Adobe pulls that shit too.
And it’s really easy to not really think about what you’re doing and accidentally save to the cloud.
Then later wonder what the fuck happened to the file you spent three hours on when you came back from lunch.
Fucking Adobe.
Adobe also recently snuck into their ToS that they could use whatever you made with their products for training AI and then gaslit everyone saying “we never said that” and changed their ToS. You know where you can’t access my stuff? In a cloud.
You mean can access?
We have this shit at work, they make it incredibly hard to get a fucking attachment as a real attachment instead of a link to their cloud
Specially annoying since my organization is “geofence” but we work with people all over the world… So MS insists on switching attachments to links nobody can open outside my country
Is that like Teams where it will only ever save to one place, with the same filename regardless of what the original was named
Yes I HATE that so much!
And how if you share a file in teams and then six months later you want to share a file with the same name to ANYONE else via teams, well that’s a big no-can-do because teams just uploaded that file to your “stuff to share” folder in OneDrive and didn’t put it in a subfolder unique to the chat, or add a unique prefix or suffix or anything because hey, you’ll only ever share a file with a particular name once in your life, right?
Note they left the “…and improved” off the (New) title.
Teams(New) too, just for the shitty name.
and the shitty pixellated icon
Invoice.doc
was gonna say they stopped using that in 2007 but your comment is probably still the most accurate lmao
Huh? Outlook gives you two clear options when attaching a document. One is to attach as a copy, and one is to share it.
Yes but If you chose the fill attachment, half the time I just get the link
This is because MS will force it if they think the attachment is an odd extension or too big or whatever
That’s probably because your file is over 10MB and would be rejected by most receiving systems
I think this it not necessarily a bad thing. Worked in an office where they produce GB of CAD files. Sending it as attachment would fail for most clients because of their mailbox size, and receiving it also sucks because it would clog the local outlook inbox file, and everything would crawl to a halt when you open Outlook in the morning.
No, it only does it when it is too big. And that is very convenient rather than it trying to send your message and then giving you a failure notice. Why are you bitching about features that actively make your life easier?
There is a lot to bitch at M$ about, but this is not one of them.
It doesn’t make my life any better as those links never work.
If it works for you fine, don’t need to be offended like I insulted your girlfriend
If the links don’t work, that is a “you” problem.
Lol, you think MS is watching and will give a treat for being such a nice little follower?
Nope, I just deal with OneDrive support constantly and I can say definitively that it’s pretty decent at what it does, and if the links you are getting or sending are not working, it is your fault.
If you want to bitch about something substantive, how about bitching about how 365 has like 20 admin panels that are opaque about what they are and what they do, terrible menu layouts in those menus, etc.
That stuff is a very real problem.
Some boomer who can’t figure out how cloud drives work is not a real issue.
Yeah, it sure does sound like it would be hard to have a notification if the attachment is going to fail due to size policies, and then have an option to use the link or cancel the attachment (and have you choose another way). It would also be unheard of for there to be a setting in that dialog to say to always do whatever action you take so it only inconveniences those who go with the default once.
User-hostile software is never a “you” problem. This applies to a number of FOSS products, as well.
If that were the case, it would confuse users. It would be flooded with tickets about the weird notification that they got and didn’t read and how they can’t attach files anymore.
“Cancel the link attachment”???
Fucking press backspace! Jesus Christ, did you just get your first computer ever? I’m getting the picture that critical thinking isn’t really your forte.
You can even convert a shared link to an attachment by right clicking on it before sending (assuming you’re using Outlook web instead of the ancient garbage Outlook desktop app.)
Is there any way to get it to default to actual attachment?
Start an email. Click attach. Pick the file.
Same as it’s always worked.
Blame your company for not configuring that shit, or choosing to let MS handle it all.
Personally, no company should be using Office 365 and external mail. Bring that shit back in house.
NoKnow (wtf autoincorrect?) why bringing it in house costs more? Because it’s worth it, for the control.Tomato potato… My company uses MS because it’s the fucking industry default and it sucks
I would put more onus on them if we were talking about some niche thing they refused to give up. But MS is what everyone uses and they wouldn’t be able to ditch it altogether because MS has a monopoly
On premise exchange is fucking trash. Get out of here with that shit.
