Today the first of Feb is Global Switch day, Spread awareness of the Fediverse in your communities.
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Please add chess.com → lichess
Do you really want the world to join here? I don’t think you do. A lot of the world is anti trans, anti woke or whatever they want to call it. I’m pretty open minded but the Marxist purists who continuously shout down differing opinions get really old sometimes.
For things that you’re using by yourself, sure, it’s doable. However, for content creation, it’s pretty hard. Some of those alternatives just don’t have the critical mass yet. Maybe it would be an option to do both in parallel for some time before switching completely, but might not work for everybody.
Practical example: I’m a hobbyist photographer. Small timer, less than 1000 followers. My livelihood doesn’t depend on this, but I’m still serious about it. I mainly do concerts and sport events (so a lot of things involving other people) and my main outlets are Facebook and Instagram. Switching to something else would mean either 1) that no one will see my work or 2) that people will see my photos on the alternative place, they’ll copy them over and they’ll still end up on Facebook and Instagram, but this time without my creative control (thus badly cropped and recompressed several times - so even if I pay special attention to those things when publishing by myself, the effort goes down the drain when someone else does it).
Isn’t lemmy the reddit of the fediverse?
Really wish Loops had an Android app.
Lets make February a switch month. It is impossible to switch in one day
TikTok -> driving rust nails through your nipples
Tiktok -> tiktok with less content and login required unless you like the 10 videos we have chosen for you.
I checked out Loops again last week, it’s alright but needs more content. I think it’ll get there if it keeps chugging along as it’s been doing.
It’s still in Beta.
I haven’t checked it recently because it isn’t my content consumption format, but has it really gotten better. If more people join I would really like to recommend it to people like my spouse… But as it was when I tried it, shed nope right out of there.
What I liked was if you shared a loop, they could view it without having an account, but I couldn’t view a tiktok when she tried sending me one say last year
Indeed the TikTok login wall is frustrating
Content volume will increase over time but requiring login killed it for me.
Heck they’re even mimicking tiktok login begging techniques
And also don’t forget to donate to your devs!
And instance admins!
I recommend hosting yourself to see exactly what “admins” have to go through.
Crosspost from: !Fedibridge@lemmy.dbzer0.com ( A community for growing the Fediverse )
What’s the difference between Piefed and Lemmy?
piefed has an opinionated dev reimplementing karma and filters for content they don’t like right into the application
I was thinking of giving piefed a shot. Any further reading on this?
check out this comment
Here’s at least some of the ‘feature’ list. was about to switch to piefed until I read it.
https://join.piefed.social/2024/06/22/piefed-features-for-growing-healthy-communities/
I don’t think there’s a writeup, but I can search for explanations later, I’m kind of on the go rn. These filters are technically optional, it’s just another piece of trust you have to hand over to your instance admin and hope they don’t turn them on. Also you have to trust that these optional filters are the only ones, and that there won’t be any hidden filters.
If you wanna give it a shot then by all means go ahead, but I personally feel very uneasy knowing these exist and the dev is willing to implement algorithms to punish people who post “bad content” in their eyes
Lemmy also has filters, you have to have the same ‘trust’ that admins don’t add words to them.
Lemmy intransparently punishes users for using reaction GIFs, writing “this” comments and punches communities for having the words "meme’ or “shitpost” in the title? that’s crazy
All of these things can be turned off, moreover, the “punches communities” specifically refers to the mass federation tool that instance admins can use that has had a lot of terms removed.
Piefed has quite a few features that Lemmy doesn’t have:
- multicommunities
- onboarding process asking new joiners what they are into
- crossposts comments consolidation
- communities moderation features
- posts and user flairs
- keyword filters
https://join.piefed.social/features/
Lemmy should get there in version 1.0, but they still don’t have any precise timeframe for that release, and still need to do some testing https://lemmy.ml/comment/23570258
You might see a few people discrediting Piefed for some optional filters it offers, but all of those filters are configurable by admins and disabled by default: https://piefed.zip/c/fediverse/p/1005977/piefed-admin-settings-that-allow-to-enable-or-disable-content-filters-they-are-disabled-by
How can I pick which piefed server doesn’t have the social credit score enabled?
