I love it how the liberals think “Well Trump did it too!” is some kind of own. America is so comically corrupt it is hard to take their government and the people who support it seriously
Lmao there are loads of those comments in this thread. I need to start blocking libs because they say so much fascist apologia
I want to be mad, but this is nothing compared to who trump pardoned.
compared to who Trump pardoned
…and will soon add himself to that list.
If everyone who comments here emailed Joe Biden with suggestions as to how he could use his newly-expanded powers to help deserving people in America (or influenced by America) it would probably not make a difference, but there’s a non-zero possibility he’d actually do some of it.
Let’s face it for elites… They are not American, they are Elites that use America as their playground … The Biden tanked the Harris campaign out of spite and don’t care who gets in as it doesn’t really affect them.
These are extremely rich people… Unless we are in Red China, they have nothing to fear
Red China is long gone mon ami. Communism with Chinese Characteristics loves the rich, but only if you’re aligned to the correct clique.
This is a common statement by those who haven’t read theory, especially among the Western Left, but this isn’t true in any capacity. Billionaires are regularly executed in the PRC, the fact that the PRC has a private sector doesn’t mean it has shifted away from Marxism-Leninism. The entire reason Marx predicted Socialism, ie Public Ownership and Central Planning, to overtake Capitalism is because markets naturally prepare the foundations for Socialism. Competition forces more and more companies to consolidate and grow, develop their own infrastructure for planning, which can be siezed and used by the public.
Question 17 : Will it be possible to abolish private property at one stroke?
Answer : No, no more than the existing productive forces can at one stroke be multiplied to the extent necessary for the creation of a communal society. Hence, the proletarian revolution, which in all probability is approaching, will be able gradually to transform existing society and abolish private property only when the necessary means of production have been created in sufficient quantity.
-Engels, The Principles of Communism
Half the economy of the PRC is in the Public Sector, and another almost tenth is in the cooperative sector. The Private Sector covers mostly light industry that depends on Publicly Owned industries like steel and public infrastructure. As Capital consolidates in the Markets, the CPC increases ownership. I recommend reading Socialism Developed China, Not Capitalism. Markets are more efficient at lower levels of development, and Public Ownership and Planning is more efficient at higher levels of development.
If you want to learn more about Marxism, I made an introductory Marxist reading list.
Fair point👍
I was saying fair point that China today is not that of the 70’s …
There is a corrupt rich class in China and the communist party is struggling to “harmonize”
Then again, I would not wish to Be the leader of a billion people… It’s not easy decision for sure…
No offense, but Harris more than capably tanked her own campaign by being as milquetoast as biden when it comes to supporting the working class.
None taken, however my comment and yours can both be true which is my concern…
From various reports it would seem that President Biden is quite a nasty little thing that, with his wife, have a very overinflated view of themselves… (what président doesn’t I guess) however he has been vindictive for being ousted for the president debste(which was a no brainer…) and honestly I truly believe that he did on purpose to tank Harris.
She has herself to blame for sure however, even Bill Clinton through his speach about the middle eastern conflict stired up the wrong tone…
The democratic party is in need to a cleanup… Then again I would say the same of the republican as well as they are under the leadership of a loon… (thinking of Black Adder with King George III)
Yeah but had harris done the correct thing and disowned biden’s policies (critically around israel and corporate water carrying) and been a decent human being and supported working americans. biden wouldn’t have been able to impact shit.
Yup, this is the comment to be remembered for the 2028.100%agreed
I’m torn.
It’s bad to pardon family, but at the same time, I’d fully support pardoning a random person who had a no-prison plea deal the judge threw out after the defendant admitted guilt.
Especially when the crime that resulted in a jail time sentence is one that’s almost exclusively used as an add-on for violent offenders. Any person with a medical Marijuana card and a gun or who ate half a gummy at a friend’s house in a state where it’s legal while their gun was locked in a safe at home has committed the same crime.
But it also looks bad for him to pardon his son, and Trump’s sycophants will absolutely cling to this.
