It’s brief, around 25:15

https://youtube.com/watch?v=nf7XHR3EVHo

If you’ve been sitting on making a post about your favorite instance, this could be a good opportunity to do so.

Going by our registration applications, a lot of people are learning about the fediverse for the first time and they’re excited about the idea. I’ve really enjoyed reading through them :)

    • rayyy@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      3 months ago

      Exactly! All a person has to do is to look around - the right buys up all popular media platforms and converts them to propaganda outlets.

    • unknown1234_5@kbin.earth
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      3 months ago

      mastodon is already the next twitter, bluesky is just a direct copy of it with nothing keeping it from going the same way. mastodon is open source (can’t be corpoed), federated (can talk to other platforms/instances so being on a small one doesn’t hurt anything), and most importantly, uses a protocol that doesn’t make self-hosting impossible due to storage requirements.

    • dan1101@lemm.eeEnglish
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      3 months ago

      I signed up today. I never liked Twitter but I will give it a try. Steam (PC gaming platform) is a member so that’s a plus for me.

    • commander@lemmings.worldEnglish
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      3 months ago

      Why bluesky instead of mastodon? It’s like saying lemmy.world is going to replace reddit instead of the Lemmy platform.

      Are you just commenting how the people who use something like twitter are eager to be herded like sheep into the next walled garden?

      Are you part of the bluesky viral marketing campaign to make it artificially seem like it’s “already won”?

      • Dojan@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        3 months ago

        I’m wondering this too People are hyped about bluesky but it is the same corpo bullshit that Twitter is. I mean it is literally by the same dude. Why fold?,

        • JacksonLamb@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          3 months ago

          Bizarre that you and that other guy thought “will become the next Twitter” was some sort of praise. It’s not.

          • Dojan@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            3 months ago

            I think it’s more bizarre that you think “same corpo bullshit that Twitter is” is some kind of praise.

            • JacksonLamb@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              3 months ago

              If you don’t agree with the person above you, maybe don’t start your comment with

              I’m wondering this too.

              Accusing people of being shills for commenting that bluesky is going to become (shitty) like twitter is out of pocket.

        • redacted2@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          3 months ago

          Didnt Dorsey already walk from it and gave the reason that it is headed the same way twitter is. Bluesky is being pushed by capitalists because it is a for profit company just like twitter and facebook.

      • Uri@infosec.pubEnglish
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        3 months ago

        When I said bluesky will be the next Twitter did I said Twitter is a good place. Twitter is now bullshit.

      • supersquirrel@sopuli.xyzEnglish
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        3 months ago

        Why bluesky instead of mastodon?

        Because there is only so much oxygen in the room, and corporate ventures like Bluesky seem to come into really exciting DIY community spaces that are creating amazing things and pull the oxygen out of the room while never quite delivering on what they are promising… or seeming to promise… and in the mean time the projects that originally created the innovative energy in the space are lost in the noise.

        I mean… see basically the entire early history of the commercialization of personal computers for endless repetitions of this pattern.

        Remember we are not the customers of corporate social media companies, we are the raw husks they extract value from through surveillance capitalism and ads/paid content.

  • Victor@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    3 months ago

    Really hoping legislators in Sweden don’t force Signal to pull its services from the country. 🫣

    • badmin@lemm.eeEnglish
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      3 months ago

      Signal has been questionable for years. The way it’s been pushed hardly, and how Moxie is emeritus, while much more questionable people are in control, doesn’t fill one with confidence, and does ring some alarm bells. The relative proximity to some in the US establishment should be enough to do that. And the way some have been designating anyone who questions Signal as “Russian Propaganda” and immediately deflecting about how Telegram is bad, is even more curious.

      Frankly, I would trust something like Wire more than Signal. And there are other options too.

      Ideally, something with good security/privacy and is fully P2P would become popular. But those apps/networks never make it mainstream, which is unfortunate.

      • Victor@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        3 months ago

        There is a lot in here that I don’t understand.

        1. What’s wrong with Moxie? You mean it’s weird he’s an emeritus and not part of the board?
        2. What’s “much more questionable” about the other people? From the descriptions on that page they all seem like standup people.
        3. Could you explain the “relative proximity to some in the US establishment” bit? That was too vague for me to grasp.
        4. “some have been designating anyone who questions Signal as ‘Russian Propaganda’ and immediately deflecting about how Telegram is bad, is even more curious.” — Who has done this, you mean? And why exactly is it “curious”?

