Today I noticed a huge wall of spam from UniversalMonk from 2 different accounts and didn’t initially think much of it and blocked their communities but more spam came from different communities.

At this point I checked and saw that they had created several communities which then led me down the rabbit hole to discover that their posts had almost entirely covered the new posts page of both sh.itjust.works and lemm.ee. Later on I discovered that they’re posting right-wing propaganda and misinformation from breitbart, foxnews you name it.

He’s already caused and stirred shit 2 months ago and clearly I can see why now.

At this point it’s difficult to believe that UniversalMonk will learn proper netiquette in: not post spamming, being considerate to others, and not sharing right-wing extremist content that no one wants.

  • woelkchen@lemmy.worldMEnglish
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    7 months ago

    I agree with the sentiment but this here is not a complaints forum.

    Please report that user and his communities to the admins of the instances he’s registered at. A quick look at the sidebars of both sh.itjust.works and lemm.ee would suggest that their admins banning him is a slam dunk.

    Maybe ask at !support@lemm.ee and !main@sh.itjust.works what to do?

    On the grounds of !fediverse not being a complaints forum, I’m going to lock this post.

  • SGforce@lemmy.caEnglish
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    7 months ago

    I wouldn’t care so much if he wasn’t such a bitch about it. You want to post that stuff than own up and admit it. Fucking cryptofascist.

  • southsamurai@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    7 months ago

    Eh, I just had a run-in with them again.

    Trying to get every instance to ban them is a little crazy tbh, and I think you’re right that their entire goal is a blend of trolling and misinformation.

    It isn’t crazy because they’re acting in bad faith. It’s crazy because just lemmy is already too big to try and organize a lemmy wide ban. Trying to get a fediverse wide one applied ain’t happening.

    Best you can do is report them for the spamming in the instances they do it on.

      • southsamurai@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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        7 months ago

        Reports don’t just go to mods, they go to admins as well. And you can usually contact admins in other ways on most instances.

        • recursive_recursion they/them@lemmy.caOPEnglish
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          7 months ago

          Reports don’t just go to mods, they go to admins as well.

          You’re not wrong. Again however if the mod dismisses the report, the admin(s) would be unaware of the report unless they check the All tab. On P.D. anyways the report queue defaults to Unread, not sure if that can be changed on the newer instance versions.

          And you can usually contact admins in other ways on most instances.

          Again true, however [a user who’s already made a report] is it highly likely that they’d message the admins for an update? maybe?

          It’s a non-zero possibility, but for my own report experience I actually just send a report and forget about it (unless I’m personally looking and pondering the reports queued on P.D’s report page, earlier last year I tried to send messages to users who made reports saying thank yous or updates on what happened to their reports).

          For any users here please comment if you’ve asked for an update I’m actually genuinely curious what the frequency is.

          Edit:
          Ah right I just remembered that I wanted to request for a feature that community moderators can’t dismiss the report that’s made about them. This is the same copyright loophole system that exists in Youtube.

  • recursive_recursion they/them@lemmy.caOPEnglish
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    7 months ago

    Based on the number of dislikes I have to imagine that someone out there might have made reports which were probably and unfortunately ‘handled/managed’ by UniversalMonk as that’s how the current moderation system works:

    Currently [as of Jan 12, 2025]
    If a report is sent, both the community moderator(s) and admin(s) are able to see and handle the report.

    • This has the unfortunate side effect where if the moderator has no qualms and dismisses the report it can become unlikely that anyone would know what’s going on.

    The user who made the report might then unfortunately think that the admin(s) are condoning the post/content that’s shared on their platform which might not actually be the case.

    At this point this I’m just going to ask that if anyone has any posts or comments that they’d like to report, please feel free to also shoot me a Direct Message (DM). I’m preempt and say that while I can’t promise that I’ll respond immediately, I can at least guarantee that I’ll reply back saying that I have seen your message.

  • empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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    7 months ago

    That mf is still around? And now they’re spamming right wing nazi stuff despite definitely for sure being a legitimate honest 3rd party Jill Stein Stan? My gosh, say it isn’t so!

    There is nothing for them to learn about “netiquette”, they are a cancerous wart intentionally participating in bad faith with the entire fediverse.

  • jjagaimo@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    7 months ago

    Seems like he does get banned frequently by mods, given he has like 10 accounts created on a number of servers in the past few months

  • ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
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    7 months ago

    They are at best a one-person propaganda shop, and at worst part of a targeted influence campaign by other actors.

    I’ve written many times on this user in the lead-up to the US election, when there was cumulative evidence they were spamming content meant to split the left vote. I welcome moderate or right-leaning good faith discussion, but this user is not that. They sealion any responses with canned / apparently-LLM-assisted non-answers to legitimate constructive engagement, apparently to drive up “engagement” on their posts. I’ve read probably 30 threads where this happened - they do not answer direct questions or engage in actual debate. Everything is a misdirection and nonsense.

    They are a bad faith actor no matter what their motive or tools are. They are literally the only Lemmy user I’ve come across that I can say, without reservation, deserves a perma-ban.

    • remotelove@lemmy.caEnglish
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      7 months ago

      Yeah, it’s a common pattern with the “victim” crap. Same stuff I was just testing, actually. (Check my comment history with UM over the last day or so; re: define propaganda)

      Very nonsensical responses, no discussion and just absolute crap posts. If it is LLM assisted, it’s tuned to respond to people like they are hating on the acual article and UM. It’s an easy formula: post a shit article and just argue with everyone about anything while assuming they are commenting against the post.

      But I have met people just like that IRL and it usually comes with some serious mental disorders or poorly prescribed medications. (I am being extremely serious with that comment and no joke is intended, at all.) It’s probably for that person’s benefit to get kick-banned at all turns. Assuming it’s actually one real person, social media is not where they need to be spending their time.

    • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.catEnglish
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      7 months ago

      I think UniversalMonk is a real person with significant mental issues. Most of the influence campaign accounts have a consistent MO, and part of the game is low effort. They want to maximize the impact with as little investment of typing and thinking as possible, because they have however-many other accounts to run and they have a quota of comments they need to write. They just have a very particular way of interacting on Lemmy that doesn’t change all that much from one account to another as far as I can tell. He tries way too hard to be a normal-pattern influence operation. I think his accounts take way more work than it would be worth it to spend if he were paid by the hour. It would also be better just to have 10 accounts and have his spam of posted stories get spread out among all 10 of them instead of all comes from one.

      Whether UM is a right-winger who is deliberately trying in his own insanity-tinged way to sow discord and hurt the left, or he’s sincerely pursuing some cartwheeling internal compass that I’m not privy to the details of, I don’t know. But I think he’s a real human who is representing himself more or less authentically. Not truthfully. But all this fanatical stuff he types up is in my opinion pretty authentic to who he is as a person, if that makes sense.

        • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.catEnglish
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          7 months ago

          Absolutely correct. You also don’t have proof that I’m not a dog. You can still be reasonably confident that I’m a human, and talk accordingly, based on your best belief and understanding.

            • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.catEnglish
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              7 months ago

              UniversalMonk you mean? Hm… maybe not. Mostly I just talk about his actions, and how they negatively impact everyone else on the network, and how it’s appropriate to react to his behaviors. I do think about his motivations, and my read on him and why he’s doing these things, but maybe it is out of line for me to be talking about his mental state when the truth is that I have no idea.

              I wasn’t intending to be putting him down, actually. More saying that in that aspect he is being real. I have some sympathy for him, and at least partly, I was trying to express that there. But you’re right, speculating about something like that when I really have not the slightest idea about it is maybe not an appropriate thing for me to do.