I agree with you that the sentencing was incredibly unjust and clearly politically motivated. I’m just incredibly frustrated that Biden is not doing anything that’s useful to Americans during his last few months in office.
That’s a pretty bold assertion that Biden is not doing anything useful to Americans.
Ok. What has he done in his lame duck period, or expressed intention to do, that helps Americans? So far I’ve seen him double down on helping Israel commit genocide and I’ve seen him pardon his son. I’m happy to be convinced otherwise but I’m sure not seeing it now.
They’ll cling to it but now that Hunter is pardoned all they can do is whine, just as Dems will do after Bonespurs pardons himself. But both will be done deals. Hunter Biden’s case will be over - no more wasting congressional time and resources with pointless hearings and investigations.
Yeah this is a man who committed a minor crime that’s rarely prosecuted who was sentenced because his father is President, he was about to have a real bad time because of who his father is if he wasn’t pardoned. I can’t judge Biden for this. He’d never have pardoned him if someone who would treat him on his own merits was the incoming president
Unfortunately Biden is known for packing up the slavery prisons with people who in any just country shouldn’t be there and keeping them there for the profits of corpos. In this light him pardoning his son is even worse than just nepotistic abuse of power.
How it looks is beside the point. If it’s moral then it’s moral, and people who are looking at it need to deal with it. As for what Trump’s sycophants will do, they’re going to do crazy s*** anyway.
When judges ignore plea deals, they are asking for people to strip them of power. That’s what happened here, the judge deserved what they got. If you can’t find justice in the courts, then to hell with the courts.
Here is the only issue I have with the pardon. Once Kamala lost, Biden should have started to go hog wild with last minute shenanigans in order to give Americans things they actually need. Instead he decided to pardon Hunter a full month before leaving office rather than helping us out and doing the pardon on the last day. Now, even if he does do things that will help Americans, nobody will notice because of the pardon.
They’d notice if he had Trump and all his goons disappeared to a black site… You know, as an official act… Against terrorism and traitors even
They’re already trying to finalize rules, complete process do previously passed initiatives can be nailed down. The government can be very slow, and that’s a good thing for stability and fairness. It’s especially good to reduce the promised dumpster fire of the next four years.
Is there really anything he can start at this point that would have lasting effects? Going hog wild with shenanigans may be satisfying but not likely to do anything more than create headlines
I feel like creating headlines is sort of what the Democratic party needs right now though. They just lost what should be a slam dunk election largely because a bunch of people just didn’t show up. Flashy headlines probably make at least some of those people show up.
He has immunity. He could legit just start arresting people with the Guard
Now, even if he does do things that will help Americans, nobody will notice because of the pardon.
I don’t know why you’re so concerned for Genocide Joe’s legacy, but if his last 47 months are any indication, he’s unlikely to uncharacteristically give Americans what they actually need in his 48th.
Not my buddy Jim Crow Joe, it’s these damn Republican fascists he considers his friends who won’t let him make America great again
Eh, he’s been pretty good over all. We’ve had better, though the list of worse Presidents is a bit longer. Over all, Joe did step up and get more done than expected for what felt like a forced square into a round hole situation. What he might not have done was solve YOUR issues.
I think the absolute atrocity was the genocide in Israel but then again I’m not a democrat.
I’m not saying it’s okay, but to give some historical context, literally every president of the past 80 years and the next 5 presidents would have and will do what Biden has done towards Israel.
It’s part of America’s foreign policy, which means there’s literally nothing we can do about, anyone hanging ones hat upon that alone is foolish. It sucks a lot and fuck Israel, but having America taking a hard-line against Israel is like asking water to stop being wet or Matt Gaetz to stop looking punchable
It’s part of America’s foreign policy, which means there’s literally nothing we can do about.
incorrect we did exactly what we needed to do. we fired him for it (among other reasons). unfortunately harris didn’t pick up on the message and as a result also wasnt hired as a result. enjoy your fascism.
he was pretty good
he did some genocide but that is normal
You should do some self-criticism ASAP before you get correctly called a racist fascist.