I recommend MULTIVERSE, the anarcho-antirealist PieFed server. We have a karma system the same as Reddit, which you’re used to, and we don’t do any extra processing of the score. Some PieFed communities ignore karma earned on meme communities to prevent repost farming, but on MULTIVERSE, we just look at upvotes - downvotes, and unlike Reddit, your karma score means absolutely nothing for your ability to post on communities.
Does it still prevent people from replying to people that blocked them so the conversation can continue without the blocker?
Piefed seens to have a lot of issues baked into the code
Also piefed violates basic compatibility in fediverse: https://communick.news/comment/8015757
That’s actually some very interesting discussion down there.
Create a PR and fix it.
Lol, why? I don’t use Piefed and besides, I work on my own open source project.
But seriously, why would I contribute to a project I don’t use and have no association with?
Because it would address what you talk about above. You dont like it, fix it. Ive done it on quite a few fedi services, its not terribly hard. It makes the world just a tiny bit better.
That looks like one very specific issue rather than a lot of issues of something to really worry about.
Personally I haven’t noticed had any issues uploading images for posts.
The fact these filters exist in the first place are not a good sign. When Microsoft introduces new shitware that is “disabled by default” people are skeptical that it might not be disabled for long, but when a fediverse dev does it to block content they personally don’t like it’s fine? This goes against the entire concept of the fediverse imho. Just block people you don’t like yourself
it’s Python. It’s foss.
I’ve removed code I didn’t want in mine. (A feature I later re enabled).
If I want to add code, I do so. Or I remove code.
Microsoft is closed, and they are leveraging tons of cash to manipulate. Try turning off updates on a windows 11 machine… Is it just a toggle? What if Microsoft removes the option or requires… oh wait closed source and they already did.
All piefed has been doing is giving options.
Blame admins if you like but be honest about your intentions instead of this campism.
Masto and other fedi services give options of blanket blocks or filters, so arguing entire concept of fedi is nonsense.
It goes against your concept of the Fediverse. You are just as much trying to force your personal preference on others with this argument of slippery slope of Microsoft nonsense.
I think it is great if different instances have different profiles that cater to different audience instead of everything just being the same with different domain names. If it is all the same it may as well be a single instance and the entire point of federating is lost.
Microsoft does not operate on a federated model.
The Piefed devs have no way to change the configuration of other instances.
if only there was a way for devs to distribute changes to the software they made
If you believe that the Piefed devs would get away with overriding the configuration of other instances with an update, that’s not realistic.
Most of the Piefed users (myself included) would leave immediately.
What our experience is is the opposite: the Piefed dev team is always receptive to feedback, and improves the software based on this constantly.
It took 2 days for a PR to go though on piefed. It was a great experience.
Reading the code is VERY easy, even compared to other projects. I was able to get it up and running in about 30 mins with very little knowledge of the project. The “filters” are all optional on the admin side and instances can and have modified them to suit their needs.
Congrats @rimu@piefed.social ! Your project has gained “controversy”, the main way you can tell its getting successful 😁.
https://join.piefed.social/features/
And it’s not being developed by tankies.
piefed isn’t made by tankies
It’s made by feds.
wait are you sure? there was a lemmy admin talking about how the software is authoritarian and has a “social credit score” that sounds like what a tankie would put in
You mean the lemmy.ml admin? The tankie one trying to deflect and make PieFed out to be the bad guy?
I wonder if they mean the genocide-denying lemmy admin or the transphobic lemmy admin. It’s easy to mix those two guys up
Excuse me that’s transphobic and covid denying.
Oh boy oh boy, I think I’m about to receive a fun link with more Nutomic bad takes
I am really curious, who is it that goes around and slanders me behind my back? Why do they care so much what a random person on the internet says? And these are just some casual comments in an obscure online forum. Does this individual not have work to do, or friends to spend time with instead of this? So feel free to send me a private message with the username who sends these links.
Bullshit, you are lying.
Even your chief propagandist agrees that you’re deplorable.
