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    I’m googling “Trump rule 34” but can’t find anything related to his trial. Can you link some relevant article?

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    Now watch the Republican Party of “Law and Order”nominate a convicted felon to be the next president

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      You have to understand that this isn’t ironic to them. To them, this was not a legitimate trial and trumped up charges, if you’ll pardon the pun.

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        The guy behind me that watches fox news all day because “he needs something to help him focus” immediately started spouting fox talking points as soon as the verdict was read. My younger coworkers were like, “no way, that’s crazy” to all his bs. I just had to say, “no that’s not true. I read the jury instructions and they don’t say that.” He moved onto insisting there was no evidence and Cohen perjured himself and at that point I was already on my way out the door.

        He’s Gen x, a landlord, new York exile, classic gabagool. Ugh.

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            Gen X here too, Lock him up!

            I think most of GenX were just crushed by the boomers, you just have to listen to GenX music to see how fatalistic and powerless they were. When Millenials came around, they started to have enough distance to the boomers to do their own thing. And i really have the highest of hopes for GenZ and beyond.

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              Gen X came right after the Baby Boomers, just as Millennials didn’t run society for Zoomers, neither did Boomers run it for X’ers.

              So no, you weren’t overshadowed and made helpless by them, many of you outright relate with them just the same as I would a Zoomer.

              Gen X was the last generation to get a chance at the dream life of a family, a house, and a career. They’re institutionalised.

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                  You’re right, 30 year old boomers were ruining your life at the time, not the 70 year old politicians etc.

                  I’ll tell you about my life, every Gen X I’ve ever met is closer to a Boomer than a Millenial in their mindset. Even the lefter ones who went and volunteered in some developing country and did all pretend make the world better shit.

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          I’d complain to HR that that guy is making the workplace hostile, if not outright tell him to shut the fuck up, but I get that that’s not a safe option at a lot of workplaces

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            Wrong. Talk to him every day. Hang out on some weekends, and become friends. Plant subtle notions of egalitarianism through your friendship and generosity. Ask him thought questions about his beliefs, but not in an accusatory manner. Teach him to actually think for himself, to keep an open mind, to seek evidence rather than faith to form convictions. Slowly show him by example what it means to be a good person who cares for their fellow human beings.

            Then you plant some drugs on him while at work, and call HR with your suspicions.

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            He’s a job hopper and I don’t expect him to be there more than a year or so longer. He mostly keeps his dumb shit to himself but I guess if you’re gonna spout off then the day your orange turd gets convicted of felonies is a logical one.

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          Last week I had to remind my parents that FBI agents are cops and pretty much always are authorized to use deadly force…

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            I asked my right wing mother if she had heard the news. She asked me if I thought the gop was finally going to pick another candidate. I like my mother.

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        That’s because his supporters worship him as a new messiah and cannot conceive of him having actually committed a crime. Or they don’t care if he did or not.

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        Maybe the phrase “trumped up charges” will have new meaning after today

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          I’m hoping the “playing the trump card” will morph into meaning you’re a lying, cheating piece of trash that should be taken outside and tarred and feathered.

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            “playing the trump card”

            Yet another thing the big orange loser has ruined.

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            How did this saying even come about in the first place? Is it because of something Trump did a long time ago or is it some non-Trump related reason?

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              It comes from the word “triumph”, which means victory. That word itself comes from Latin “triumphus” and the Roman celebration thrown for a victorious military leader.

              It was shortened to “trump” while being used in card games, usually to indicate one suit having precedence over another. Then eventually it worked its way back into general language with the same meaning as “triumph”.

              Edit: that’s in the context of “trump” the verb that indicates victory. For “trumped up charges”, it might come from an old English verb, “trumpen”, which means to deceive or cheat, or “trumpery”, which is pretty much a noun version of “trumpen” in meaning, though apparently it comes from a French word, “tromper”, which means to deceive (and could also be the root of “trumpen”).

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                Huh, I thought it came from music, because we’re always telling the trumpet players to blow it out their ass. Love those dudes.

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                You could also use it in many gaming contexts.

                Yes, Pokemon A is faster than Pokemon B, but A is paralyzed, so B trumps the speed stat difference and goes first.

                Yes, you used your ultimate combo in blah blah fighting game, but it connected while my character was in an i-frame (invincibility frame), so that trumps it.

                Its basically any time something either totally negates, or overpowers some other effect or attack or system.

