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      It confirms my suspicion that she was in fact a robot. And the monster was an allegory for the humanity she craved

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      I bet you they just automatically lump in all the data from those old plagiarism detectors schools used to use before “ai detectors” became the thing.

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      Yep! Parents can pay to have their child kidnapped and tortured. Fuckers like Dr Phil even broadcast kids getting shipped off to rape camp to audience applause.

      The US refused to sign the UN convention on the rights of the child. There’s really an understanding that parents own their children. You can deny schooling (my brother was “homeschooled” for years - he played video games and jerked off while my mom nodded on benzos -and my attempts to get intervention were laughed off), you can deny medical care (how many dead JW kids from the blood transfusion bullshit?), do anything short of causing obvious bodily harm.

      Child liberation is a necessary civil rights movement.

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    Parents are already propping their kids up in front of a tablet as soon as they can lift their heads. This is just the next logical step to completely disconnecting from raising them.

    These kids are going to get all As and come out of high school completely feral and unable to read or write.

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    That is, by definition, not a school.

    Schools teach information.

    This is a hallucination mill.

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      I hope that, at least, AI there will be using RAG system and some real information sources. Otherwise, as you have mentioned, it would be a hell of education.

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          It’s a chat bot that googles your question before answering in the hopes to cut down on hallucinations. It doesn’t solve this problem at all.

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            Your explanation is not completely correct. More correct explanation would be: an AI chatbot that has an ability to gather relatable info to the user input from internal or external sources allowing the AI model to answer more precisely on questions even if the model wasn’t trained on this data at all. This lowers the amount and degree of hallucinations to some point but doesn’t eliminate them.

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                Basically, yes, but more nerfed. This ability is essential for many current AI chatbots and works on basic level of accessing specific needed info from storage. Easy example for a search bot will a chatbot that answers questions. Instead of giving LLM AI model access to all database(thousands of sentences), special algorithm(usually a semantic search) retrieves only a small relevant to the user input part of info(like only a dozen of sentences) and gives it to LLM model for further analyzing and formatting. This approach reduces the amount of tokens for which you pay, makes answers more correct and fast.

                For a bot to be a true search bot such searching algorithm should be able to use internet and local storage together. And the interesting part is that you don’t even need to have an LLM in this chain. You can only use RAG system to search for needed info in any text file. The only issue is that it will not be formatted and analyzed automatically.

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          I don’t think it will make enough difference, but RAG stands for Retrieval Augmented Generation.

          There’s a few ways to do it, but basically it’s a way add extra information to the conversation. By default the model only knows what it generates, plus what is in the conversation. RAG adds extra information to the mix.

          The simplest approach is to scan the conversation for keywords and add information based on them.

          So you ask “what is the capital of France” and instead of the model answering/hallucinating by itself, your app could send the full Wikipedia page for France along with your question, and the model will almost always return the correct answer from the Wikipedia page and hallucinate much less. In practice it gets a lot more complicated and I’m not up to date on recent RAG but the idea is the same.

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            the model will almost always return the correct answer from the Wikipedia page and hallucinate much less

            Ah, so much better than our current systems the use significantly fewer resources for consistently correct answers.

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          A separate subsystem for an AI chatbot that allows it to get related to the user input information from text files(database) without scanning it all each time or having as an input to the promt, thus reducing hallucinations since instead of telling you something “from the head” it has an input in the form like this: user_input+info_content+memory.

          Despite RAG being really helpful in many ways it doesn’t eliminate hallucinations completely. Only lowers them to some point.

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                It was a kerny joke about how in most fonts the r and n together read as an m, which is about kerning again.

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                  Oops, I remembered them backwards. I thought kerning was vertical spacing and leading was horizontal. You’d think I’d remember that from the typography class that I failed.

                  Turns out that I was too incorrect to appreciate your joke. I appreciate it now, but can’t bring myself to laugh at it since it’s now saturated in my embarrassment. But your pun got a good chuckle out of me!

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      Traditionally, these pilot programs operate as a marketing program rather than an educational program.

      You’re going to see a class of students enter the system with enormous supplemental aid and resources. The AI will be included but largely incidental. The students will be cherry-picked for media optics, rather than randomly selected from within the school district. Tons of paid professionals will write long-winded hagiographies about the affordability and effectiveness of the program. Some Ivy League University or Fortune 500 business will make a big show of admitting the most charismatic and saleable student graduates.