No this person: https://feddit.dk/u/SorteKanin
I think I understand now and it is clear I need to make a new account on piefed
Piefed has two user rating systems. Your attitude, which is public, and allows people to see what your ratio of up votes to down votes is. The other being reputation, which is generally reserved for administration and moderation iirc. Which is an accumulation of how other people upvote and downvote you. Basically the sort of thing anyone could get just by looking at the public information just condensed all in one spot.
Anyone calling it social credit score is being disingenuous. The most controversial feature it has is its content filtering system, which is disabled by default.
PieFed updates faster, is responsive to suggestions and user concerns, has way more features such as polls, topics (groups of communities that can be made by users, helps to browse all comms related to a topic) automated posts, it combines cross-post comments into 1 page, etc.
And the Lemmy devs are transphobes, genocide deniers, support Russia invading Ukraine, etc. so there’s an ethical component to people not supporting it through using it.
Because I’m sure “they’ll” come and rage here once they see this post I’ll pre-empt it and say the dev for PieFed is not perfect, no one is, and they’ve got some code around minimising meme images and 4chan content based on their personal preferences, but that stuffs all optional and can be turned on or off by the instance admins.
Ew gross, fuck tankies. I’m really confused so both lemmy and piefed are tankie-adjacent?
No, Lemmy is fine. We may have our personal opinions on our things, but we never let them affect our work. A lot of admins and contributors also keep an eye on it. If you dont like how moderation works on a particular Lemmy instance, you can find a dozen other instances with different rules. As developers we could not even ban the clowns on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works if we wanted.
No, only Lemmy.
And also most of the things you said are simply wrong.
Any PieFed user can confirm the features are correct.
I could go digging through posts to find your well documented history of it, but I’ll quote your guy here because I have this on hand already and any ml user is going to trust their word.
Dessalines has a whole link spam dedicated to genocide denial and spreading Russian propaganda on Ukraine.
Or do you mean posting the previous thread on the brigading hatejerk comm?
Nice screenshot by the way, which leaves out 90% of the actual comment. Link for comparison. I wont even get into the other deceptions, you really are true to your name.
The rest of the comment isn’t about you, so why would I include it?
What a deceptive reply you’ve made trying to frame it as if I left out information that reflected differently on you.
Ah yes because one sentence by someone you dislike is enough basis to judge a different person that you dislike. Why dont you do something useful with your live, instead of hating on people who actually create something useful?
One sentence literally saying your views on the subject are deplorable are great evidence of your shitty views when that person is one of the most trusted figures in your instance.
Why do you think anything about Rimu not liking tankies validates your deplorable views? That was clearly an attempt at deception.
All the people upvote you, it’s only “them” who downvote you. You have a clear picture of the world around you!
I said nothing about votes.
I’m talking about the hatejerk comm where they brigaded from the last time this image was posted and spammed it with misinformation.
They are similar platforms and they federate, i.e. you can see all Lemmy content with a Piefed account and vice versa.
Piefed provides sections or slices of the fediverse and often is incorporated with mastodon, whereas Lemmy is a much bigger aspect of the overall fediverse. While everyone is entitled to their option how they approach certain topics, Lemmy’s devs have a huge impact on federation protocols, moderation norms, and general user experience across the fediverse!
The original version of this has Lemmy on there. Why replace with piefed? Could have added instead of replaced.
I’ve tried to promote Lemmy on Reddit in the past, only to be met with people complaining about the really old UI and bad UX, they also complain about tankies.
PieFed doesn’t have that bad rep, so I’ve found it easier to promote, both lead to the Fedivers so either is a win.
If I make posts promoting Lemmy on reddit it gets a lot of criticism in the comments becose of the above reasons, so I promote PieFed instead.
You don’t need to recommend Lemmy as a software in general. It’s better to recommend a specific instance which matches the target audience.
Most users that have joines in the last week has been because I recommend a specific.
Link to a Photon Frontend then?
Not all instances have Photon UI, and that just adds more friction and confusion.
Now I have to explain to users why the default FE is garbage and why they should use Photon. And when I’ve promoted https://p.lemmy.world/ in the past I get people telling me to fuck off because I’m sharing dodgy virus links.