This chancellor was pretty good, not a fan of his immigration policy but how about that Autobahn?
They were planned in 20’s and during III Reich only around 15% of the plan was complete, their importance was very limited because not many Germans had cars and overwhelming most of transportation both civilian and military was done by trains, but the PR was colossal and all the fash ever since masturbate to it (i know your post was ironic, but to add some context for people that might not get it).
I’m not saying it’s okay, but to give some historical context, literally every president of the past 80 years and the next 5 presidents would have and will do what Biden has done towards Israel.
Ronald fucking Reagan forced Israel into a ceasefire with Lebanon, Syria, and the Palestine Liberation Organization. And it was a real ceasefire, unlike the current joke of a ceasefire Israel has with Lebanon that it keeps violating, and it held for a long-ass time.
Well, except REAGAN of all people, who told them to settle the fuck down on Lebanon, called it a genocide, and got the IOF to back off.
Ronald “AIDS is no concern, fuck the working class” Reagan was better on Israel than Joe Biden.
Who cares if anyone notices the good being done? Do it anyways. How does this prevent that?
Dems need someone to notice if they want to ever have a chance at the big chair before the 2030’s.
There’s not going to be a 2028 election.
Yes, all those people thinking there’s a next time after voting in Napoleon!
I guess we still live in 1870? Though looking at absolute scum like Trochu, Thiers or Mac Mahon they would be certainly worthy of current USA.
I think Biden should have gone hog wild with shenanigans that Americans actually need 4 years ago, but you’re right that now would still be a good time.
His administration is hopeless at messaging anyway so no one has known nor will they know anything Biden has done.
DNC: We’re the friendly fascists. We choose the corporation over the people in all aspects. We still worship the oligarchy the MAGA fascists will incorporate, we just choose the honey of caring about social issues as opposed to the vinegar of hating the others.
They have some good policy. So don’t forget that. If Americans voted based on policy alone they would do themselves a lot more good. That said, the DNC fails to win elections and have sceded so much power to the GOP already they might as well be the same.
They only have “good” policy when they know it’ll fail.
Not true
I’ll admit it, your meme was a lot nicer about it.
Yeah. This is the pardon that is going to break the country, not the fact that individual’s who received a pardon from Trump’s first term and now being nominated to his cabinet.
Trump already did this with Kushmer’s daddy. Old news.
I literally don’t care about the Hunter pardon. Trump pardoned Russian spies. I think pardoning a child for a dumb drug offence is fine. 🤷♂️
…A child?
I mean yes he is Joes child no matter how old he is.
…Wait, is Joe then also a child? Good grief, no wonder America went to shit, they let a fucking child be president!
Does “an offspring” sound better? A “progeny”!?
If you can’t deduct that they mean HIS child then I’m sorry but you’re why disinformation is so effective.
…Wow, y’all are really losing it over this, aren’t you?
Just tired of people being willfully ignorant
Frankly, I don’t know what you’re complaining about. If you standard for “child” is “has a parent”, then everyone on here is a child, you included. Just pardon them and move on.
I mean the it is the very definition of the word. A son or daughter an offspring.
I care that he’s not pardoning people in immigration detention. Instead he just pardons his crackhead son and leaves.
He can’t blanket pardon people. He would have to do one for each person.
He could still pardon them all, it’s not like his hand would cramp from signing too many papers! Go through, one by one, and pardon them all.
And all the people on federal death row, that Trump is going to kill.
And all the people with federal marijuana charges.
And people like Leonard Peltier and Julian Assange while he’s at it.
What’s stopping him?
Yup he could on the way out make dreamers and none criminal migrant citizens but nope. Remember it’s a small club and we ain’t in it. Also shows Democratic leadership is happy with any outcome of elections because they still come out on top regardless. Did Nancy Pelosi’s or Obama’s life become more hard because of election? Nope. Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries are still going to get their beachfront Villas in Gaza. So they never really try to win.