        Honestly, there was nothing at all in there that I understood, due to how vague it all was. I would appreciate it if you or someone could fill me in here, because it’s important to know who’s driving this thing, and if the platform can be trusted. I just want to not go by some vague rumors before I make up my mind.

    • Vinstaal0@feddit.nlEnglish
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      3 months ago

      What legislation would do that? Would they want access to your messages or something?

  • shoulderoforion@fedia.io
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    3 months ago

    I’ve been off Twitter for over almost two years now, on to Federated Mastodon and Mbin, and while I’ve often spoke against BlueSky, having been founded by Jack, after Jack let Twitter become infested with Nazis for engagement, then sold it to Elon Musk who he knew was going to kill it, when the world started to come to an end two weeks ago, I needed to be plugged in, so signed up for a BlueSky account. There’s simply not enough communication happening on Mastodon, not enough people, not discussing the things I’m interested in.

    The Fediverse is also a sewer of both overt and covert Antisemitism, where any pro Jewish or pro Israel content is mysteriously “moderated” by antisemites under the guise of political progressivism, which makes it so much less attractive.

    So I swallowed my hatred of Jack, and have been “skeeting” on BlueSky just as I did Twitter for all those years, blocking out the Jew hate there (it is legion), and realizing in the end, that’s more important to me, connection to live events and discussion as they’re happening to get the best collective overview of any given event

    • NOT_RICK@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      3 months ago

      Having seen many of your comments across lemmy, I feel like you equate a lot of criticism of the state of Israel’s policies and actions with antisemitism. I acknowledge people who hate Jews exist and are definitely on the internet, but I find knee jerk accusations of antisemitism to be intellectually lazy.

      • subignition@fedia.io
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        3 months ago

        seriously - too many people see criticism of Israel’s government and read it as condemnation of all Jews. As if it’s the case that that government represents all Jewish people worldwide (or even all Jewish people in Israel…!)

        It’s like people are thinking that wanting Israel to stop its genocide also means there should be another genocide targeting Jews?? Nuance beyond that sort of black-and-white polarized viewpoint seems to be increasingly dead.

        • IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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          3 months ago

          The lack of nuance when discussing that conflict is one of the biggest issues I have. So many people seem to see it as “The Israeli genocide is bad, therefore Hamas is good”. In reality, you have shitty people with power fighting shitty people without power, and civilians getting shafted by both.

      • jol@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
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        3 months ago

        Yup. I’m always wary of people lumping anti zionism, anti Israel government, and anti semitism all in the same bag.

    • fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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      3 months ago

      Oh come on, it’s not like you’re any better yourself. I’ve seen your comments around lemmy, and most were racist towards arabs.

      what genocide? arabs attack, rape, and murder, then esconce the terrorists directly in and between civilian populations for the sole reason so that when israel responds the body count can be escalated and used as public relations. genocide. shame on you.

      I don’t recall doing any of that.

      Anti zionism =/= anti semitism.

    • Baron Von J@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      3 months ago

      Jack isn’t involved with BlueSky anymore. He left the board when they told him to fuck off with his push to get rid of moderation.

      I’ve got nothing to add to the other replies on your mischaracterization of antio-Zionist as anti-Semitism.

    • Fitik@fedia.io
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      3 months ago

      I’m Jewish myself and I completely agree with you… Sadly it exists on a pretty much every social media, but BlueSky has a unique feature called sharable block lists/mute lists, I believe they call it “stacked moderation”, I’ve subscribed to a few of those and it has blocked 90% of antisemites/terrorism sympathisers, I kinda wish some Fedi platform would have a similar feature as well

    • palordrolap@fedia.io
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      3 months ago

      The Fediverse is also a sewer of both overt and covert Antisemitism

      Is this a problem unique to the Fediverse, or is this a case that it’s more rampant here? Or does it only seem like it?

      My feeds are fairly well curated, or perhaps you might say “blinkered”, so I don’t see a lot of it. Or maybe I don’t see what’s right in front of me, which is why I ask, since you definitely see it better than I can.

      (This is not an attempt at a bad faith argument; I’m firmly anti-anti-Semitism, and I’m not saying it’s not there. Frankly, I’d be surprised if there wasn’t any. Anywhere there’s people, their prejudices generally follow.)