I speak from experience that no one other than professionals should be handling their own mail servers in 2024. I worked for a mail host. The amount of spam and attacks that befall a mail provider, even a small one, is bonkers. Plus, mail is just too damn important.
I wish it wasn’t the case because the idea of everyone privately hosting their own mail servers would be pretty awesome. Sadly the modern internet makes it way too risky.
Ya JWZ I think complained about this
Do you have a link?
Oh maybe conflated a post from someone else like “self hosting email just sucks, everything goes to spam, give up” with a JWZ repost of something different
Sorry to misremember, edited
Preach it
I’m also not sure where they got their idea that cloud is cheaper from. On prem has always been cheaper, I’ve had to walk through fire and flames to get my company to approve cloud hosting as we simply do not have the capacity to be our own mail host. Goodluck explaining tech debt to upper management though, it’s like they’re allergic to the idea of understanding it.
God if that isn’t the truth. We changed from Thryv to rackspace and we went from zero spam to 30 a day and this is AFTER they block a bunch. Waste of my time every day having to go through them.
remember kids when onedrive folders are set to “available on this pc” it does both
Except I don’t want it in a OneDrive folder, I want it in My Docs. Which you now have to browse for every fucking time.
Well, I don’t, because I reconfigured that shit.
I’m filing this under the new style login pages after inputting your email address:
“Do you want to log in using password, passkey, email confirmation?”
I uninstalled one drive immediately, it’s so annoying. It’s also really fucky with when it updates files. If I need to use it, I’ll go on my browser
Hank Hill made me like Ronald Reagan
Neat, just what I would expect from user @cumskin_genocide@lemm.ee
What’s wrong with my username?
Yeah what is up with that? It’s nice to know where things are but whatever happened to /usr/local
Use Cryptomator. You can then use any cloud storage provider knowing they can’t read your files.
Or just don’t use cloud storage bruh
Why not? It’s another useful area to use as a backup.
Not always an option.
We use windows at work, which is annoying as a software developer, and I WFH three days a week. I need some files available on both machines and cloud is the best option. I’m not about to be taking a flash drive between home and work.
Don’t you use git?
I use syncthing, which works great unless you need a ton of space.
We have a list of approved software we can install and that isn’t one of them.
Syncthing is a piece of crap.
it’s good for 3-2-1 backup rule though. but you can also ask a relative or a friend to let you plug a NAS to their router.
or just pgp encrypt them
What tool would you recommend for that?
kleopatra is good, just make sure to backup your private key. If you are comfortable with a cli you could use gnupg. Its man page is good.
If you are comfortable with a cli you could use gnupg. Its man page is good.
If I have cloud storage mounted somewhere I need to be able to drag and drop directories in and out, see the files inside in an unencrypted form, and they should transparently be uploaded encrypted. This could very well be achieved by a bunch of scripts involving gnupg, but then that’s what’s I’m looking for, because gnupg by itself wouldn’t be productive to use unless as a one-off.
This seems promising: https://szymonkrajewski.pl/encrypted-cloud-drive-rclone/
And I also don’t want programs to throw all their crap in the documents folder. AppData is made for that.
SO MUCH. Now my standard procedure is to just make a “_My_Documents” folder within Documents, so I can know where the files are that I put there myself.
(Leading underscore pops it to the top of the list alphabetically)
I remember some Windows versions had a Games folder for all that, saved games, etc…but it seems very few games actually decided to use it lol.
~/.config :>
And now show hiddrn files and you see the plethora of applications that dump everything in your homedir instead of .config
Hint for KDE folks: Ctrl + h toggles hidden visibility. Makes navigating lots easier. :D
Same in thunar (the xfce file manager)
Awesome! Thunar is legit. 😁
Its even worse when they dont make it a hidden folder (looking at you android studio)
yup…
.hidden file became my best friend - and a little context menu script for dolphin to easily add a file / folder to that .hidden is a thing i use way too often tbh
That annoys the fuck out of me. I want the folders I put in /home, not your shit. Put it in /.local or something and fuck off.
