I’ve been trying to find out more about this because the story doesn’t make any sense:
“he approached the sleeping woman, and then lit her on fire with what was believed to be a lighter. She added the victim’s clothes became fully engulfed in a matter of seconds.”
Clothing shouldn’t just be flammable like that without some kind of accelerant.
https://www.cpsc.gov/Regulations-Laws--Standards/Statutes/Flammable-Fabrics-Act
The suspect being an immigrant is the main reason this will be a multi-day national story. It’s a fucked up way to kill someone, but even with that in mind, there’s no way they’d make a national story out of a homeless woman being murdered in NYC except to serve a broader agenda.
Well, there’s also the burning person on a subway.
Yeah I mean how often does that happen? Like legitimately?
I don’t know. But I’m sure it doesn’t happen so much that it would be ignored by the news.
Watch the police do as little as possible over this. She was the opposite of a CEO.
In fairness, they did catch the guy pretty quickly.
So we’re doing terrorism charges for all homicides in NYC now right? Right?
Homeless people might use layers of all kinds of stuff to stay warm (think newspaper, etc as a common material), they also don’t have the privilege of being able to wash their clothes very often. There could have been all sorts of things that compromise the flame retardancy of the clothing.
People don’t typically expect to be set on fucking fire while they sleep, so it’s not usually a risk to be concerned about.
The guy that did this is an absolute psycho
There’s no evidence but I’m wondering if the dude came up to this sleeping woman, poured alcohol on her, then lit her up.
No press briefing with the chief of investigators, NYPD?
In the words of our boys in blue in Seattle… She had limited value.
So we don’t know anything about this thug? Burning homeless people on the subway?!?! Republicans prolly prepping him to be a national celebrity
From Guatamala though, so expect the usual “alien” hate.
Fuck this guy, idc where the fuck he’s from. Wildly fucked up.
I’d rather hate the lack of mental health and support systems available. If it was just a random act of violence, he’s the suspect is just mentally unwell and you can’t really stop them without structural changes. It’s not hard to find articles and articles about homeless people attacking random people with bricks in NYC.
That plays into Trumps whole “they’re sending us their criminals and emptying their asylums” bullshit though. :(
Agreed that mental health care should be a guarantee just like “health care” because, well, it is health care.
But that won’t be the narrative from the “deport them all” crowd.
I seem to remember a string of copycat attacks where lighter fluid or gas was sprayed inside a kiosk that contained a cashier or person taking tickets. Think there were several deaths.
Expect that an accelerant like gas or lighter fluid was used in this case. Doesn’t take much.
Monstrous thing to do.
I don’t know anything about this but in my misspent youth kids would take the regulator off adjustable disposable butane lighters and you could light the lighter and then basically pour the butane out of the lighter.
Something like that could surely ignite clothing and appear to be “just” a lighter.
Oh, yeah, that makes a ton more sense…
Nah, butane evaporates almost immediately at ambient temp/pressure.
Have you ever refilled a Zippo
… Yes. Why?
And you’ve never spilled butane from the Zippo fluid anywhere? It stays liquid long enough that one can go to a sink and wash it off.
Maybe you’re thinking of naphtha? That’s what old, cotton wick lighters used, but butane gasifies within 30s max. Might leave an odor/residue on your hands but that’s not particularly flammable.
Old skool lighter and the low pressure can of naphtha in the back, high pressure butane cylinder right:
Idk what to tell u buddy, the can in the picture on the right is specifically a butane refill can, and you can spray it on a surface and it’ll stay liquid for a bit. You can even light it on fire and it’ll stay that way. You can try the same thing with any pressurized can of deodorant for example, concentrated spraying for 3-5s on a surface will release enough liquid that you can light it on fire. Old party trick was to spray enough on a leg of pants (or an arm if daring) and light it, and then extinguish in a few seconds
but butane gasifies within 30s max
This leaves plenty of time to splash someone and light it while still qualifying “instant”.
