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      Having xAI accessing a billion of users conversations? They are going to have the most “educated” LLM. Also isn’t xAI getting subsidies from the government? Literalły workers of America are paying to spy, again

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        The funny thing is, half of Telegram is drugs, conspiracy nuts and really weird humour. The ai is going to be great, I can already see it.

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      AI companies paying or straight up buying other businesses to spread their disease has become their go-to strategy as of late.

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      Agreed, but which one has easy to use bots and integration into the *arr apps? I used telegram to send notifications about new movies and episodes.

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        Me too. Switched to pushover. Arrrrrr apps support it just fine. And it’s free.

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        I really need some free time in my life to try those arrs with unraid, and telegram bots too…

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      Or is xAI paying for access to Telegram conversations to train Grok?

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      This is the real take away from all this. xAI is trying hard to keep up with the big-boys and has to pay a shit ton of money just to be in the game. xAI’s revenue will be in the deep red for a long time at this rate.

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      If only any of my friends would have it… I have a lot of contacts on telegram, and on signal there’s like 1. Even my furry friends are not on there

      There are some active chats on matrix, but I don’t know why on signal

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        Maybe if you tell them that an LLM is being trained on all their “private” conversations now, they will change their mind?

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      I tried to switch to Signal but it feels so damn barren compared to Telegram :(

      I want to love it but they make it hard

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        Signal by design can’t and won’t support big group chats.

        Frankly Telegram is socially a reiteration of IRC plus blogs. There are groups where people chat, there are channels where posts have comments. Posts and their comments are visible in the associated group, so all the life of a community is in one place. That’s important for small groups and mobile devices.

        Because these two things in the 00s web accounted for most of life.

        A TG alternative with ActivityPub identities and proper secret chats would be nice, of course.

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          The only problem with Telegram = IRC angle is that I can’t scroll up in IRC to see what I missed throughout the day. I legitimately would love to switch my friend group to a self-hosted IRC server, but chat history is important.

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          I don’t know about any of this. I pretty much only have looked into it for porn and bootlegs of academic papers. Feels like I’m missing out on all the ‘fun’ of ai chats and cult groups.

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        My biggest gripe with it is about electron. I refuse to keep it running on my PC. Even the damned Whatsapp converted to something better.

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      signal has sticker packs

      wait it does? maybe then I can convince my contacts to move there xD Seriously stickers are the main selling point of Telegram for us

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    Telegram ASTOUNDS me.

    Like, there’s been several instances of them outwardly admitting that their security sucks, not to use it for encrypted chats, that they just give logs away to world governments, and yet thousands of crypto bros and bots use telegram to function, EVEN ZLIBRARY, who could just as easily set up and use Matrix, has a Telegram bot for downloading books.

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      Their bot api is very easy to use. I have made some telegram bots because is so easy. Tried to do the same with WhatsApp and didn’t even get permission and api access.

      Average Joes use mainstream things, if you want to do something accessible, these bots are the way. Ideally, you want them to download or use an app that does some hand holding. I’m all up to the fediverse but let’s be honest, it has some non intuitive things for today’s user, most were trained to understand and like centralized services. They vaguely understand and use emails today, and mostly for account creation of other platforms.

      Disclaimer: haven’t tried to make signal bots, they are a thing?

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        No disrespect towards you or your response (which is a good response, btw) – but the Bot API being good means absolutely nothing when the core app is garbage. By “garbage”, I mean that it ignores basic best-practices (like not E2EE everything, which they claimed wasn’t possible with device sync – but look at FB Messenger, Signal, Whatsapp, etc all able to do it).

        Nobody is allowed to ask me why that matters. Because the answer is $300 Million.

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          It matters because when you try to build something new, you choose the path of least resistance. I’m not justifying it, I’m explaining it. Also, guess who doesn’t gives shit about E2EE? Average Joes.

          I agree with you, but still your idea of garbage is not shared by the general population. Remember that telegram got traction because it falsely claimed that it was secure, or at least more secure than WhatsApp.

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      I don’t know why people stuck with it. I’ve used it; I get that a lot of the initial success/hype was:

      • It’s not owned by Meta
      • “Putin hates Durov!”
      • “Unlimited” storage (lots of people using it as free cloud storage, which is dumb if you value your files)

      But your messages are not E2EE by default (only “Secret Chats”, which aren’t synced across devices)…Telegram (the organization) could always read your messages. I said this so many times and got called everything under the sun.

      “Why would they care about my messages though?” ------> Because $300 Million.

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    So, a software that is owned by US politician is working together with software that has links to Russian government?

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    There doesn’t seem to be any such thing as “good” AI, but there’s definitely a “worst” one, and Telegram chose it. Nice job, assholes.

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    Wondering how long has this been cooking? A year or so ago musk started attacking signal for no discernible reason and recommending telegram instead.

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    now telegram is going to insert random information about South African White genocide to every conversation. or it will be in every recommended reply at least.

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    If anybody still believed in Telegram’s trustworthiness, it should now be dispelled.

    (Only kidding, there’s plenty of people who still “believe” in both Durov and Musk)

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      Honestly, Telegramm always seemed to me a bit shifty since I learnt E2EE for chats was opt-in.

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        Been saying this for years. Then they introduced Premium to “help fund things” (but they’re also taking $300 MILLION from Elon, and giving them access to user data.

        So will basic features stop being paywalled now? Or are people going to have to keep paying to stop random people from messaging them?