      • imaqtpie@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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        7 months ago

        Well said, I didn’t analyze his posting habits all that closely because I’m not obsessed with stalking and persecuting everyone who thinks differently from me, but it’s always been apparent to me that he’s a real person with ahem an unconventional belief system, to say the least. He seems to come from an era before the internet, when people didn’t care as much what other people thought of them. Some people don’t neatly fall into the buckets of left wing and right wing, as currently defined by the mainstream media. That’s a good thing, imho.

        As far as I can tell, he mostly just posts to communities that he created, and if OP wants to hunt around and subscribe to those communities and read the posts, that’s their problem. He actually seems like a pretty nice guy imo, reminds me of my uncle who believes all sorts of wild conspiracy theories but is ultimately a stand-up guy in his daily life.

        To address the alleged ban-worthy offenses directly @recursive_recursion@lemmy.ca:

        post spamming

        He can spam as many posts as he wants to the communities that he created, although 2-3 posts per day doesn’t even remotely qualify as spamming. If you choose to subscribe to them and refuse to block him, you have only yourself to blame.

        [not] being considerate to others

        Is it considerate to hunt through another users profile for reasons to permaban them from all of Lemmy? Is it considerate to LARP as a mod in service of a personal grudge? I think you could actually learn a few things about being considerate from Mr. Monk, he seems quite polite in most interactions.

        not sharing right-wing extremist content

        Fox News and Breitbart are not extremist content, they are mainstream news outlets regularly consumed by a frighteningly large proportion of the American population. It is what it is, I’m not happy about it either but you can’t simply label everything you don’t agree with as extremist content.

        I will not be banning users simply because some of their beliefs could be described as right-wing. If those beliefs lead them to treat other users in a hateful or toxic manner, that’s another story, but I see no evidence of that.

        On the other hand, banning users for stirring drama and harassing other users is always an option. I don’t like to ban anyone, but I would argue this kind of behavior is far more problematic than Monk’s behavior.

        • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.catEnglish
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          7 months ago

          As far as I can tell, he mostly just posts to communities that he created

          After spamming many others and getting banned, and then sending harassing DMs once he was no longer able to post most places he hadn’t created. And then creating new accounts on new instances so he could get around bans he had received on the old accounts.

          I will not be banning users simply because some of their beliefs could be described as right-wing

          If only someone would take some time and kindly put together an effective analogy for why the issue is not his beliefs.

          Is it considerate to hunt through another users profile for reasons to permaban them from all of Lemmy?

          If anybody had to hunt to find him, he wouldn’t be an issue. There are plenty of accounts quietly posting their own brand of weirdness to their own weird communities, and it is always fine.

          OP actually specifically brought up that the impetus for this post was seeing a whole new fresh batch of UM spam in some definitely not private community.

          Your whole comment reads like an example from a narcissistic personality disorder handbook, about how to create a whole alternate reality that makes whatever-it-is justified, and then act so reasonable, and so confused, about how anyone in the alternate reality you described could ever think something negative about whichever person it is, when all they did was…

          • imaqtpie@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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            7 months ago

            After spamming many others and getting banned, and then sending harassing DMs once he was no longer able to post most places he hadn’t created.

            People keep seeing this but I haven’t actually seen any evidence. Kindly provide the screenshots. Having accounts on different servers is a complete non-issue, most people have multiple accounts on Lemmy.

            If only someone would take some time and kindly put together an effective analogy for why the issue is not his beliefs.

            What do you mean? Just come right out and say what you believe the issue is, I honestly don’t know what you’re alluding to.

            If anybody had to hunt to find him, he wouldn’t be an issue. There are plenty of accounts quietly posting their own brand of weirdness to their own weird communities, and it is always fine.

            I’m literally the admin of his server and I haven’t seen his name in over a month. I haven’t seen him get reported and I haven’t seen any of his posts because I’m not subscribed to his communities. He is exactly what you just described, an account posting his own brand of weirdness to his own communities.

            OP actually specifically brought up that the impetus for this post was seeing a whole new fresh batch of UM spam in some definitely not private community.

