I’m googling “Trump rule 34” but can’t find anything related to his trial. Can you link some relevant article?
Turn off SafeSearch. SafeSearch is a tool by the WOKE corporations to stop the SNOWFLAKES from seeing REAL news, learning the TRUTH and freaking out so that they DETRANSITION their GENDER
MY EYES! MY EYYYYEEEESSSS! You son of a bitch!
The goggles, they do nothing!
You know the episode of Futurama where he finds his old multi-leaf lucky clover and we are taken down this heart-wrenching journey?
I hope you forget which episode that is and accidentally watch it one day.
It’s a 7 leaf clover and the really heart wrenching episode is Jurassic Bark.
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If politics have you feeling sour you can join the Lemonparty!!!
Now watch the Republican Party of “Law and Order”nominate a convicted felon to be the next president
You have to understand that this isn’t ironic to them. To them, this was not a legitimate trial and trumped up charges, if you’ll pardon the pun.
The guy behind me that watches fox news all day because “he needs something to help him focus” immediately started spouting fox talking points as soon as the verdict was read. My younger coworkers were like, “no way, that’s crazy” to all his bs. I just had to say, “no that’s not true. I read the jury instructions and they don’t say that.” He moved onto insisting there was no evidence and Cohen perjured himself and at that point I was already on my way out the door.
He’s Gen x, a landlord, new York exile, classic gabagool. Ugh.
Gen Xer here that does not share your co-worker’s moronic view. Lock him up!
Gen X here too, Lock him up!
I think most of GenX were just crushed by the boomers, you just have to listen to GenX music to see how fatalistic and powerless they were. When Millenials came around, they started to have enough distance to the boomers to do their own thing. And i really have the highest of hopes for GenZ and beyond.
Gen X came right after the Baby Boomers, just as Millennials didn’t run society for Zoomers, neither did Boomers run it for X’ers.
So no, you weren’t overshadowed and made helpless by them, many of you outright relate with them just the same as I would a Zoomer.
Gen X was the last generation to get a chance at the dream life of a family, a house, and a career. They’re institutionalised.
Please don’t try to tell me about my life. You couldn’t be more wrong.
You’re right, 30 year old boomers were ruining your life at the time, not the 70 year old politicians etc.
I’ll tell you about my life, every Gen X I’ve ever met is closer to a Boomer than a Millenial in their mindset. Even the lefter ones who went and volunteered in some developing country and did all pretend make the world better shit.
Boomer here raising a toast to the jurors!
Hey, aside from the moral question practically we can’t afford to lock up every moron.
I’m sure there is a broom closet at Rikers he could fit in
I’d complain to HR that that guy is making the workplace hostile, if not outright tell him to shut the fuck up, but I get that that’s not a safe option at a lot of workplaces
Wrong. Talk to him every day. Hang out on some weekends, and become friends. Plant subtle notions of egalitarianism through your friendship and generosity. Ask him thought questions about his beliefs, but not in an accusatory manner. Teach him to actually think for himself, to keep an open mind, to seek evidence rather than faith to form convictions. Slowly show him by example what it means to be a good person who cares for their fellow human beings.
Then you plant some drugs on him while at work, and call HR with your suspicions.
You really had me there for a minute!
He’s a job hopper and I don’t expect him to be there more than a year or so longer. He mostly keeps his dumb shit to himself but I guess if you’re gonna spout off then the day your orange turd gets convicted of felonies is a logical one.
Last week I had to remind my parents that FBI agents are cops and pretty much always are authorized to use deadly force…
I asked my right wing mother if she had heard the news. She asked me if I thought the gop was finally going to pick another candidate. I like my mother.
That’s because his supporters worship him as a new messiah and cannot conceive of him having actually committed a crime. Or they don’t care if he did or not.
They don’t care if he did. I’d argue most of his supporters in the party (Mike Johnson for example) know that he is a horrible person but will support him because he has energized a dormant portion of the voting population that can help them to gain and hold power. Trump himself isn’t even that bad, he’s a useful idiot who gives immense power to far right organizations like the heritage foundation.
They view him as an imperfect tool of the lord
That is a chill-inducing phrase.