      • shoulderoforion@fedia.io
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        3 months ago

        “Lemmy” seems to have be started, and disseminated, by the Hard European Tankie Left, who Administer and Moderate most of it’s instances, and what seems to inform the ongoing moderation of any Pro Israel or Pro Jewish voice that has the temerity to defend itself. Lemmy Kilmister owned the largest personal collection of Nazi memorabilia in the world for years up until his death, and just like every other monster you’ve ever heard of who made that particular obsession the centerpiece of their interest, it probably should have factored in when naming a social media 'verse after. I fully expect all my comments on this to be mysteriously “moderated” as well.

        • Baron Von J@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          3 months ago

          Hard European Tankie Left, who Administer and Moderate most of it’s instances

          Weapons grade balognium. There’s ml and Lemmygrad, sure, but that’s not “most” instances by a long shot.

        • OmarDontScare@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          3 months ago

          If BlueSky is full of Jew hate, “it’s legion”, but you’re still using it over Mastodon and Mbin, doesn’t that contradict the idea that antisemitism makes a platform unattractive? If it were your main issue, wouldn’t both be equally bad? Seems like the deciding factor is engagement for you personally, not what moderation happens or doesn’t happen.

          If antisemitism were the real deal-breaker, you wouldn’t be on BlueSky either.

        • OpenStars@piefed.socialEnglish
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          3 months ago

          It’s been 3 hours and your comment is still here…

          “Moderate” no, “Influence” yes. I see what you seemed to be trying to say: the Lemmy codebase is fairly authoritian e.g. lacks any way to contact a mod to find out why something was removed, even going so far as to obscure the name of the account that did it, simply saying “mod”.

          So them being the ones who provide the codebase definitely “influences” us here, but on the other hand they provide the code for free, and anyone at all could make a fork off from it, and administer their own instance however they see fit. Or, as K/Mbin, PieFed, and Sublinks have all done, make their own Reddit replacement Threadiverse software entirely from scratch.

          See e.g. !fediverselore@lemmy.ca (here’s a start to a post) that proves that people on the Fediverse are allowed to criticize the main Lemmy developers, while still using Lemmy software.

          On a personal note I will add: we can respect certain aspects of those people, even as we criticize other aspects, just as we do the same internally inside of our very selves.

    • astro_ray@piefed.socialEnglish
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      3 months ago

      Someone on mastodon told me, if you haven’t found someone on fedi, you ate probably not looking hard enough. But no, I don’t think they are on fedi

      • CMLVI@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        3 months ago

        Someone is wrong lol. NFL, for example, cannot do anything outside of Twitter at this time. They are apparently working on it, but it’s gotta be implemented league-wide, so it’s taking some time. Idk if they’re even trying to get onto Mastodon, last I heard it was just Bluesky.

        This is a large org with hundreds of millions of fans, with no presence on Fediverse really. I’m sure there are mirror accounts, but none are official.

  • legolas@fedit.plEnglish
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    3 months ago

    It’s crazy how the wind changed. Does anyone remeber the almost exact same thing 4 years ago, when people on the right side of political spectrum shared alternatives to big tech from their point ov view? GAB.COM, PARLER, BRAVE, DUCKDUCKGO etc

    XD

      • grue@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        3 months ago

        Brave’s business model is a crypto scam wrapped in a protection racket. It man-in-the-middles the site’s ads, replacing them with Brave’s own, then holds the revenue hostage unless the site gives legitimacy to Brave’s crypto by accepting it as payment.

        For comparison, “normal” ad-blocking consists of an end-user exercising his property right to control the operation of his own computer by programming it not to display the ads at all.

        Hopefully you can see how the thing Brave does is very different, and much more ethically fraught.

      • FundMECFS@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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        3 months ago

        It’s not explicitly rightwing.

        A couple years ago Musk was recommending Signal.

        It’s just an example of right wing people recommending alternatives.

    • misk@sopuli.xyzEnglish
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      3 months ago

      In both cases it was primarily performative for Americans but this time there will be considerable chunk of Europeans who will be looking to leave big tech for services in non-hostile countries.

  • imaqtpie@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    3 months ago

    I wish he had mentioned Lemmy, but it’s understandable that he didn’t. Also Bluesky isn’t an alternative to big tech, it IS big tech. I wish it wasn’t stealing so much of our publicity lately.

    But beggars can’t be choosers, and we have seen some nice growth over the past couple months. John Oliver fans are the perfect candidates to join the fediverse, hopefully some of them find their way to Lemmy.

    • anachronology@fedia.io
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      3 months ago

      Agreed, but at least Bluesky is a public benefit corporation, so it supposed to take in the needs of society as well as profit in its decision-making. That may not be much, but it’s a start.