📎 It seems you want to save your file locally. Too bad…
OneDrive allows to save files directly to the cloud?
MS Office has integration. It’s pretty useful in a corporate environment.
And they force you to use it if you want autosave, which is essential in a work environment given the stability of MS Office programs (or at least my ability to crash Excel).
Stage 2:
Documents folder? You want to rule my whole computer, dictate some nonsensical folder structure and then you act like, out of the goodness of your heart, I can have this little set of folders, deep in your weird structure, to store my stuff? And you’re even telling me how to sort it? On my own hard drive connected to my own computer?
What OS doesn’t do that, even linux has xdg dirs
I unironically do this. There was one update that wiped one guy’s Documents/Downloads/Images/Videos. So I made my own and store my things there.
And then at some point, games started saving inside documents. Ok, it makes sense to have game save files in a user area instead of a subfolder in the game install area, but they aren’t documents. Just make a new game saves folder or something like that, don’t just stick all my game save files in the same area, cluttering up my own organization.
Though I did solve it kinda by just making a new documents subfolder in my documents where I put my actual documents.
“%userprofile%\Saved Games” exists, but most games that i’ve seen don’t use it by default, or even can’t use it due to its own shortcomings.
There is a folder for game saves iirc.
While we are at it I’d like to see music be called audio.
I want to save to onedrive. So I can create it from my desktop, modify it from my laptop next week when I’m out of town, and send a link to it to the printer shop that’s gonna print me some copies. Why are you like this?
We used to do this with thumb drives. You can get a 128G usb3 thumb drive these days for like 20 bucks in the checkout line of most electronics stores. Cool things about a thumb* drive is I don’t need to pay a subscription fee for it, it doesn’t need an Internet connection, and it isn’t liable to be rifled through by Microsoft unless Bill Gates comes to your house and steals it from you.
Hey, no one is trying to stop you from doing that. I’m sure it is very convenient for you.
My point of view though is that automatically uploading my personal files to some corporation computer on the other side of the world should not be the default when I try to save something. Maybe sometimes I’ll want to use that feature, but there are a variety of reasons why I don’t want it most of the time. And I definitely don’t like having to jump through hoops just to avoid it.
Oh you want to delete a file from your folder? Ok, we’ll also delete it from OneDrive so it’s gone forever, see ya!
Firstly, no, it’s not gone forever. It remains in your onedrive recycling bin for a month. Secondly, that behavior makes sense. One drive is a mirror of your synced folders. If you just want to not have the file downloaded in your computer, just right click on the file and select “free up space”.
It’s so obvious!
It is. Another indicator you get is a status icon next to each file telling you if the file is permanently or temporarily (meaning it will get auto-deleted locally if you don’t use it) dowloaded to your pc or if it’s only on the cloud.
Oh, and you also get a prompt when you delete a file letting you know that it will be deleted from onedrive as well but it will still be in the recycling bin for a while. The only way to not get that prompt is to tick a box to not get reminded again.
Microsoft software has a lot of flaws but this isn’t one of them.
you can completely disable all the bullshit in windows including recall, copilot, onedrive and many more things with O&O shutup10++ and also DoNotSpy11
Those programs are even named like malware.
Jesus Christ, the need to use another opaque binary that has a non-zero chance of being hijacked to get rid of shit that should never be there sounds like the definition of insanity.
Thats great for people who don’t want to, or can’t switch to linux.
Good luck troubleshooting problems when an update of Windows breaks something.
Just switch to Linux and call it a day.
And then Linux update breaks something…
Clearly you’re not talking about Debian.
That’s like saying “we can cover this switch on the wall that will blow up your house so you can’t flip it.” I would feel better if the switch wasn’t even there. And now I’m wondering what other switches exist in my house that I don’t know about. The trust has already been shattered and I’ll never feel safe.
Goddang it, Bobby. OneDrive’s a bastard drive!
“Yeah but what if someone wants to store their files in Onedrive?”
“Well, Bobby. We ask them politely but firmly to leave.”