AKA false prophet
He’s a tool alright
dormant portion of the voting population
The South shall rise again against the War of Northern aggression!!!
Can we use fire again to put down the rebellion, pretty please?
Yeah. If the messiah did it then it must be ok so it’s the court that’s wrong.
Maybe the phrase “trumped up charges” will have new meaning after today
All the other kids with the trumped up charges better run better run faster than my verdicts
It’s like when you’re guilty of 34 felonies but still pretend you’re innocent to scam idiots
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You could say his lawyers really trumped the case.
I’m hoping the “playing the trump card” will morph into meaning you’re a lying, cheating piece of trash that should be taken outside and tarred and feathered.
“playing the trump card”
Yet another thing the big orange loser has ruined.
How did this saying even come about in the first place? Is it because of something Trump did a long time ago or is it some non-Trump related reason?
It comes from the word “triumph”, which means victory. That word itself comes from Latin “triumphus” and the Roman celebration thrown for a victorious military leader.
It was shortened to “trump” while being used in card games, usually to indicate one suit having precedence over another. Then eventually it worked its way back into general language with the same meaning as “triumph”.
Edit: that’s in the context of “trump” the verb that indicates victory. For “trumped up charges”, it might come from an old English verb, “trumpen”, which means to deceive or cheat, or “trumpery”, which is pretty much a noun version of “trumpen” in meaning, though apparently it comes from a French word, “tromper”, which means to deceive (and could also be the root of “trumpen”).
Huh, I thought it came from music, because we’re always telling the trumpet players to blow it out their ass. Love those dudes.
There are card games such as Forty-Fives where a particular suit is classified as the “trumps” and cards of that suit are worth more than other cards.
‘trump’ is a term used in card games. it’s a card (usually an entire suit) that ranks higher than the rest in that game (or in some games… just an individual hand of a game).
You could also use it in many gaming contexts.
Yes, Pokemon A is faster than Pokemon B, but A is paralyzed, so B trumps the speed stat difference and goes first.
Yes, you used your ultimate combo in blah blah fighting game, but it connected while my character was in an i-frame (invincibility frame), so that trumps it.
Its basically any time something either totally negates, or overpowers some other effect or attack or system.
Its often associated with a last ditch saving move reserved until its needed, but it does not have to be.
Trumped up charges, meaning lots and lots of verifiable and provable charges.
To his supporters there isn’t a legitimate trial.
Right, there can’t be a legitimate trial because everything is “politicized” and “a witch hunt”.
Weird how they can’t get DAs to bring charges against Hillary or Hunter though.
I think you’re right, none of this matters to them.They have their judges in place and everything is set up for Jan 6 II, Coup Boogaloo (but this time it will be ‘legal’).
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Getting out the vote for Brandon is our best hope.
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And that crusade is utterly futile if Brandon wins the swing states. The traitor cunts will riot either way, what matters is whether there is any traction beyond the their inbred degenerate base.
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Heh, pardon.
pardon
heh
Don’t forget their party of “family values” and “religious morals” candidate who slept with a porn star while his wife was recovering from giving birth to their child
*third wife
And by having sex with a pornstar he was cheating on the playboy model he was cheating on his wife with.
And he raw dogged.
They were locker room felonies.
You know, on balance though, I think I’m glad that being a convicted felon doesn’t preclude one from being elected president. I’ve gone back and forth on it a lot, but I think it is for the best.
Absolutely it is, see Nelson Mandela for instance
Can you elaborate? My knee-jerk reaction is to be against it, but I haven’t thought about it a whole lot and I’d be interested to know why you have decided on the opposite.
In this case it seems easy to be against it because a widely unpopular candidate is the one being prosecuted.
However, allowing felons to run for office precludes the ability for the government to silence political dissidents by making up laws/falsifying evidence that they can be imprisoned for.
The risk of a Trump presidency is still on the table, but the US can avoid situations like what happened to Navalny in Russia as well.
In the 1920 election, Eugene Debs campaigned as the socialist nominee for president from prison, having been imprisoned for advocating draft dodging. That is the sort of candidate I would still support, even from behind bars.