      • Dil@is.hardlywork.ingEnglish
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        3 months ago

        If I was losing money and wanted to mantain control over the public id become a public benefit corp too

      • Zaktor@sopuli.xyzEnglish
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        3 months ago

        “Public benefit corporation” is a meaningless designation. All it means is they have the option of putting their mission over their shareholders, not that they are obligated to do so.

      • imaqtpie@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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        3 months ago

        I’m not familiar with the details of that, but it seems like more of a red herring to me. A form of controlled opposition to divert people away from truly revolutionary platforms.

        Of course it has to seem like a plausible alternative, but is it actually decentralized or altruistic enough to make a meaningful difference? I think not.

        • Evkob (they/them)@lemmy.caEnglish
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          3 months ago

          “Public benefit corporation” is such an oxymoron, I know it’s cliché to say this but it reads like something out of 1984.

          If your goal is truly to benefit the public, why wouldn’t you start a non-profit? It’s because they want profits, which will always be at odds with the interests of the public.

          • Revan343@lemmy.caEnglish
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            3 months ago

            If your goal is truly to benefit the public, why wouldn’t you start a non-profit?

            Because your non-profit isn’t likely to go anywhere; Capitalists don’t give significant money to non-profits, but they’ll invest in a public benefit corporation because of the potential for profit. The corporation can then take their money and use it for whatever public benefit it intends to work towards. It’s a workaround to try and scrape some benefit to society out of capital, that otherwise wouldn’t exist.

            Whether Bluesky is actually a good example of a public benefit corporation or not, I have no idea, I don’t use it.

        • LillyPip@lemmy.caEnglish
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          3 months ago

          You’re absolutely right, but as a UxD, until these platforms learn UxD, they’ll never work. They can’t.

          It doesn’t matter how great they are, the vast majority of people won’t learn. And they shouldn’t have to. That’s why big commercial apps are better – good designers need to eat, and big companies can pay for their eggs.

          It doesn’t matter how good your model is, without great UxD, you’re dead in the water.

        • Baron Von J@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          3 months ago

          Their protocol allows for federated relay servers, but I’m not aware of anyone having done the exercise of launching one.

          • pixelscript@lemm.eeEnglish
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            3 months ago

            That’s because, to my understanding, the prerequisite to be able to launch one is “handle the raw, unfiltered firehose of all the traffic on the entire platform”. A relay has to be a mirror of the entire company’s hosting infastructure, and you’d have to essentially do it for free. It’s no puzzle to me why no one’s done it yet.

      • rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish
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        3 months ago

        I’m really not happy about bluesky their fragmentation of the fediverse protocols

        shrug, I wish they were with us, but they are also a big ole corporate entity, so I’m kind ok with us staying our our side of the fence. As they need to implement payment and corporate protections to their network, we’re free to be free over here.

        is only going to harm us in the long run.

        We don’t have to play ball. not with them anyway,

        I think, If we have any credible threat, it’s going to be from the Governmental gross anti-tampering laws, forced moderation, or backup regulations. They could make it legally difficulty for us to exist.

        • kudra@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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          3 months ago

          I think, If we have any credible threat, it’s going to be from the Governmental gross anti-tampering laws, forced moderation, or backup regulations. They could make it legally difficulty for us to exist

          This. I have considerable concern that Fascists will straight up ban Fedi if enough people shift to it. They don’t like not being able to control everything, Fedi is far too much actual freedom of communication.

            • kudra@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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              3 months ago

              They’d shut down large instances, pressure WordPress to remove support, in the US at least, it could be seen as too risky, if they wanted to they would find a way. I don’t think this would happen easily in the EU though.

            • rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish
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              3 months ago

              You make laws like the Online Safety Act in the UK. You then attach a multi-million dollar fine to anyone who doesn’t adhere to the bonkers unenforceable stipulations in the text.

              All of a sudden, no one but a corporation with a legal department can safely run an instance without putting their money and eventually freedom on the line.

              They might not be able to just stop it, but you can force us into a pirate scenario where we have to do it in the dark.

              We are likely starting to slowly head into 1984 territory. IF Fascim continues to rise, eventually, non-state-run media will be deemed unlawful and they’ll do what they can to make it go away.

                • rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish
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                  3 months ago

                  When they get serious about encryption they will make tor illegal as well.