The Fediverse’s biggest onboarding problem is having too many choices that seem important but don’t really matter. Namely, which instance to sign up on. Listing two different platforms that do the same thing and even federate with each other would only make it worse. I’m guessing that’s why they only listed one.
As for why choose one over the other, I don’t have a horse in this race, I’m sure they had their reasons.
Except it does matter which instance you choose because they choose to defederate with other instances, it may be an instance run by one person who disappears, on a huge instance that collapses, etc.
There’s not really a way to migrate totally, AFAIK, so if you choose wrong, you start over. This has been my actual user experience. Kbin was my first choice because of UI and mastodon integration. That instance died when the Dev disappeared. Then I moved to lemm.ee thinking that a large instance surely would stay up. It didn’t.
So “it doesn’t matter” which instance you choose. Except it also kind of does.
Yeah, you’re right, and that sucks. Mastodon is much better at this.
I mean, the way to use Lemmy/Piefed is to have multiple accounts. You don’t need to “migrate” anything, just start using it.
I do see this tendency from people coming from reddit to kind of fetishize the “status” of their accounts and try to preserve everything they’ve ever said as if anyone cares, but that seems both unhealthy and unrealistic. Nobody is digging through your posts from 6 months ago for content, and no one will care that you haven’t reposted all your passing thoughts to a new instance.
If you look at the users who are active across multiple accounts, they’re recognizable without worrying about what instance they’re on. Like I have no idea what instances Stamets or cm0002 or whatever are using at the moment or how many of their posts exist where and I don’t really care. I read my current feed, comment a little, post once in a while, and it seems like that’s what most people do.
Do you walk around with a tape recorder meticulously archiving every spoken conversation you have in real life? Would such a thing make your interactions more significant? Just keep that shit in your brain and the collective memory of interactions with others and get on with your life.
I don’t care about some karma number, but yeah, I definitely like to see some conversations I’ve had, or things I’ve upvoted because I maybe would like to share them later in a conversation.
So yeah, I like having the record for me.
We were also talking about getting more people on the platform and you are basically showing exactly why others hate this place. My criticism is valid and something a normal person would notice. You came in and wrote a small diatribe about… Not what I was talking about.
No, I don’t obsessively go over everything I’ve ever said. But I sure do sometimes want to revisit, rethink and repost things.
I literally use Piefed every single day and am enthusiastic about the growth of the Fediverse. If it can’t even take internal criticism from regular users with a vested interest it isn’t ready for outside interest.
As someone who’s trying to regularly promote the Threadiverse on Reddit, most of the potential new joiners are already overwhelmed with having to choose an instance, so adding another choice between two platforms will just stop them even earlier.
Regarding the choice of Piefed, it has quite a few features that Lemmy doesn’t have:
- multicommunities
- onboarding process asking new joiners what they are into
- crossposts comments consolidation
- communities moderation features
- posts and user flairs
- keyword filters
https://join.piefed.social/features/
Lemmy should get there in version 1.0, but they still don’t have any precise timeframe for that release, and still need to do some testing https://lemmy.ml/comment/23570258
You might see a few people discrediting Piefed for some optional filters it offers, but all of those filters are configurable by admins and disabled by default: https://piefed.zip/c/fediverse/p/1005977/piefed-admin-settings-that-allow-to-enable-or-disable-content-filters-they-are-disabled-by
There doesn’t need to be a replacement for everything. How much does the world need to revolve around a random person’s hot-take in 140 characters or as many seconds. These are artificial walls.
So uh, you joined lemmy why then?
I joined because I got banned from Reddit. Unjustly I claim.
FTFY
I’ve tried to promote Lemmy on Reddit in the past, only to be met with people complaining about the really old UI and bad UX, they also complain about tankies.
PieFed doesn’t have that bad rep, so I’ve found it easier to promote, both lead to the Fedivers so either is a win.
UX/UI are only as bad as the client is. For me, Lemmy is indistinguishable from reddit (if you don’t look at numbers of comments), because I use Lemmy Sync, as I used Reddit Sync before
I used Lemmy for months, mostly in the browser and my UX was absolutely horrible.