It means if there was an actual politically motivated prosecution, that wouldn’t stop someone from winning. ie. If Trump had managed to make some fake charge against Biden stick in 2020, if the people still wanted Biden to be president, he could be.
I think it’s a powerful statement that - despite all the structural checks & balances and systems of appeal - we consider political charges and kangaroo courts a realistic possibility. It’s not just Alito’s flags - this is a long simmering loss of faith.
Having been a plaintiff in a civil case, with thankfully only money on the line, it was a real eye opener for me of how little the jurors actually get to see, and how much power a single judge has (read: a LOT). It really made me reflect on how absolutely awful and terrifying it must be to have your freedom on the line, and to witness something like I did that felt horrifyingly unfair, and know you could go to jail for it. And I know it happens, a lot, and disproportionately to black and brown folk no less.
I wonder if that is part of it. As the country has gotten less white, we hear (or maybe care) more about bias-induced injustice, and it’s harder for the declining majority to be complacent when “blame the Black guy” gets a court to give you what you want. Local, elected judges have always been a partisan nightmare, but I feel like it’s really the last 10 years, since they eliminated the filibuster for federal judges, and especially since 2017 for SCOTUS, that national courts have lost credibility.
if there was an actual politically motivated prosecution
Which is, of course, the unsubstantiated claim that Trump has been making.
Despite this entire trial not being under the jurisdiction or control of his political rival.
Let us know how you get from “politically motivated prosecution” to 12 jurors (some of which are Trump supporters) finding guilt. Convicted felons by jury trial should not be public servants and most state Constitutions clearly state that (Florida for example).
Just because you’re a felon doesn’t mean you’re not a citizen and part of the country. As such, you should be able to partake in democracy in all possible ways as well.
I really dislike this punitive mindset of completely ruining someone’s life for being convicted of a crime. People make mistakes, but we don’t want to exclude them from society, we want to reform them and bring them back in. So yeah, I think, even excluding all this political bs, that no person should have their right to vote or run taken from them.
Oh yeah, I agree with you. I certainly think felons should have a vote. Hadn’t really occurred to me to include running for office in the same category.
When the GOP sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are convicted felons.
That’s just not true
The GOP is sending their best
chef’s kiss
perfect
I get the sense that you’ve had this one in the chamber for a while
No need to load the chamber, they’ll do it for you
Couldn’t that be said of Biden? I’m not trying to make this partisan but only trying to posit a hypothesis. Democratic processes do not select qualified people.
Wait, Biden is a convicted felon? No? Well there’s your answer. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
It’s not meant to be taken literally. It’s just a modification of the quote Trump said about illegal aliens crossing the border.
When was Biden convicted of 34 felonies?
The GOP tried real hard to find Biden guilty of literally anything. But when there no evidence whatsoever and the news keeps finding out that the “evidence” you’ve cooked up is actually just made up bullshit, it’s becomes quite hard to accomplish.
Question begger… Amazing.
They coordinated to kneecap Bernie, so clearly the case.
People downvote you, but this is how we got Trump in the first place.
To find out what rules he broke for each guilty verdict, search “trump rule 34”
Anyone expecting much more than a small fine that he won’t pay anyway, followed by him pardoning himself in January?
Holy crap… Did you guys read the bottom bit about Georgia voters?
"Another man Bob, playing with his bluegrass band outside a café, was more sure. He wanted a positive outcome for Donald Trump and said a conviction would not change his mind. What would?
“If he was convicted of murder, I’d be like that’s not a guy I want to go for!” "
Not surprised, tbh, but I still find it ridiculous to read.
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“He exercised his 2nd Amendment rights! It was a setup to make him look bad! They deliberately sent someone to get killed so they could charge him!”
Not even murder would stop them from making shit up and voting for him anyway.
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“Ok, he ended up killing a conservative Republican who disagreed with him”…
Bob: well hell that guy done deserved it!
“Actually we were wrong, he agreed with Trump 100%”
Bob: Q said he was secretly a liberal!
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People like Bob give bluegrass music a bad name
he’s lying. he would still vote for him if he literally murdered his family. this is a cult. they’ll always find some excuse.