                  Tor will not hide you from the feds once they decide they really want to go after encryption. They can either own enough endpoints to find you directly or simply go and shut down all the endpoints. Or, If they have other IP leaks that are unpublished…

                  On the upside they are firing most of the competent people in government so there’s a chance the CIA can’t do that anymore

      • Dil@is.hardlywork.ingEnglish
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        3 months ago

        Bluesky was always twitters goal, they were losing hella money, so they devloped blue sky.

    • tomenzgg@midwest.socialEnglish
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      3 months ago

      Also Bluesky isn’t an alternative to big tech, it IS big tech. I wish it wasn’t stealing so much of our publicity lately.

      This; I’m so sick of hearing it pop up when people mention alternatives.

      • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        3 months ago

        I’m not sure anyone mentions bluesky as an alternative to big tech.

        Pretty sure they only mention it as an alternative to musk/X.

        • Pika@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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          3 months ago

          This right here, the everyday person doesn’t know what federation is let alone believes that it’s an alternative to federated platforms. They see it as a better Twitter that’s not run by Musk and honestly that’s all they need to know.

          • commander@lemmings.worldEnglish
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            3 months ago

            and honestly that’s all they need to know.

            Err… why are we suggesting the corporate-owned and centralized bluesky over Mastodon then?

            Oh right, viral marketing and useful idiots. I shouldn’t have expected more.

          • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            3 months ago

            Holy shit! A sane rational Lemmy user in the /c/Fediverse community! Someone who sees the bigger picture, and isn’t just reacting to this small niche area of the internet.

            Look, I love Lemmy, but I can’t sit by and act like just because something is a better service, and makes logical sense to use, that people will ever have even heard of it. That’s not how PEOPLE work. Yes, Lemmy is better than reddit. But no, Lemmy will not overtake reddit in usercount maybe in my lifetime. Unless reddit gets sold, and then plummets into death like myspace did. Then Lemmy wins by default, but it’s not the same thing.

            And everyone (well, everyone but you I guess) most people on this community seems to miss all that.

            • ApollosArrow@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              3 months ago

              I think the uphill battle here is that a good amount of the active users on lemmy are probably very tech savvy. The percentage of us who aren’t, are doing it wrong in their eyes.

              • Pika@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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                3 months ago

                Fully Agree.

                Mastodon, Lemmy and the likes are all enthusiast platforms in my eyes. Their primary userbase of the more savvy folk who are early adopters. I also believe it’s why many don’t fully get how complicated the fediverse really is to comprehend. To many the hurtles are just costs of being in the field/having a tech passion, hopefully it will be adopted but like, I still think the UI and general behavior and mechanics of it will be a fairly big roadblock.

              • Sergio@slrpnk.netEnglish
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                3 months ago

                Dunno, I like the fact that people here are tech-savvy. My HS guidance counselor said I should always hang out with people that are smarter than I am. That’s why I like it here, everypony seems so knowledgable.

      • zqps@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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        3 months ago

        The thing that it really has going for itself is that it simply isn’t twitter. And Muskler made sure that’s a huge deal.

        • taiyang@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          3 months ago

          Using it myself, this is technically true but also it’s literally Twitter pre-takeover-- like a fork all the tolerable people started using. You’ve got your George Takei and your Stephen King, etc, so it’s what left of center normies can enjoy without being a little too far (like us, here).

          If I’m being honest, I prefer to mix the two communities because a little too much Fediverse can make you go crazy, plus I spread Lemmy ideology there cause someone’s gotta bring up class warfare and Linux, right?

          • zqps@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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            3 months ago

            Oh I agree. I’m just not there because twitter was never my thing. Keep up the fediverse propaganda, comrade.

    • Balder@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      3 months ago

      Do you really think Lemmy could handle the amount of people that Reddit has?

      As far as I know the existing instances are usually running on capacity and always in need of donations, and that’s when the owner isn’t handling the costs themselves. I’m not sure how well most instances have right now.

      Maybe Lemmy would benefit of some way to get people to pay, such as purchasing the ability to give people awards etc. like Reddit. Despite being useless stuff, it might provide some fun that would make hardcore users want to pay. But for that to work out, all apps would also need to show the posts awarded in a different way, so I think that’s unlikely.

      But the point is that without a business model, the Fediverse will only be able to handle a limited number of enthusiasts before it faces scaling problems.