            Where? 90% of the posts in the screenshots were made to communities he created, that have almost no subscribers and very few upvotes and downvotes. Please link the fresh batch of spam, because I honestly don’t know what you’re talking about. I just scrolled through his 40 most recent posts, and 38 of them were on his own communities, one was on c/conservative and the other was on c/twosentencehorror, with 11 upvotes.

            • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.catEnglish
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              7 months ago

              People keep seeing this but I haven’t actually seen any evidence. Kindly provide the screenshots. Having accounts on different servers is a complete non-issue, most people have multiple accounts on Lemmy.

              Multiple accounts is fine obviously. Multiple accounts to get around a ban and continue the behavior that led to the ban, doubling down on how right you were in the first place, seems like something that it would be better not to allow.

              https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&userId=9454261 and search for “harassing users in pms”. I don’t know the specifics beyond that. If you read the modlog, down below the massive list of spam posts that were removed, you can see some of the types of comments that presumably, when he was making them in DMs, got him sitebanned.

              What do you mean? Just come right out and say what you believe the issue is, I honestly don’t know what you’re alluding to.

              I commented here, explaining for the sake of people who keep insisting that he got banned because of what his beliefs are:

              https://ponder.cat/post/1293130/1478863

              If you don’t know his history on lemmy.world, the analogy might not seem all that hard-hitting I guess. It was never a problem that he was, among other things, claiming to be a socialist who supported third parties. It was a problem that he was posting basically the same 3 or 4 types of articles about it, 10-20 times a day to the same communities, and aggressively attacking anyone who disagreed with him about it.

              If he’s had a change of heart, and realized that he was being obnoxious and now wants to be a good citizen, it would be fine. Maybe. Instead, what he’s done is pivoted to posting MAGA stuff, instead of socialism stuff. He’s now posting breitbart and the NY Post, on things like “Here’s why wokeism will be the downfall of America” and “Trump can use Russia’s space program to end the war in Ukraine.”

              He loves drama. He posted third-party stuff before the election, and is now posting diametrically opposed stuff to /c/conservative. Is it deliberately to piss people off? That seems more likely than that, right as the election happened, he suddenly shifted all his focus and discovered that wokeism is the main problem, instead of the genocide in Gaza being the main problem. That’s what people mean in calling him a troll.

              I’m literally the admin of his server and I haven’t seen his name in over a month. I haven’t seen him get reported and I haven’t seen any of his posts because I’m not subscribed to his communities. He is exactly what you just described, an account posting his own brand of weirdness to his own communities.

              Where? 90% of the posts in the screenshots were made to communities he created, that have almost no subscribers and very few upvotes and downvotes. Please link the fresh batch of spam, because I honestly don’t know what you’re talking about. I just scrolled through his 40 most recent posts, and 38 of them were on his own communities, one was on c/conservative and the other was on c/twosentencehorror, with 11 upvotes.

              I just looked for myself. I get your point. He’s got a right to “spam” in his own communities, or post sources I don’t think are credible, even after being banned from doing so in the main news communities on some other instance.

              The issue I think OP is trying to bring to your attention, which I think is why he had what might seem like a disproportionate freak-out in response to seeing 9 suspect posts all in a row all from UniversalMonk on the “Local New” feed, is that this guy has a proven commitment to obnoxiousness that is probably only temporarily in abeyance.

              You can do what you want, obviously. If he’s actually changed, then great. I would look at his behavior in the present as an indication of what he will probably continue to do. I think his main goal is probably going to be to spread disinformation on your server and ramp up to being obnoxious up to the limit of what won’t get him banned, and what might look like an overreaction based on that little series of posts is based largely on how much drama and antagonism he managed to cause on lemmy.world before they kicked him out.

          • imaqtpie@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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            7 months ago

            I dunno what they’ve done on other accounts, I don’t have any control over that. They haven’t done anything banworthy on SJW that I can see. I haven’t even received any reports that I can recall.

            Only to come out of the other end as a conservative propagandist.