Hakeem Jeffries is still the main Democrat who directly backed and supported Eric Adams in his bid for NYC Mayor and when asked about the indictment said this:
We need Eric Adams to be successful as mayor because he is the mayor
Jeffries is just another Pelosi and was picked because he doesn’t care either. He won’t apparently try for better just enough to make sure they keep as much power as they can.
I love how libs are utterly incapable of discussing things without using Trump for framing. He’s also not pardoning drug offenses, he’s pardoning the whole Burisma thing which is at the very least a FARA violation. That’s why the pardon is sweeping from the start of 2014.
I also love the “protect Hunter at all costs” framing. “a child” not “his child”, “a child”, a 44-54 year old child.
lol yeah he’s a middle aged crackhead
Sure but the Republicans have been going after hunter hard. That isn’t normal circumstances.
Forty-five years of neoliberal salami slicing via lesser-evilism is how we got to this place.
All drugs should be legal.
We all know humanity will refuse to unclench our collective butthole regarding capitalism during our lives. At least let us get high as fuck on whatever we want while we wage slave to barely make it.
Perhaps it’s more about the working class suffering then it is about money and power. Remarkable if that’s true.
Drugs should be legal, driving recklessly with guns while high should definitely not be legal. I don’t think Americans deserve to die for walking around despite how much I hate their country.
Meth? Crack? Fentanyl?
Yes.
Making drugs illegal doesn’t stop use. It just makes it essentially impossible to know you’re getting a clean supply that isn’t laced with something else, or accidentally 100x as strong and it kills you. Plus it does nothing to address why these people felt the need to turn to these highly addictive and deadly drugs. If anything it makes the problem worse.
Based.
If everything else was legal, people would stop dying from drugs laced with fent.
Tell Biden drugs should be legal to his face he’d have you enslaved at your nearest private prison. This is how little of a shit he gives about criminals and their upbringing. He should have kept that same energy, but as always, rules are for the poors.
No they should not be without the other support networks in place. BC in Canada decimalized and it made shit worse. You need the support infrastructure in place to help people with addiction also.
I think pardoning a child for a dumb drug offence is fine. 🤷♂️
His son is hardly a child at 54 years old. Biden is also responsible for thousands of people behind bars because of “a dumb drug offense”.
I don’t think that Trump should be the bar for morality and ethics in this country. It’s lazy to bring him into this conversation.
His son is hardly a child at 54 years old.
I’m sure parents always will see their children as children, no matter their age.
I’m specifically talking about the silly framing of “a child” rather than “his child”
Going back three decades when everyone thought a “war on drugs” would be a good idea is also lazy to bring into this conversation. As President, Biden freed more victims of that war than all other presidents
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Biden sponsored the crime bill that put those people behind bars in the first place.
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Biden abused his powers to pardon his son for crimes that other people will remain in prison for. Crimes that are more severely punished because of Biden.
Its actually quite relevant to the conversation
Abused his power?
Abused his power?
Yes, I would say that pardoning your own son as president is a conflict of interest, unethical, and an abuse of power. It demonstrates that Hunter is above the laws that Joe Biden helped architect. I’m surprised that this sentiment is so controversial.
No no it’s not.
Did his actions breach the rules in place for issuing pardons?
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You’re right. I should have said “his son” instead.
And America has proven nobody cares except the Democrats who don’t vote for high horse reasons son who cares.
Sounds like some classic whataboutism. What time is it in Moscow, comrade!?
That is very cute but any time you start talking about Russian spies republicans can now say Hunter Biden. What you meant to say is you only care when Trump does it.
I would say that the issue is not who is doing the pardoning but who is being pardoned. There’s a clear difference between Hunter being pardoned and Russian assets being pardoned.
any time you start talking about Russian spies republicans can now say Hunter Biden
Damn. Then I guess they win. All the Liz Cheneys in the world won’t be able to beat them
Who gives a fuck about what the republicans or democrats say anymore? They’re all corrupt rich people who are full of shit and don’t give a fuck about you and never did.
Oh no! The two pro capitalist pro imperialist parties are trading barbs about dumb shit!
This I can respect.
Thanks. I respect what biden did for his son because the republicans would do (have done?) the same shit.