                Its often associated with a last ditch saving move reserved until its needed, but it does not have to be.

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          Right, there can’t be a legitimate trial because everything is “politicized” and “a witch hunt”.

          Weird how they can’t get DAs to bring charges against Hillary or Hunter though.

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        I think you’re right, none of this matters to them.They have their judges in place and everything is set up for Jan 6 II, Coup Boogaloo (but this time it will be ‘legal’).

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      Don’t forget their party of “family values” and “religious morals” candidate who slept with a porn star while his wife was recovering from giving birth to their child

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      You know, on balance though, I think I’m glad that being a convicted felon doesn’t preclude one from being elected president. I’ve gone back and forth on it a lot, but I think it is for the best.

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        Can you elaborate? My knee-jerk reaction is to be against it, but I haven’t thought about it a whole lot and I’d be interested to know why you have decided on the opposite.

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          In this case it seems easy to be against it because a widely unpopular candidate is the one being prosecuted.

          However, allowing felons to run for office precludes the ability for the government to silence political dissidents by making up laws/falsifying evidence that they can be imprisoned for.

          The risk of a Trump presidency is still on the table, but the US can avoid situations like what happened to Navalny in Russia as well.

          In the 1920 election, Eugene Debs campaigned as the socialist nominee for president from prison, having been imprisoned for advocating draft dodging. That is the sort of candidate I would still support, even from behind bars.

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          It means if there was an actual politically motivated prosecution, that wouldn’t stop someone from winning. ie. If Trump had managed to make some fake charge against Biden stick in 2020, if the people still wanted Biden to be president, he could be.

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            I think it’s a powerful statement that - despite all the structural checks & balances and systems of appeal - we consider political charges and kangaroo courts a realistic possibility. It’s not just Alito’s flags - this is a long simmering loss of faith.

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              Having been a plaintiff in a civil case, with thankfully only money on the line, it was a real eye opener for me of how little the jurors actually get to see, and how much power a single judge has (read: a LOT). It really made me reflect on how absolutely awful and terrifying it must be to have your freedom on the line, and to witness something like I did that felt horrifyingly unfair, and know you could go to jail for it. And I know it happens, a lot, and disproportionately to black and brown folk no less.

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                I wonder if that is part of it. As the country has gotten less white, we hear (or maybe care) more about bias-induced injustice, and it’s harder for the declining majority to be complacent when “blame the Black guy” gets a court to give you what you want. Local, elected judges have always been a partisan nightmare, but I feel like it’s really the last 10 years, since they eliminated the filibuster for federal judges, and especially since 2017 for SCOTUS, that national courts have lost credibility.

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            if there was an actual politically motivated prosecution

            Which is, of course, the unsubstantiated claim that Trump has been making.

            Despite this entire trial not being under the jurisdiction or control of his political rival.

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            Let us know how you get from “politically motivated prosecution” to 12 jurors (some of which are Trump supporters) finding guilt. Convicted felons by jury trial should not be public servants and most state Constitutions clearly state that (Florida for example).

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          Just because you’re a felon doesn’t mean you’re not a citizen and part of the country. As such, you should be able to partake in democracy in all possible ways as well.

          I really dislike this punitive mindset of completely ruining someone’s life for being convicted of a crime. People make mistakes, but we don’t want to exclude them from society, we want to reform them and bring them back in. So yeah, I think, even excluding all this political bs, that no person should have their right to vote or run taken from them.

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            Oh yeah, I agree with you. I certainly think felons should have a vote. Hadn’t really occurred to me to include running for office in the same category.

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    When the GOP sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are convicted felons.

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    To find out what rules he broke for each guilty verdict, search “trump rule 34”

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    Anyone expecting much more than a small fine that he won’t pay anyway, followed by him pardoning himself in January?

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    Holy crap… Did you guys read the bottom bit about Georgia voters?

    "Another man Bob, playing with his bluegrass band outside a café, was more sure. He wanted a positive outcome for Donald Trump and said a conviction would not change his mind. What would?

    “If he was convicted of murder, I’d be like that’s not a guy I want to go for!” "

    Not surprised, tbh, but I still find it ridiculous to read.

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        “He exercised his 2nd Amendment rights! It was a setup to make him look bad! They deliberately sent someone to get killed so they could charge him!”

        Not even murder would stop them from making shit up and voting for him anyway.