            What is your evidence for this? Everything I see on their profile states that they voted third party in the election. Criticizing the democratic candidates does not imply they are a conservative propagandist. Ffs we have thousands of tankies on Lemmy who did the same shit. Are they right-wingers as well?

              • imaqtpie@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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                7 months ago

                If the trouble was so bad that you believe they deserve to be banned on sight, post the damn evidence.

                As far as I know, half the accounts commenting on this post could be and probably are OP’s alts. What the fuck do you think this is, mob justice? You’re not standing firmly with anyone, you’re actively harassing this guy because of some personal grudge from months ago. Let it go.

                Or alternatively, show me what he did that was so unforgivable.

      • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.catEnglish
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        7 months ago

        It’s very tempting to go back through your comment history, and drop a reply under every single comment that makes any kind of factual argument: “you have no proof for any of these claims”, but life is short, so I won’t. You can just imagine that I did, and post me a reply with the proof for all of it all together, if you like.

        • NSRXN@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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          7 months ago

          everyone knows how you “investigate” other users, so my guess is you already did look through my posts, and you saw most of what I do is demand evidence for specious claims.

  • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.catEnglish
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    7 months ago

    It blows my mind that the admins of UniversalMonk-affected servers don’t just ban him on sight.

    Guys: You’re being too nice. I get it, you want to be inclusive. But you have to draw lines. Someone doesn’t have to be telling racist jokes or something, in order to be clearly and unapologetically a net negative to the community in every possible sense. And, showing them firmly to the door doesn’t have to be a complex or “objective” process when that happens.

    • Encephalotrocity@biglemmowski.winEnglish
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      7 months ago

      Nah, this whole trend to censor anything and everything that isn’t exactly what you want to see is worse for the community.

      I say leave him alone. I don’t have him blocked. I don’t ever see his content unless I actually do search to see what he’s been up to (spoiler: he was a far right nutbag all along the end). Even IF he is spamming articles, that behaviour can be modded by communities he isn’t modding for, and those he is modding for can be blocked. Hell if he pisses you off specifically you can block him yourself already! This isn’t a community needs to step in issue.

      • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.catEnglish
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        7 months ago

        How many of this comment do I need to respond to?

        You guys aren’t even trying to make it make sense. Moderators blocked him, so he made new communities of his own. Then people blocked him and instances banned him, so he made new accounts. Now he’s showing up again for people who have taken the steps you describe. He is actively evading people’s attempts to not have to listen to him. He talks about how proud he is of himself for doing it.

        • Encephalotrocity@biglemmowski.winEnglish
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          7 months ago

          How many of this comment do I need to respond to?

          As many as it takes to get you to understand censorship is a worse means. UM can ‘evade’ all he wants but he can’t take away your unsubscribe and block buttons. Did you know they aren’t single use? Amazing!

          • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.catEnglish
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            7 months ago

            Did you know you can’t take away my “asking the admins to ban an obvious and incredibly energetic troll” buttons, either?

      • GreenKnight23@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        7 months ago

        just like I said the other day.

        https://lemmy.world/comment/14424566

        in a year Lemmy will be a cesspool of extremist thoughts and opinions. left, right, doesn’t matter.

        the average Lemmy user is become far more caustic towards any differing opinions and that directly increases the toxicity of the platform.

        this is why mods are trying to be pedantic about the rules in communities, but unfortunately they’re only accelerating it.

        they’re removing all the content under “incivility” that calls out or questions bullshit yet leaving toxic misinformation up because it breaks “no rules”.

        • imaqtpie@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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          7 months ago

          Yeah man I feel like I’m taking crazy pills, I literally haven’t seen a single thing this dude has posted in months and all these people chiming in like he’s flooding their feeds. Like why the fuck are they subscribed to his communities in the first place???

  • ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    7 months ago

    I had actually forgotten about that guy. I blocked him a few months ago because I got tired of his incessant and biased spam.