      Then the program will be rolled out to the rest of the country as quickly and sloppily as possible. AI will be jammed down people’s throats. You’ll get an earful about stupid idiot parents hysterically complaining about their dumb baby children, because they’re afraid of The Terminator movies. This will be book-ended with Steven Pinker and Bill Gates calmly explaining how AI turns dumbies into geniuses. A string of movies and TV shows will be released about kids getting AI education and becoming too smart (and time traveling or getting magic powers or some other silly bullshit).

      The YIMBY coalition of very informed TV nerds will be assembled to scream at anyone who doesn’t like AI. If you don’t like AI you’re Ableist or a Bigot or Not Serious About Education. Meanwhile, we’ll get an earful about how certain migrants and POCs are incapable of learning from AI because of their inferior genes. School districts will be told to either adopt AI or lose their funding / get taken over by the state / federal agencies. National media will be saturated with “AI is normal” media content until people stop resisting.

      And all of this will culminate in more school privatization, more public education defunding, and more militant policing of young people. Because that’s always been the real end goal.

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    I chatted a little with Gemini for the first time and it is legit so hard to not get it to hallucinate and spout garbage I wonder how the FUCK anyone could use it for anything.

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      I’ve helped picked up the pieces after similar “educations” and it’s bad. Teaching adults how to carry in addition or the concept of a variable. High school students that don’t have their times tables.

      Education is a fundamental human right. The Right has been working to strip it in the US since Brown v Board of Ed.

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        My partner is finally going to college after graduating high school twenty years ago. They were the only one in a college composition class that knew what a thesis statement was.

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          I was in the same boat myself about 15 years ago, and it was bad even then, I cant even imagine how it is now.

          You know how we used to have to memorize phone numbers but then smartphones came around and now nobody can recall more than a handful from memory? I’m no better, I can recall my wife’s, moms, dads, and work, but I couldn’t tell you any other relevant number to save my life today.

          Now take that paradigm and apply it to general thought. What happens when all our thinking gets reduced to queries and does not grow beyond that?

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        Coming soon to a movie theatre near you. A 2026 spectacular. Filmed in glorious Technicolor:

        Dr. Strangecode or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the AI

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      America’s got a bad habit with this. We already see what happened after the last 20 years of “no child kept behind”: now we have Trump.

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        And that right wing grift reading program that admitted to “look at the picture above the words, and guess” instead of … teaching phonics and how to actually read.

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        And social media, and computers, and tv, and video games, and LLMs, and smart phones…the list goes on and on.

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    This reminds me of that experiment where they had a wire mesh monkey doll be a surrogate mother for a real baby money. If you don’t know about this experiment the monkey raised by wire mesh was very fucked up emotionally when it grew up, and when this monkey had kids of its own, it had no idea how to raise these kids, who then turned out almost as fucked up as the original monkey.

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      Those people are paying $55,000/year for attendance.

      They will never work a day in their life with parents that rich.

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      That’s not what the data says. These kids are going to outpace traditional learning kids by miles.

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            • “AI should serve as a scaffold for cognitive construction rather than a substitute.”
            • “…the teacher’s role is shifting from knowledge transmission to instructional design and behavioral facilitation… Teachers must develop digital literacy and data fluency while acting as safeguards against over‑automation, ensuring that human judgment and educational values mediate AI adoption.”
            • “…while AI offers efficiency and feedback advantages, traditional teaching remains essential for tasks requiring cultural interpretation, discourse depth, and emotional connection. A blended model—AI for repetitive or procedural tasks and teachers for critical discourse—appears most effective.”

            This study explicitly does not advocate for replacing teachers with AI, and repeatedly cautions against doing so

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                Ironically… so did I 🙃 But I hand-verified everything it said, and adjusted the quotes.

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              And the school that is opening will still have human “guides” so I’m curious how it will work out. I agree it should be a mix of AI and human, and not fully AI.

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            These findings highlight both the promise and the limitations of AI in language education, underscoring the importance of teacher facilitation and thoughtful design of human–AI interaction to support deep and sustainable learning.

            The problem is there’s no teachers in this scenario, at least that’s my understanding

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              You’re right, they will have “guides” instead of teachers. This might be to far, but we won’t know until they try it. A mix of human and AI teachers would probably be best.

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        AI hasn’t even been around long enough for any meaningful data to be collected surely. Also, post this “data” you’ve twice now claimed exists.