Not if he murdered Bob’s family. Conservatives start caring once it actually affects them personally (they have a gay child and suddenly support gay rights). If he murdered Bob’s neighbors though Bob would still vote for him.
I’d love to give them that much credit but even that’s unreliable. Lots of them disown their gay children, or worse. wouldn’t be surprised if some of them would murder their own family if he suggested it. well some kinda already did with his COVID policies
We could consider the overseas operatives he’s likely gotten killed.
Oh, his blabber mouth has definitely gotten operatives killed. They were LIBERAL CIA RATS, though, so Bob here wouldn’t give a shit anyway
And if he was convicted of murder? Hell she probably deserved it!
Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene blasted the “SHAM trial” on X. “You don’t see this level of corruption in a banana republic”, she wrote, directing people to a Trump fundraiser.
I don’t know I’ve seen such a direct example of, " I’m saying this so that you will give us money", as this in a while.
Why are people so happy to be part of a scam? What do they expect their money will do? Is it a metric republicans use to compare to each other? 🤷
I don’t get it, like, I get why people support him, they live in a weird media bubble, but that same media bubble insists he’s a fantastically successful businessman, why donate to a billionaire even if you do support his cause?
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Ehh, populism isn’t limited to politics, at least not tactics-wise. Lots of televangelists and the like use the same sort of tactics - boil down everything wrong in your life to a single, easily-solvable datapoint that YOU can take action on.
At the same time, I think it’s important to recognize that not all Trump voters are “stupid” or “ignorant”. While those exist, cults can - and HAVE - suckered in people with high-paying jobs, with degrees and education and accolades. Trump’s cult of personality is no different - a LOT of Trump voters aren’t stupid or ignorant or anything, they might vote for him for dozens of reasons, from “well I’m a shitty racist as well” to “well he wears the trappings of success” to “he sounds confident”, and it’s important to recognize that anyone can fall victim to a cult like that through the sheer momentum of peer pressure. Jonestown was full of people who were desperately seeking a better world, and a lot of them were fairly well-educated engineers and doctors and lawyers and the like. Aum Shinrikyo was FULL of PhDs and MDs. Trump has lost a lot of the more well-informed and well-educated people in his camp, but characterizing his entire voter base as “dumb hicks waiting to be conned” is unhelpful at best and harmful at worst.
They live in a paradoxical mindset. He’s a fantastically successful businessman who also was attacked and lost revenue because Democrats are somehow boycotting his brands or smearing him. So therefore you have to save him or the Democrats will oppress you next and ban your religion.
Like many cults it only works if you are in their bubble.
How do you even boycott him? Like nobody I know has ever bought anything Trump sells not because they’re boycotting him but just because what does he even sell?
To be unhappy in a scam you have to first recognize that a scam is taking place. Before that, you’re just unhappy and trying to find a reason or justification for it. The most likely people to be scammed? The less educated and the desperate.
“You don’t see this level of corruption in a banana republic”
Sure you do. That’s why he’s on trial. Big orange banana.
Small orange mushroom, people are saying.
So you are saying he’s on trial because us is corrupted? So you are supporting this piece of shit?
If she knew what “banana republic” meant, she’d know how stupid she sounds.
She’s basically a parrot that got voted into Congress.
Count #1: Guilty
Count #2: Guilty
Count #3: Guilty
Count #4: Guilty
Count #5: Guilty
Count #6: Guilty
Count #7: Guilty
Count #8: Guilty
Count #9: Guilty
Count #10: Guilty
Count #11: Guilty
Count #12: Guilty
Count #13: Guilty
Count #14: Guilty
Count #15: Guilty
Count #16: Guilty
I FELL TO MY KNEES IN THE BASS PRO SHOP PARKING LOT!
This is only going to be considered by the swing voters come the election.
Die hard Trumpers will double down. Die hard Republicans would never vote for a Democrat, so better a felon than a Liberal. Die hard Democrats would never have voted for him anyway.
People who flip between the two parties now have another thing to consider when casting their votes, and only their internal compass will direct them to Trump or Biden
An earlier article said the Trump team was hoping for a hung jury.
Guilty all 34 counts.
Certainly was a hung jury. Hung like a horse!