  • jordanlund@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    7 months ago

    Everyone wanted to know how it would go for the “I just want people to support a 3rd party” folks after the election… Well, now you know!

    • RandomGen1@lemm.eeEnglish
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      7 months ago

      I want to push back on this just a little. Clearly UM isn’t the bastion of consistent good thought, but others that were maligned like return2ozma have been pretty consistent in what they post.

      This is to say, “Great, one person is a fuckup. Why are we attributing this to the whole group?”

      • sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
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        7 months ago

        Becuase 3p vote is the threat to neo libaral regimes… They requires polarization and two choices to lock us into endless cultures warz lesser of two evils, trust me bro vote for my guy…

        They DNC would rather you vote for Trump than 3p lol

      • jordanlund@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        7 months ago

        He was banned on lemmy.world for excessive Jill Stiein/3rd party spam prior to the election and the discussion at the time was “What will they do after the election?” Well, now you know. Right Wing all along.

  • Shardikprime@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    7 months ago

    This is harassment directed towards one specific user.

    If you find direct offense to their posts, you should let the instance admins manage that through reports. If there is many instances, do that many reports.

    But this is basically fascist harassment. A witch hunt.

    What, no one can dissent from your ideology? Is it that weak that it cannot and will not handle criticism?

    The reverse applies as well. If you want, open your own instance echo chamber and talk to yourself.

    • realcaseyrollins@thelemmy.clubEnglish
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      7 months ago

      Don’t pretend to be surprised, this is Lemmy we’re talking about. It’s how they roll! Inclusion through exclusion or something.

    • recursive_recursion they/them@lemmy.caOPEnglish
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      7 months ago

      So u want to silence someone for their beliefs.

      Allowing people to spout whatever nonsense and cause harm to others is reckless at best, ignorant and insane at worst. I’m old but not old enough to have dementia.

      Free speach does not mean u have a right to not be offended.

      The argument of free speech so hollow, I’ve seen it used by right-wingers use it as a rallying cry when in reality free speech is free yes but simutaneously it does not mean free of consequences.

      He’s in violation of our TOS and probably several others which reminds me @ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone you’ll want to see the last image with dumbass Zuck at the top

      • 🇦🇺𝕄𝕦𝕟𝕥𝕖𝕕𝕔𝕣𝕠𝕔𝕠𝕕𝕚𝕝𝕖@lemm.eeEnglish
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        7 months ago

        Allowing people to spout whatever nonsense and cause harm to others is reckless at best, ignorant and insane at worst. I’m old but not old enough to have dementia.

        What words has he said that are cuasing harm. Because if it isnt calling for actionable violence then it isnt causing harm.

        The argument of free speech so hollow, I’ve seen it used by right-wingers as a rallying cry

        I didnt realise free speach was a right wing idea. I though free speach of a basic liberty of free independent people.

        when in reality free speech is free yes but simutaneously it does not mean free of consequences.

        Free to say as he pleases and get downvoted, judged, resonded to negatively.

        He’s in violation of our TOS and probably several others

        What tos violations has he made? Im gonna assume innocent until proven guilty.

    • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.catEnglish
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      7 months ago

      Sure, I’ll take the bait. It’s not at all an issue of his beliefs. Plenty of people on Lemmy think that we should vote for third parties, plenty of people on Lemmy think that… I don’t know, I blocked UM so long ago that I can’t even really remember what his beliefs were. I think he thought Biden was doing a bad job. I don’t think that is some weird heretic belief on Lemmy that will get you banned. Nothing he had to say was ever the issue.

      If every time someone gets on the bus, they sit down next to random other passengers and start pestering them about Jesus, loudly and without fail, no matter how much the person clearly doesn’t want it, and then when multiple people tell them to stop, they start crying about religious discrimination, yell at the whole bus, say they won’t be silenced, show up the next day with a whole backpack full of pamphlets about the first amendment, concoct elaborate disguises to be able to sneak back on the bus once one bus driver finally has had enough and bans them, all the while setting up this incredibly loud consistent whining sound about how they’re being persecuted because of their Christianity, it was never about the Christianity.