The default browser UI sucks.
I had to try many different settings and eventually through a lot of effort found the Photon UI, which is nice.
The vast majority of users just won’t go through that effort. PieFed’s default UI is quite clean and modern and much nicer to use, which it why promote it instead
I honestly use the Voyager web client in my desktop PC, it works pretty well.
I used Lemmy for months, mostly in the browser and my UX was absolutely horrible.
The default browser UI sucks.
How long ago? It was a bit flaky a couple of years ago but for me now it’s perfect - like Reddit UI before it enshittified.
I’m sorry but the default Lemmy UI is objectively bad, it breaks so many UX principles.
Photon is good, but go to Lemmy.world and it looks like a website built in the early 90’s
If it looks like anything of the past then it looks like the web from 10-15 years ago pre-mass-enshittification, maybe people have forgotten what non user hostile websites look like.
Photon has infinite scrolling, which is horrible.
Yes there’s been enshitification, but not everything has gotten worse. UI’s are much better than the past.
Why is infinite scrolling a bad UX? It saves the user from clicking next-page
You could argue that it’s dark-ux, but it’s not bad-ux
I use the the apk called “Thunder” and it does a fantastic job. Much better than just using the website of here or reddit.
Okay then recommend Lemmy with PhotonUI?
Too much friction, and that’s really bad UX.
And now you have to explain to people why the default UI sucks. I tried to promote https://p.lemmy.world/ to people, and they tell me to get lost with that dodgy virus link.
Don’t link p.lemmy.world. it’s well over a year out of date.
phtn.app probably looks a bit less suspicious, and also lets you use any Lemmy/Piefed instance.
You could say it as “phtn.app is a web portal for the fediverse” or something like that because the concept of web apps is confusing to many
People are very sensitive and suspect of dodgy links.
If you tell someone ‘hey checkout lemmy, PS the default UI sucks so actually go to phtn.app’
they simply don’t click and think you’re trying to scam them
That’s just fine. Don’t worry yourself too much. I don’t know about everyone else, but I only want the people open to making a switch here. If you’re so put off by trying something new that you aren’t willing to give it a chance, then I’m not going to be begging for you to join my community.
In what ways does the Lemmy UI suck? I would appreciate feedback in order to improve it. For what its worth I only use the default UI on desktop and mobile, and like it a lot.
Any actions you need to take that could have been avoided = bad UX.
Any time you need to think and not immediately know what to do next = bad UX.
Sadly we’re in a time where users expect their hand to be held the whole time and where they expect zero effort to be put in and everything to just work.
For me the biggest issue with default Lemmy is, why do I have to click on a image post to view the image, when it could just have defaulted to a bigger size?
I don’t understand your problem. Can’t you just tap the image to see it larger? I don’t have to click an image post like you claim to.
They seem to want new reddit ui and not understand most hate that ui/ux
But I don’t want a bunch of huge images in my face. Isn’t that what pixelfed and Instagramy things are for? I only want to click on the things I’m interested in, not be shown an ugly frustrating stream of giant, semi-traumatic political pictures one after the other. Thumbnails exist for a reason and claiming they’re bad UX is incorrect, it’s the industry standard design pattern for any control that allows a user to browse quickly through multiple images or to provide an impression to a user before they decide whether or not to open the full content.
Lemmie/piefed is more about text and conversations so titles should always be the largest clearest part so you can read them quickly to know whether you want to engage with the post or not. Otherwise, how is it different from pixelfed? Likes vs upvotes is not a big difference.
I tried out a handful of Lemmy apps and Thunder is what I used for most of it but then switched to Summit. There’s aspects I like about both and aspects I dislike about both, but they don’t have a bad UI.
i recommend trying out thunder, I just switched from sync.
It’s foss and actively developed
I’m checking in with voyager here, and I came from the reddit Apollo app and I feel the same.
It was practically seamless, though I’ve considered switching to try out other clients.
Tried Piefed and find it clunky with my current level of familiarity
“Complain about tankies” it’s the same fediverse… With the same content…
Sure but PieFed doesn’t seem to have a tankie problem. They’re blocked from what I’ve seen.