Holy crap I watched this movie when I was a kid and never got the joke. I really lived under a rock back then.
"The sheriff is a bong!"
“The what?”
“He says the sheriff is near.”
De white wimmen lookin’ for HIM!
What movie is that?
Blazing saddles.
Thanks, getting it
They were hoping for a hung jury so that Trump could turn to his sea of morons and once again claim “tOtAl ExOnErAtioN!!!”. Now they are forced to play the “witch hunt cuz judge doesn’t like me and his daughter is making money off this for democrats, and also it’s a biden witchhunt”. It sucks to play that card and they really didn’t want to have to lean on that alone.
Wake me up when this piece of shit is dead or in prison.
Can’t do the time, don’t do the crime. Get fucked you piece of shit
I have doubts he will do any time.
I can dream. I guess there’s some consolation to his mind slowly becoming his prison. If anyone deserves dementia, it’s this traitor
Asshole kept comparing himself to Capone…
Let’s give him what he wants!
Sentence his ass to 11 years & a roaring case of neurosyphilis.
I kinda think he may already have neurosyphilis. Didn’t he have weird sores on his hands? Whatever it is, there’s definitely something wrong with that pile of turds and KFC bones he calls a brain.
There has been something wrong with his brain for years. But yeah, I think it may be getting worse. I hope he is suffering and miserable.
Double the neurosyphilis! Or maybe just double syphilis & give him a different kind of syphilis too.
Each count has a maximum of 1 - 4 years of prison apparently. Usually that is served concurrently, but he is technically a first time felon so I doubt he is going to do any time at all.
The judge has all the leeway in this case. Since these crimes were committed to influence an election and undermine democracy, the judge can make him go to prison for the 4 years.
Another factor in sentencing is remorse - Trump has never said he’s genuinely sorry for anything. If the judge isn’t convinced that this is a one time thing (which is tough since it’s 34 charges involving multiple events with multiple accomplices), prison is more likely.
Absolutely fair. I am just shitting out what other pundits have said. We really won’t know what happens until July 11th.
With the logistics of imprisoning a past president, and the “kid gloves” the justice system has been using on trump, I see 1 year of house arrest as the most likely outcome, plus some fines.
That’s after the next 8 years of appeals…
What about the neurosyphilis? Can we still give him neurosyphilis?
Have to have the “neuro” part, first.
Does neurosyphilis become regular syphilis if there’s no neuro to syphil? Cause I’d be alright with that!
Something tells me the latter has already occurred.
Those spirochetes are leaving hole like a cork screw in his brain.
It’s… 4 years maximum.
4 years maximum.
Which is not typically given to people convicted of this sort of crime, especially on their first conviction.
I happened to be in my mother’s house when she called me to look at it live and there was zero mention on CNN of whether or not he would serve time over it. Sentencing in July.
Anyone know likelihood of jail time?
Cohen got jail time for this crime.
This needs to be brought up every damned time this subject comes up. Cohen served time for the exact same crime - so what argument is there that Trump shouldn’t?
so what argument is there that Trump shouldn’t?
The American justice system has been successfully boiled down to a pay to play system and it’s unfair to not let other rich people go for more serious crimes, but not Trump .
I mean I don’t think they would be honest enough to run with that, but it’s the only argument I can think of that would be based on an unfortunate truth.
Everyone consciously or subconsciously knows the justice system works differently for different classes. The only reason anyone who leans right actually believes it could be a “witch hunt” is because no one has an iota of faith in the justice system. Sending a “billionaire” to jail is so rare that the possibility of it happening seems suspicious.
Cohen didn’t need a secret service detail.
The Guardian are reporting it is unlikely he will see jail time
Edit: it’s not a disagree button, it’s being widely reported he is unlikely to see jail time. that doesn’t mean i think he shouldn’t see jail time
Everyone is reporting he won’t see jail time, which in my view is giving the court a pass on giving him a light sentence.
In my opinion, Trump gained so much, and could gain so much from a repeat offense, that jail is the only compelling punishment for him. He is unrepentant, and would do it again in a heartbeat.
You are correct, but nevertheless, a court so cowardly they cannot hold him accountable for blatant violations of court orders will not jail him either.