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      he’s lying. he would still vote for him if he literally murdered his family. this is a cult. they’ll always find some excuse.

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        Not if he murdered Bob’s family. Conservatives start caring once it actually affects them personally (they have a gay child and suddenly support gay rights). If he murdered Bob’s neighbors though Bob would still vote for him.

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          I’d love to give them that much credit but even that’s unreliable. Lots of them disown their gay children, or worse. wouldn’t be surprised if some of them would murder their own family if he suggested it. well some kinda already did with his COVID policies

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        Oh, his blabber mouth has definitely gotten operatives killed. They were LIBERAL CIA RATS, though, so Bob here wouldn’t give a shit anyway

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    Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene blasted the “SHAM trial” on X. “You don’t see this level of corruption in a banana republic”, she wrote, directing people to a Trump fundraiser.

    I don’t know I’ve seen such a direct example of, " I’m saying this so that you will give us money", as this in a while.

    Why are people so happy to be part of a scam? What do they expect their money will do? Is it a metric republicans use to compare to each other? 🤷

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      I don’t get it, like, I get why people support him, they live in a weird media bubble, but that same media bubble insists he’s a fantastically successful businessman, why donate to a billionaire even if you do support his cause?

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          Ehh, populism isn’t limited to politics, at least not tactics-wise. Lots of televangelists and the like use the same sort of tactics - boil down everything wrong in your life to a single, easily-solvable datapoint that YOU can take action on.

          At the same time, I think it’s important to recognize that not all Trump voters are “stupid” or “ignorant”. While those exist, cults can - and HAVE - suckered in people with high-paying jobs, with degrees and education and accolades. Trump’s cult of personality is no different - a LOT of Trump voters aren’t stupid or ignorant or anything, they might vote for him for dozens of reasons, from “well I’m a shitty racist as well” to “well he wears the trappings of success” to “he sounds confident”, and it’s important to recognize that anyone can fall victim to a cult like that through the sheer momentum of peer pressure. Jonestown was full of people who were desperately seeking a better world, and a lot of them were fairly well-educated engineers and doctors and lawyers and the like. Aum Shinrikyo was FULL of PhDs and MDs. Trump has lost a lot of the more well-informed and well-educated people in his camp, but characterizing his entire voter base as “dumb hicks waiting to be conned” is unhelpful at best and harmful at worst.

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        They live in a paradoxical mindset. He’s a fantastically successful businessman who also was attacked and lost revenue because Democrats are somehow boycotting his brands or smearing him. So therefore you have to save him or the Democrats will oppress you next and ban your religion.

        Like many cults it only works if you are in their bubble.

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          How do you even boycott him? Like nobody I know has ever bought anything Trump sells not because they’re boycotting him but just because what does he even sell?

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      To be unhappy in a scam you have to first recognize that a scam is taking place. Before that, you’re just unhappy and trying to find a reason or justification for it. The most likely people to be scammed? The less educated and the desperate.

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      “You don’t see this level of corruption in a banana republic”

      Sure you do. That’s why he’s on trial. Big orange banana.

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      If she knew what “banana republic” meant, she’d know how stupid she sounds.

      She’s basically a parrot that got voted into Congress.

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    Count #1: Guilty

    Count #2: Guilty

    Count #3: Guilty

    Count #4: Guilty

    Count #5: Guilty

    Count #6: Guilty

    Count #7: Guilty

    Count #8: Guilty

    Count #9: Guilty

    Count #10: Guilty

    Count #11: Guilty

    Count #12: Guilty

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    Count #14: Guilty

    Count #15: Guilty

    Count #16: Guilty

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    This is only going to be considered by the swing voters come the election.

    Die hard Trumpers will double down. Die hard Republicans would never vote for a Democrat, so better a felon than a Liberal. Die hard Democrats would never have voted for him anyway.

    People who flip between the two parties now have another thing to consider when casting their votes, and only their internal compass will direct them to Trump or Biden

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    An earlier article said the Trump team was hoping for a hung jury.

    Guilty all 34 counts.

    Certainly was a hung jury. Hung like a horse!

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    Pfff the only thing achieved so far is speaking that he’s guilty. Of (of all things) not disclosing payment for sex. No prison, no drop from the ballot, so far nothing that’s actually useful.

    I think that the best immediate thing that will come from this will be Trump rule 34 fanart. Or, who knows, I might be mistaken already…