What I don’t respect is the endless wars of imperialism, the genocide, the handing over power peacefully to overt fascists, and biden not doing a single fucking thing while he’s a lame duck to protect us from the incoming government.
By that logic you’d respect the democrats if they overtook the capital as well? Republicans doing something is a horrible reason to do anything.
Oh my god, I’d have so much respect for them if they did that. They won’t. They’re going to gladly hand over power to fascists because taking the high road is always the right thing to do to liberals. That and tone policing anyone who suggests something stronger than marching around with signs ineffectually.
I’m 50-50 on this. Peaceful transition of power is about respecting the decision of the people. A reasonable reason to buck the peaceful transition would be if it didn’t align with the will of the people, but that will is so obfusicated and twisted that I can’t tell what it even is anymore. If you have an issue with the transition, you should have an issue with the process that got you there. Bucking only the transition isn’t attacking the issue, it’s throwing a tantrum because you lost.
A miscarriage of justice isn’t solved with a pardon, it needs systemic changes. The rules are wrong, and ignoring them sometimes won’t make things right. What I would respect is rebuilding the system to be more representative and less able to be twisted. Gerrymandering, conflicts of interest, voting availability, lobbying, voter knowledge, even the journalism industry as a whole; there are lots of huge problems out there, ignoring those resorting to an armed “nuh uh” at the last moment is stupid.
That said, installing a dictator has never gone well, and being petty and stupid is probably worth avoiding that. It’s probably worth quite a bit more really. So I wouldn’t like it, but I really couldn’t complain.
What can he even do, short of doing the exact same thing Trump did on Jan 6th and essentially starting off open, armed conflict? Anything he tries to pass now will be immediately thrown out after Jan 20th. Increase SCOTUS seats? GOP will either just undo it or add even more to counteract it. He can’t make new laws, he can only do executive orders, which Trump can easily undo. So again, that leaves only violence, and we all know that won’t play out well, since that’d pretty much require Biden to kill off enough politicians, including Trump and Vance, to give the Democrats the majority in both the House and Senate. Outside of being unlikely, that sets a really dangerous precedent that would definitely backfire down the road.
Bottom line is that politicians aren’t going to fix this, since the root of the problem lies within the electorate.
I would say at least the good portion of blame falls on our voting and economic system. We did not create the systems that oppress us, that would be the 1%.
Perhaps this is why slave rapist Thomas Jefferson said “God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion”.
The root of the problem is capitalism and imperialism, and the only way out at this point is a general wildcat strike and then violence. This country will never unify under labor power so violence it is.
I’d argue it’s capitalism without guardrails for consumer and worker protections that’s more problematic than capitalism itself. Just like with socialism, if it isn’t implemented and/or continually protected correctly, it eventually spirals into degeneracy.
And I’d like for society to avoid violence as much as possible. Anyone that throws that out as an option without heavy hesitation are those that haven’t experienced the horrors of open warfare/ violence at scale.
I do not respect what Biden did for his son because Biden did not do the same thing for every other person who suffered from republican (and democrat) policies. Primarily black inmates including those who suffered false trials.
Joe Biden did not save Marcellus Williams who was actually innocent.
What’s more, Biden is the single most influential man in the mass incarceration of America. He wrote the fucking 90s crime bill ffs.
Here he is, talking about leniency for criminals who aren’t his son
The only reason I have respect for it is because for once democrats aren’t the party of piety and taking the high road. It’s actually a bit refreshing seeing them muck around in the mud.
You’re totally right though. A whole lot of people should be getting pardoned for the drug war biden himself was responsible for condoning as a senator for decades. But then how would the prisons and those who contract with them for slave labor profit? Will anyone think of the poor investors?
Its funny how when it comes to normal people its always the high road, when it comes to genocide it’s always a process he can’t change, but when it comes to his son, no more high road. No one on the left cares about the pardon, we care that of all the times to break precedent, its not to stop the genocide but to cover his son. When someone shows your their priorities believe them.
there are so many other people’s children in jail for dumb drug offences…
…That Biden specifically helped put there with his drug and police laws.