It takes a lot of balls to send a former and possibly future president to prison. Way more balls than sending his lackay.
Paraphrasing, “We choose to send Trump to prison, not because it is easy, but because it is hard.”
I choose to send Trump to prison, not because I’m easy, but because I’m hard.
He did not. Cohen pleaded guilty to 5 counts of tax evasion (class B felony), one count of making false statements to a federally insured bank (class C felony), one count of causing an unlawful corporate contribution (class D felony) , one count of making an excessive campaign contribution (class D felony).
Trump was convicted of 34 counts of falsifying business records (class E felony).
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His felonies are nonviolent, so no, they’re not equivalent. While I’d love see him in prison, it’s far more likely that he’d serve time for conviction in his other trials than this one. I hope I’m wrong.
100%, how is this not more significant when people guess whether or not Trump will serve time? Cohen got jail time for this, and he turned himself in, and cooperated.
Trump did nothing redeeming, and he was the guy giving the orders, how is it even conceivable that Trump should be punished less?
Cohen doesn’t have a cult of dimwits willing to betray every value they claim to have in order to vote for him, tho.
And a stacked supreme court in his favor
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If one is being objective and not paying attention to his former job or publicity, he’s a first time offender convicted of non-violent offenses with a business footprint that makes him low risk for probation violation.
He would also place a burden on the penal system if incarcerated, and his current state of having round the clock law enforcement presence further lowers the likelihood that he goes to prison.On the flip side, he has done a lot to actively antagonize the person who will be mostly in charge of his fate, and he’s got a good month to build a body of evidence that says he’ll immediately disrespect probation.
So almost certainly not, but it’s not as close to zero as you would expect for a former president.
What about the risk of recidivism though?
Pretty clear that he will do exactly the same thing again.
That’s fair. Being openly remorseless does tend to encourage the judge to give the full extent of what they’re allowed to do.
I’m just cynical about anyone wanting to be the first person to sentence a former president to prison, and maybe finding any possible reasonable way to skirt over that for whatever reason or just “the good of the country”, justice or not.
Or not, and they’ll just seize the opportunity to show that justice is blind.
We’ll find out in July. 😊
Cohen got prison time for the same exact crime, also a first offense. To my mind, being a former president should make them hold to to a higher standard, not a lesser one.
Cohen was convicted of tax evasion, bank fraud, and campaign finance crimes. Trump was not charged with any of these. So not the same crimes.
I don’t recall hearing a lot of evidence that Trump conspired with Cohen to evade Cohen’s income taxes, or to lie to Cohen’s bank.
I don’t think Trump is capable of making illegal campaign contributions to his own campaign. There are no limits on self funding an election campaign in this country.
I believe they meant “crime” as in “the criminal act of paying hush money and hiding it to illegally influence an election”, not the specific criminal charges.
Trump was convicted of campaign finance crimes, from the same incident though.
Negative. Trump was convicted of general business record crimes. Now these business record crimes are predicted in some other underlying crimes (including the campaign finance ones) that were not charged in the New York court. Trump was not charged with those underlying crimes, and he was not proven to be guilty of them. He was shown to be guilty in the business records case that sits on top.
Finally, I want to restate that Trump cannot ever be guilty of the same campaign violation that Cohen was convicted of, for a simple reason: like any American he is allowed to make unlimited contributions to his own campaign.
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Prisons, on paper, have a responsibility to ensure a degree of prisoner safety. The level of effort required to give a former president that safety is beyond what even a white collar criminal oriented prison is going to be able to easily provide without disruption. For example, who would be preparing his food? How many guards would have access to him while he slept?
It’s possible to do, but it’s the sort of thing that could factor into the decision.
My understanding is that we will see an appeal before sentencing on July 11th. If that is not successful, then he will get anything from a slap on the wrist to jail time. Sentencing is likely going to hinge on if he remains the lead Republican candidate. Jail time is going to have a lot of custom rules and exeptions that we are unprepared for; primarily secret secret protection.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-jury-deliberations-watch-1.7218775 conviction section
I mean, SS protection should be pretty easy if he’s locked in an 8x10 cell.