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Zippos don’t use butane
https://www.zippo.com/products/premium-butane-fuel?gQT=1 Should probably let someone know that
They CAN, but not by default. You have to replace the insert.
Source: I have both a butane and electric Zippo.
Aren’t winter jackets very flammable?
Protip from a fire performer
Buy a boiled wool peacoat. You can put out a small fire with it. Thrift stores usually have em for like $20
Thanks! Wool really is a great material.
I’ve recently been enlightened to the benefits of merino wool. Wish it was more affordable.
No, I think they’re legally required to be self-extinguishing.
Most jackets today are cheap garbage shipped from china.
Sigh. I dunno man, point is, fuck this human-arson shitbag.
That is what she gets for not being a POS CEO.
It’s pretty well known that polyester and other artificial fibers are very flammable, no?
Poly will melt rather than burn and generally self extinguishes. That’s what makes this so weird:
Polyester propagates pretty easily if the fire is big enough. It only “self extinguishes” sometimes when the gloop of melted plastic falls off, or if the flame is small. But a large flame will for sure spread, especially if it’s a thin and airy fabric or a blend.
(Am fire performer, I frequently light this shit on fire for safety demos)
Maybe something flammable had been spilled on the clothing.
The only problem with making clothing flame retardant is that is usually done with nasty chemicals that give cancer or other conditions.
I believe cotton clothing is flame retardant, even without extra chemicals. Of course, pure cotton clothing is the more expensive alternative…
I know wool is. That may be what you are thinking of.
I found a fiber burn test with wool, cotton, bamboo, and acrylic fibers. The wool singes but doesn’t burn up completely while the others do. I can’t speak to whatever she says in the video as my speakers don’t seem to be working now.
Wool would be extra beneficial for homeless as well as it retains most of its insulating properties when wet and stays cleaner with less washing than other fabrics.
Yes, wool is definitely a flame retardant. I seem to remember that while cotton fibres will burn up, woven cotton textiles will burn only poorly and slowly. That is, they are flame retardant, but not flame resistant. Most synthetic clothes will first melt, and if it’s hot enough that the melt burns, they’ll burn quite well.
I saw comments about tight woven cotton being flame resistant. It sounds like it helps deprive oxygen from the flame. Any frays and stray thready bits lose that protection.
Textiles are surprisingly interesting!
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Questioning the physics of the story as reported, not the victim. Clearly they’re absolutely blameless.
Feels like something is missing, either in the reporting or from the cops.
Wow, I have no idea how you saw that because I deleted it within seconds of writing it when I realized what you meant.
LOL, it got copied to my inbox. :) Wanted to make sure you knew I was not a monster. :)
I honestly said it before I even realized you wrote it and then I saw it was you and was like, “nah, there’s no possible way he’s victim blaming.” So sorry.
My boss ask why i dont go to NYC anymore….
Because this person was lit on fire?
Because its a shit show and it smells like garbage weed and food all together.
oh no not weed! glad you survived that 💚
I smoke weed but that combo is horrible! Also had a car accident in NYC and the cops dont make a report and the report you make the ins co dont care and deny claim. Fuck NYC
For how many cool and interesting things there are to do at all hours, so many fascinating people to meet, an endless array of delicious foods and beautiful places… A slight nose wrinkle is all it takes to dissuade you?
Lmfao.
I can tell you dont live in NYC…lol
Uhh, raised there, watched the towers fall, etc.
“My bOsS aSkEd mE…” What a horribly boring conversation. Would you consider yourself an interesting person?
Sure… NyC Is Th3 b3St… what a stupid comment! No one that lives in NYC likes so I know you full of BS… go away!
I live in NYC. I love it. You’re not even from there and actively despise it, so you DEFINITELY don’t get to speak for the locals.
Oh poor guy. Big cities have problems, all of 'em.
I’m sorry you had a bad time. You’re still welcome to come visit if you like, and if not, that’s ok too.
So long.
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