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          Why are you hounding them for the data? They would swear on their honor that Grok said it, and that’s somehow not enough for you. They even asked a follow-up “Are you sure?”, to which Grok reaffirmed its findings. Maybe you should be practicing law if you want to act like you care so much about “evidence”.

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            This is for college students (aka students educated enough to learn on their own already), reads like a promotion for AI, has a limited sample size and does not translate to school kids at all and from the study itself:

            Finally, the study’s limitations include its single-institution sample, short duration, and reliance on proxy behavioral indicators. Ethical concerns around informed consent, data privacy, and AI dependency also warrant closer attention. Future research should pursue longer-term and cross-institutional designs, employ multimodal behavioral measures, and develop governance frameworks that align technical gains with equity, autonomy, and critical capacity.

            This “”study”” seems to spend more time opining on AI learning frameworks than actually measuring scores on standardised testing and only dedicates a minimal amount of the paper to the results. It also states in paper that higher achieving college students saw less benefits (poorer performing student, AI can bump your grades enough to be noticeable for a unit/pass an exam).

            Did you read this study or google something in order to provide a study? This study does not support the claim that “these kids will perform traditional learning by miles”.

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              It’s also for learning English, which is something a large language model is probably the most suitable for. It’s not going to be much use teaching music or drama.

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              No, the end part was my own opinion. I do believe classrooms that embrace AI will outperform tradition learning classrooms by a mile.

              Already yes the study is limited, AI learning is very new. Want me to pull out of study from 20 years ago with decades of proven data?

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                You said the data says otherwise which you then used to support that opinion. The data doesn’t say otherwise.

                Want me to pull out of study from 20 years ago with decades of proven data?

                Almost like that was in my original comment that you then replied to with a study as if it were compelling, so spare me the sassy comment. Don’t claim the data says otherwise when it doesn’t if you don’t want to be called out on it.

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        Really? Because the data I’ve seen says the exact opposite and that Gen Z is the first generation of people dumber than the generation before them. These kids are already fucked and AI is going to make it even worse.

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          I’ve seen says the exact opposite and that Gen Z is the first generation of people dumber than the generation before them.

          Do you have a citation for this?

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              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Post

              The New York Post (NY Post), founded as the New York Evening Post (originally New-York Evening Post), is an American conservative[3] daily tabloid newspaper published in New York City. Th

              The Post has been criticized since the beginning of Murdoch’s ownership for sensationalism, blatant advocacy, and conservative bias. In 1980, the Columbia Journalism Review stated that the “New York Post is no longer merely a journalistic problem. It is a social problem—a force for evil.”[9] The Post has been accused of contorting its news coverage to suit Murdoch’s business needs, in particular avoiding subjects which could be unflattering to the government of the People’s Republic of China, where Murdoch has invested heavily in satellite television.[63]

              On October 14, 2020, three weeks before the 2020 United States presidential election, the Post published a front-page story purporting to reveal “smoking gun” emails recovered from a laptop abandoned by Hunter Biden at a computer repair store in Wilmington, Delaware.[105] The only sources named in the story were Trump personal attorney Rudy Giuliani and strategy advisor Steve Bannon.[105] The story came under heavy criticism from other news sources and anonymous reporters at the Post itself for “flimsy” reporting, including questions about the reliability of its sourcing and the lack of outreach to either Hunter Biden or the Joe Biden campaign for pre-publication comment.[106][107]

              Right wing tabloid, you fell for republican propaganda.

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                  Sure, anything is better than a tabloid that supports Trump.

                  EDIT: So no proof that isn’t from a right wing propaganda piece, what I thought.

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          That generation is fucked yes. There is no fixing that with AI. This is for young gen A or gen beta. Green Z is already too old for this to be useful for them.

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        The only research I’ve seen on using LLMs in a school setting found that the kids that were given access to an LLM performed a bit better on exercises that those without. At the same time their experienced learning was a lot better. When they finally got a test assignment, the kids that had been using LLMs during exercises flopped and performed significantly worse than those that hadn’t.

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    AI: Always Indian. The call centers will educate our children.

    Facetiousness aside, AI isn’t ready for many things. Right now I am trying to have a RPG Maker hentai game translated, but there are lots of issues. For example, the AI tends to drop these brackets, 「」, even when I give instructions to not drop them.

    If an AI can’t handle such details, I don’t think it should sculpt the minds of children.