      • Zagorath@lemm.eeEnglish
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        3 months ago

        LW definitely can’t handle more traffic than it already has. It already (thanks to the admins’ refusal to update to the latest version of Lemmy, which fixes this issue) takes multiple days for LW content to get federated to other instances properly, which is why I’ve had to switch over to this alt account of mine because there are zero comments on this post in my main instance. With more users, that delay would grow from days to potentially weeks.

      • rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish
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        3 months ago

        Do you really think Lemmy could handle the amount of people that Reddit has?

        yup. no question. Not one instance mind you, but Reddit is also a giant cluster. (and clusterfuck)

        As far as I know the existing instances are usually running on capacity and always in need of donations,

        We just need the big bois to stop stuffing themselves. There’s 0 reason to have 2/3 of the totally traffic flooding into world because people are scared of Federation that they never even have to deal with.

        Maybe Lemmy would benefit of some way to get people to pay, such as purchasing the ability to give people awards etc.

        Maybe we make some premium pay servers with baller architecture, killer response time, user capacity limits and high speed storage?

        But the point is that without a business model, the Fediverse will only be able to handle a limited number of enthusiasts before it faces scaling problems.

        Eventually, it’s going to be ads, donations or payments. It’s all someone else’s computer, someone has to foot the bill. But at great scale, you should be able to have an ad-free experience for something in the range a dollar or two a month.

        • DefectiveFoundation@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          3 months ago

          Isn’t it easier to handle most users on one server than it is to have a bunch of equal servers? Then the problem just moves off the one server towards the communication between the servers being the bottleneck.

          • rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish
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            3 months ago

            The way lemmy (and federation) works, it needs to do a bunch of operations that can’t happen simultaneously, so there’s a job queue. The queue needs to do some database operations and a bunch of communication operations and each of the jobs needs to reach out to distant servers that may or may not be overwhelmed themselves.

            You start with one server it costs almost nothing to host. Sooner or later you want to split out the job servers, then you end up needing to split out the database, when you start getting that many people on your server now you want to consider fault tolerance, Even after tuning you can only fit so many simultaneous users on a web server, you end up needing to do some load balancing. The next step would be trying to split it up geography-wise.

            That’s scaling up and it’s what big companies do and it’s very expensive but easy for a small team to manage.

            Lemmy on the other hand is designed to be scaled out, running smaller individual user bases on lighter hardware with a bunch of individual administrators instead of a organized team.

            If people want to be on a large single cluster application Reddit is still there.

            I like what we have a lot better.

        • Balder@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          3 months ago

          I wouldn’t mind having some ads, but I wonder how some more extremists users would react.

          But I strongly believe that depending on donations is a very tough place to be, it places the burden of “begging” on the instance owners, which are already doing all the work and should definitely be compensated somehow.

          • rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish
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            3 months ago

            which are already doing all the work and should definitely be compensated somehow.

            That’s why I donate monthly to my instance :)

            A pretty decent sized instance managed will uses a few boxes and some CDN, runs a couple to a few hundred a month, it doesn’t take that many people paying to cover it.

            It’s not as bad managing the smaller instances. The app works like it says on the tin until you get really big.

            IMO lemmy.world let themselves get WAY bigger than they should have. They had to start doing a hell of a lot more work to keep the thing up.

          • ᴇᴍᴘᴇʀᴏʀ 帝@feddit.ukEnglish
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            3 months ago

            But I strongly believe that depending on donations is a very tough place to be

            If you get a good deal on hosting then, on medium-sized instance donations easily cover costs. lemmy.world suggests this can scale up a lot even if you need more complex systems in place to deal with demand.

        • PriorityMotif@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          3 months ago

          It costs me less than $10/mo to run mine and some of that is because I have to pay for an email forwarder until my hosting provider lets me start sending emails, part of that is factoring the cost of the domain name. The actual cloud server costs $5/mo right now.

          • rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish
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            3 months ago

            Yeah, you can get away with really cheap operations up until you start blowing through your cdn and communication budget

    • OpenStars@piefed.socialEnglish
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      3 months ago

      John Oliver fans are the perfect candidates to join the fediverse, hopefully some of them find their way to Lemmy.

      Too late - we are already here!:-P

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    • Otter@lemmy.caOPEnglish
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      3 months ago

      Indirectly, looking up “John Oliver Mastodon” brings up this post in the top few. “John Oliver Pixelfed” has this post as the first option

      So we’re not completely left out :)

    • Novice_Idiot@lemmy.wtfEnglish
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      3 months ago

      John Oliver being uploaded to YouTube is awesome! I should comment that Lemmy is a great Reddit alternative