Slim chance. It’s his first offence (first conviction anyway) and a non violent crime. Can’t see the judge jailing him, especially given the logistics involved with the Secret Service having to protect him.
Maybe convicted ex presidents shouldn’t get secret service protection
I get what you’re saying, but I think without that protection it’s pretty likely he’d be killed in prison.
It’s not like they’re going to put him with the general population. And USSS agents don’t sign up to be in prison.
IIRC, probably the Secret Service will enter a memorandum of understanding with the New York Department of Corrections, and negotiate who and what goes where. Probably means Trump will get a wing of Rikers to himself.
Don’t worry, I have full confidence in the Secret Service’s ability to keep Trump perfectly safe while he’s making license plates!
I’m not seeing the downside.
True, but he wasn’t sentenced to death. We owe all prisoners the same protections.
So you support leaking the country’s biggest secrets just because he did bad thing?
He leaked the country’s biggest secrets when he gave classified documents to foreign adversaries. Stop trying to pretend that’s what you’re actually worried about. You’re always defending Trump. You’re just worried about his well being, not our country.
Cohen served time for this exact same crime in the exact same state. I think he was sentenced to 3 years and did 1.5 due to covid early release. That was also his first felony.
It’s fully possible he gets jail time.
Stop saying Cohen got convicted for the exact same crime! It’s misinformation. They both got a completely different set of counts.
I need this. I didn’t know how much I needed this until now.
No you don’t. It literally does not affect you.
this actually affects the entire world. We all have our knockoff trumps, and this needs to show them and our countries that there will be consequences for them.
At least, there’s the likelyhood of it. Bolsonaro didn’t get prison time, but at least he got barred from politics and his passport revoked. Hopefully similar things happen to Fidesz & Orban, Milei and various others.
Women in Texas have literally seen their rights to their own body stripped away by state level politicians supported by the 5th circuit and further bolstered by SCOTUS.
It quite literally does, affect me.
Npr reporter said that each count has a maximum of 1 - 4 years in jail but usually served concurrently and the judge apparently already made a comment about jail time is not a guarantee or something. I am betting another useless fine and maybe some probation.
Don’t underestimate the effect of “maybe some probation”. Having to check in with some probation officer on a regular basis (and probably pee in a cup each time, I’m not sure whether NY mandates that) will be super humiliating for him. Plus, I bet that the period on probation will be much longer than any prison sentence, and will extend through the election.
Plus, in the event he still wins, I doubt NYC really cares. They will keep making him pee in that cup until his probation is over.
Imagine the Biden campaign constantly trying to get interviews with “the Republican candidate’s probation officer”.
I’d bet against your claim. He’s remorseless and antagonizing the judge with so many comments and contempt charges. I’m expecting a Martha Stewart sentence of 5 months (sort of low end of range of jail sentences, so the judge can show he’s being fair), maybe suspended until appeals.
He won’t, rules for me and you, not for the ruling class.
I imagine that if the judge puts him in jail, preventing him from being elected as president, there’s going to be a lot of shtf. And by a lot, I mean across the entire country.
Sentence him to two months to be served from November 15 to January 15.
Maybe not, but it still sets a nice precedent that there is no magical spall-trap that will be spring if we convict a former president of crimes.
Now it just needs to be done for something he did in office.
Some other Lemmy commenter suggested community service instead of jail time.
There’s something very appealing about the prospect of Trump, in a high-vis vest, picking up trash along the side of the freeway.Yes, the sentencing ranges from probation to 4 years in prison. Given this is his first conviction and he’s a former president, I assume probation will be given. Though, he’s still under a gag order afaik…so if he violates that or probation somehow, maybe brief house arrest?
I definitely want pictures of him picking up trash with the secret service hanging around, at the very least
He’s already violated the gag order like 15 times and nothing’s happened.
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Is that 4 years per count or what?
Yes, each count is an individual felony.
But iirc sentencing is concurrent, not consecutive.
No. Up to 4 years TOTAL. What a joke
Says he’ll likely just pay a fine. “Can afford the fine, can do the crime” is more like it.
|Get fucked!
Rule of 34 charges.