Finished that sentence for you.
It does seem pretty banana republic-y
New York Times gonna blame this when he falls from a building in January
I’m not saying it was right, but Hunter did get it rough solely because of who his dad was.
I’m not saying he didn’t deserve it, only that it wouldn’t have happened otherwise.
I don’t know that this is worth making a fuss over.
Whomst among us hasn’t been given cushy jobs we aren’t qualified for in corrupt Ukrainian companies by our dad and then done a bunch of blow with prostitutes and tax fraud and illegally owned guns!? Clearly this is a witch hunt.
Hunter did get it rough
there’s a guy who doesn’t care about who got it rough and his name rhymes with genocidin’
My big issue with it is basically summed up by this meme. By doing this he’s established that he’s willing to break promises and take advantage of systems that republicans are abusing, but only when it benefits him personally. He could executive order a bunch of different things, and go on a pardon spree, but what he does with his power is just to pardon his son. Unlike the rest of us, a Trump presidency will basically not affect him at all, and the little it would/did has to do with his son and he doesn’t even have to deal with that.
Do I want his son in prison? No, not really. But considering he all but lied about being a 1 term president and refused to step down making a primary impossible, which at least contributed to the dems loss, it’s an extra slap in the face that the only real consequence he had to face is able to be erased by a stroke of his pen, and yet he seems to be doing nothing to protect or help anyone else who has been hurt by his decisions. I don’t think Hunter should suffer because of who his dad is, but his dad is making (and has made) us all suffer and is unwilling to do anything about it.
I’m not making a fuss about it, but if I was, it’d not be about the pardon, it’d be about how his big move as a lame duck with immunity confirmed by the Supreme Court is to get his son out of prison and watch everyone else suffer.
Hunter did get it rough solely because of who his dad was.
If you lined up all the crack heads in America and ranked them “has it the most rough” to “least rough”, I would challenge you to find 1% who have it better than Hunter.
If you lined up all the crack heads in America and ranked them “has it the most rough” to “least rough”, I would challenge you to find 1% who have it better than Hunter.
Exactly. What crackhead is getting off on a gun possession? That’s a slam dunk for a DA to put numbers on the board.
Libs just have their heads up their asses. Legalities around guns + drugs have been the corner stone of state suppression for decades. Libs love screaming about freeing their favorite rapper or how Regan is a hypocrite that passed gun control in CA, but suddenly pretend it’s not typical when their guy’s son catches a case.
It’s funny that so many actually believed his BS. All so they could convince themselves they were “the good people”. It’s just so ridiculous.
They didn’t punch us directly. They paid people for that. That’s why they are better than everyone. See how they sit above us?
You really start to get all those older writings about the dangers of upper classes cause they really do get apathetic and assume moral superiority just on existence after a while.
There is one party closely associated with judging others and is filled with elitist snobs.
When in the fucking history of the USA has this shithole fought against fascism?
WW2, but it was a side objective, kind of a bonus
You really need to study WW2 better. Really
Do tell.
Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Operation Paperclip (and any other shit from OSS), Servia, Laos, NATO, Chinese Revolution, you can choose. If youd like a suggestion on where to start, theres a pretty good channel on yt called Eyes Wide Open, great resource with many checkable sources of information
Oh we’re in agreement, but what I meant is that, as much as it pained them, they happened to have fought other fascists also, but it wasn’t the reason they fought, obviously.
USA didn’t fight against fascism when it fought against Nazi Germany and literally fascist Italy because Laos and NATO
Lmao wat
Fighting nazis is not the same as fighting nazism. But you are clearly unable to tell the difference
Yeah it’s not like fascism was the literal state ideology of fascist Italy or anything lmao. Or Nazism of Nazi-Germany. Lol.
US continued to do business with the nazis well into the war, IBM is famously responsible for facilitating the holocaust. And of course, once the war ended the US promptly started internationalizing fascism as bulwark against communism https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/10/16/the-u-s-did-not-defeat-fascism-in-wwii-it-discretely-internationalized-it/