Even if that wasn’t the case, PieFed doesn’t have a reputation for having a tankie problem.
The bottom line is when I promote PieFed I don’t get people on reddit telling me the UI sucked and that it’s flooded with pro-russia propaganda.
So I find it more efficient to promote PieFed
Anyone can instance can defederate from any other instance in Lemmy, not that hard to understand.
I agree, and I think it’s a shame it has gotten to this point, but I understand his viewpoint completely and have seen the interactions myself. At this point it’s simply more efficient to promote Piefed on Reddit instead of Lemmy, because you want the absolute least amount of friction for potential new users. Literally any single minor inconvenience/negative thing will cause people to not even consider trying it out. Lemmy has unfortunately already accumulated a reputation, and if you promote it you are very likely to run into comments about tankies which is typically enough to scare potential new users away.
At the end of the day it shouldn’t matter to us which software people use, as long as we get more new users into the ecosystem.
Piefed starts out with poisoning the ecosystem, as linked here quite a few times by redwizard.
Sadly piefed isnt innocent either, they are trying to poison the AP protocol: https://communick.news/comment/8015757
People will always find some excuse to do nothing and stay on Reddit. Whether its Lemmy or Piefed you will only ever get a few people to switch.
It’s a shame to see that people think of Lemmy creators as some sort of villains.
I created my account on .ml before the Reddit blackout, but there wasn’t much content there, so I didn’t use it much. I properly started using it after the “Reddit blackout,” and that’s when I learned about the so-called “tankie problem.” I’ve met people with weird opinions, but the developers and Marxists in general aren’t bad people. People just usually make a strawmen to argue against.
Anyway, none of their opinions are reflected in the software. Lemmy is done in a truly democratic and user-respectful way, and I respect them for it.
Those guys aren’t Marxists, they’re mentally unstable Americans with a fetish authoritarianism.
The Lemmy devs? I’d suggest to read what they actually write. The are good guys.
But I also don’t think it matters. For example, I don’t really like the behavior of the Duckstation dev (PS1 emulator). But I don’t have to agree with him in order to use it.
PieFed has its own share of dodgy stuff:
For different UI you can linnk people to blorp, vger.app or phtn.app. There are also a lot of mobile apps.
I hear that, but the thing is anyone can block whatever/whoever they feel the need to in the fediverse. I truly believe server admins should federate across the board, as it’s a disservice to end users only allowing federation with certain servers based on admin preference.
As far as UI and UX go, Lemmy’s devs are some of the biggest players in the overall fediverse functionality. So while the UI/UX could use some more attention in select areas, being able to interact with the other platforms is a much bigger aspect to the appeal of the fediverse! The Lemmy devs really do deserve a lot more credit for their work, regardless on their opinions or how the approach discussing them.
Lemmy doesn’t truly block stuff and the devs refuse to fix that
Granted I browse Lemmy via voyager on Mobile, and Alexandrite on desktop, but this has never been an issue. I find it incredibly easy to block stuff, and curate what I want to see
Really? Huh, I have a decent amount of communities blocked and I’ve never seen a single post from anyone of them after implementing the block
I’m assuming they mean it isn’t a two way block. Blocked users can still interact with your posts/comments, you just can’t see them. I personally think that should be how it works, but I’ve seen a lot of arguments for the Reddit-style blocking where they can’t interact with you anymore.
User level community and instance blocks will stop you from seeing posts from those places, but it does not block their users or their comments, so you’d still be able to see them around in non-blocked communities.
You can also establish a user block though too, so if their comments in unblocked communities are making your experience less than ideal, just block that user.
can anyone eli5 what the difference is from piefeed to lemmy? i have a lemmy account, do i have a use for a piefeed accnt too?
Its up to you. They are different software but both read lemmy and Piefed communities and instances.
ok thanks. sorry someone downvoted you
PieFed has flair and topics, which make it easier to find content you like.
oh cool. thanks for the info :3
To me. It’s the same thing but PieFed has better UX and more featues.
Which one you pick is for the most part irrelevant.
thanks for the input. im gonna chekc out piefed