      You can be Christian on the bus. You can also be Jewish or Muslim. You can wear a headscarf, you can talk to your friends about Jesus, together on the bus. Likewise, you can be anti-Biden, or pro-Biden, or pro-socialist, or whatever you want to be, on Lemmy. When you become so incredibly obnoxious about your style of interaction that the entire community has agreed that you’re causing a problem, and then instead of being open to feedback and continuing to say what you think, but in a fashion that is productive and respectful of everyone else, you instead double down and say you won’t be silenced and send threatening DMs to your critics and start making a whole bunch of new accounts when you are banned from multiple places, it is time for you to go. Because you had your opportunity to tone it down and integrate within the social contract that makes the place function, and you explicitly and proudly chose not to.

      • 🇦🇺𝕄𝕦𝕟𝕥𝕖𝕕𝕔𝕣𝕠𝕔𝕠𝕕𝕚𝕝𝕖@lemm.eeEnglish
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        7 months ago

        Sure, I’ll take the bait. It’s not at all an issue of his beliefs…Nothing he had to say was ever the issue.

        Ok so what is the issue cos op hasnt seemed to have addressed it.

        If every time someone gets on the bus, they sit down next to random other passengers and start pestering them about Jesus, loudly and without fail, no matter how much the person clearly doesn’t want it, and then when multiple people tell them to stop, they start crying about religious discrimination, yell at the whole bus, say they won’t be silenced, show up the next day with a whole backpack full of pamphlets about the first amendment, concoct elaborate disguises to be able to sneak back on the bus once one bus driver finally has had enough and bans them, all the while setting up this incredibly loud consistent whining sound about how they’re being persecuted because of their Christianity, it was never about the Christianity.

        I like ur metaphor it presents a very visceral image of a particular behaviour. Ur forgetting just 1 things lemmy has that a bus doesnt a magic button to make them disapear (the block button). Also nothing wrong with talking to anyone u want about anything u want thats how free speach works.

        You can be Christian on the bus. You can also be Jewish or Muslim. You can wear a headscarf, you can talk to your friends about Jesus, together on the bus. Likewise, you can be anti-Biden, or pro-Biden, or pro-socialist, or whatever you want to be, on Lemmy.

        U can also talk to anyone else u please about anything on this list or not on this list, it doesnt havr to be your friends.

        When you become so incredibly obnoxious about your style of interaction that the entire community has agreed that you’re causing a problem,

        Free speach requires that u allow people to be obnoxious, as long as ur not calling for actionable violence i say let em speak.

        and then instead of being open to feedback and continuing to say what you think, but in a fashion that is productive and respectful of everyone else, you instead double down and say you won’t be silenced

        Why should anyone be forced to change how they choose to express their beliefs. What if everyone in a neighbourhood decided that rainbow flags where obnoxious, that does not grant them the right to deny the gays there right to express their beliefs however the fuck they want. (So long as its not violent or callibg for actionable violence etc etc).

        and send threatening DMs to your critics

        If this is true which it quite probably could be then op should have started with this. Ill be in full support of instance bans if i can be shown verifyable proof this is true.

        and start making a whole bunch of new accounts when you are banned from multiple places, it is time for you to go.

        Thats how an open platform works good luck stopping it. Ie the technology of Activpub has made the capability to deny any individual their free speach impossible.

        Because you had your opportunity to tone it down and integrate within the social contract that makes the place function, and you explicitly and proudly chose not to.

        I hate the concept of the social contract. I was forced to sign it under duress (i didnt concent to being born etc etc). The politicians, the billionares, the dictators of the world, the thieves stealing food to survive, etc etc etc they have not integrated within the social contract. If there is no enforcement then why follow the rules?

        I believe in a far simpler system that perfectly describes every system far better than the social contract. Darwinian evolution. Given that i would say its pretty arrogant to assert that following the social contract 100% of the time is always the most advantagious.

            • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.catEnglish
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              Mods from lemmy.world and lemmy.ca have been in these comments saying that yes, it happened and was a TOS violation.

              You’re free not to believe them. I don’t think asking them to expose someone else’s private DMs to you to prove it to you is realistic.

              • 🇦🇺𝕄𝕦𝕟𝕥𝕖𝕕𝕔𝕣𝕠𝕔𝕠𝕕𝕚𝕝𝕖@lemm.eeEnglish
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                7 months ago

                Mods from lemmy.world and lemmy.ca have been in these comments saying that yes, it happened and was a TOS violation.

                Which ones and can i get comment links?

                You’re free not to believe them.

                I dont trust anything i verify

                I don’t think asking them to expose someone else’s private DMs to you to prove it to you is realistic.

                I think its pretry sus if ur willing to claim someone has sent abusive messages but not reveal what said abusive messages where. Thats a bit like claiming u have proof of someone stealing your car but will not be providing said proof as u just have to “trust me bro”

                • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.catEnglish
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                  7 months ago

                  Which ones and can i get comment links?

                  https://lemmy.world/comment/14444086

                  https://lemmy.ca/comment/13865167

                  I think its pretry sus if ur willing to claim someone has sent abusive messages but not reveal what said abusive messages where. Thats a bit like claiming u have proof of someone stealing your car but will not be providing said proof as u just have to “trust me bro”

                  What part of “not publishing other people’s private communications” doesn’t make sense?

                  This is, in fact, exactly the same way stolen cars work. Someone steals your car, you get the police report, you show it to the insurance company. If you don’t have a police report, then they definitely will have questions.

                  https://ponder.cat/comment/1480007

                  That’s the police report. The insurance company doesn’t say, “Well, I won’t know it was stolen until I see it for myself. Yes, I know you explained there’s a specific reason you can’t show it to me, but I just don’t trust anything, I verify. The report from the person who investigated it using the extra abilities of their position, and then wrote formally that yes, it was stolen, isn’t good enough.”

  • schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
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    7 months ago

    Here’s the thing: without this thread, I might never have become aware of this user or their activities. Are you sure that what you’re doing isn’t counterproductive and giving them more undeserved attention?

    • recursive_recursion they/them@lemmy.caOPEnglish
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      7 months ago

      I can see what you mean by that although for this case in an odd manner you actually want to highlight this problem.

      This is another parallel system that was shown in this crazy GDC talk: 1,500 Slot Machines Walk into a Bar: Adventures in Quantity Over Quality

      For background context Alex Schwartz and Ziba Scott launched premium mobile games to the Google Play Store in 2013 which unfortunately didn’t “help in making our money back and being able to make enough money to make the next game”. After having explored the storefront and finding nefarious apps and junk reskined clones everywhere they decided to intentionally flood the Google Play Store with junk slot machine games as a joke/experiment.

      "There was a point in here that I don’t think was drilled home as hard as it could have been which was… if people are sneaking by with garbage the thing that we did was to put a huge neon sign with an arrow pointing at ourselves and the garbage next to us; illuminating the entire underbelly of dark weird App Store shit and so the idea that if you do it at scale clearly they’re(Google’s) going to notice and clearly they’re(Google’s) going to change the terms of service slowly to ice you out.

      Hopefully others went down with us in the wake of that. Like we provided the perfect targeted spot to drop the missile uh so hopefully, hopefully that helped get rid of duplicate apps that were also in the area."

      • ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        7 months ago

        I agree with you. In this case it’s time to bring this up. I quietly blocked monk months ago because I was tired of seeing his shit in my feed, but I didn’t want to bring attention to his inflammatory posts. But that clearly hasn’t worked on a wider level. He’s still posting sketchy stuff and annoying other people here. Sometimes you have to call people out and the wider community has to act, even at the risk of drawing attention to the problem users.