Nobody deserves that, but the irony…it’s quite something.
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God I’d die in prison. Literally death for me, nothing else. I may survive for a minute or two, but I’m anything but the “tough type”, so my demise would be inevitable. In any case, once anyone would find out I have breasts…it’d be game over for me. Hope I never have to go, cause the things that would happen to me…they’re not pleasant thoughts :P
But also, in a weird and self-destructive way…I’m morbidly curious. Curious just how long I’d make it. Curious what would be the exact cause of my doom. I’m just…weird, sorry.
Sincerely, fuck Russell Brand. Fuck that guy.
so one of the big problems with this is… what if you get falsely convicted for the same thing? Does that mean your suffering is okay?
No. The only acceptable thing is for no one to be punished like this, ever.
justice system is doing what it’s supposed to do
What in the Old Testament… Justice is about healing victims, rehabilitating perpetrators, and reaffirming societal norms. I don’t see any part of that that’s helped by cheering for rape.
Nobody is cheering for rape. I was just referencing the irony of the perpetrator’s thoughts/actions, that’s all. Sorry if it came across that way.
You’re good Miisha. I see your stuff enough that I have some idea of where you’re coming from.
It’s just that Twitter-style equivocation in the OP image, where it’s like “I’m gonna say the transgressive thing you reaaaally wanna hear, but don’t worry — I’m gonna just barely couch it so you don’t have that on your conscience.”
There’s no functional difference between “the justice system is working correctly when a rapist is raped” and “the justice system is working correctly when a rapist is afraid they’re about to be raped because they have a justified true belief that there is a significant chance they are moments from getting raped”, aside from the fact that they’ve made a very small gap where they’re able to squeeze in the phrase “I don’t wish rape on anyone”, which grants moral license to the rest.
It’s the same trick that Trump pulls all the time, where he says the transgressive thing but stacks provisos on it so he’s got plenty of room to retreat. It’s just how social media (and reality TV, and soundbite journalism, and so on) trains people to phrase things.
And with that understanding of the way social media selects for a particular encoding for the idea of “cheering for rape”… yeah, I hate to break it to you, that post is absolutely cheering for rape. It’s just the conventional way to couch it so they can pretend they’re not.
And look, you’re not a bad person for liking it or sharing it. This stuff works because it’s only partially visible, right? It evades our reflexive filters for decency, kinda like how neologisms like “unalive” evade technological filters. But seriously, once you start looking for this stuff, you’ll see it everywhere.
I…yeah, you’re right actually. That’s a really deep (imo) analysis of this whole phenomenon. And tbh, I hadn’t even looked at it that way…
I’m really sorry. Now I feel like bad for sharing stuff like this. I’m sorry…this was a mistake. This is just…bad. Sorry…
I’m a firm believer that wishing rape on others only serves to uphold our rape culture and that no one deserves to be raped.
I’m not mad that he’s worried about getting the same treatment that he doled out to others.
Still hope that he isn’t raped despite his worries.
Sounds reasonable. I would wish to live in a world where none of this is a thing, but while we aren’t there, sure I rationally know that it is not great, but I’ll save what little empathy I have in my cold, cynic heart for people who deserve it.
this is why i think shaming needs to be a more legitimate punishment, it’s all but specifically evolved to give us an outlet for our revenge without actually hurting people.
Let people be sentenced to public shaming, make sure no one takes any more severe actions, and hopefully we can move on with our lives while the perpetrator is rehabilitated or just contained.Removed by mod
The justice system is not “doing what it’s supposed to” when it makes people credibly fear they’ll be raped in prison. The justice system is doing what it’s supposed to when it fosters a safe, predictable, productive environment for people to be rehabilitated.
The tweet tries to soften it with “I’m not saying I think it should happen, but…”, but outright, no: wanting to instill fear that what someone – literally anyone – did to their victims will happen to them in prison is perpetuating a culture that relishes in revenge and only pretends to care about protecting future victims.
But Russell Brand will be serving in the bile prison system. Rape is the predictable unproductive environment he will be serving under. Idealizing your perfect prison won’t suddenly change the indentured servitude England has always served, and will do so throughout his sentence.
Crimes are more effectually prevented by the certainty than the severity of punishment. (Cesare Beccaria)
yeah dying in prison would be pretty inevitable for me too. if they let me stay on hormones i would be v coded to death by either rectal bleeding from being raped or being murdered for resisting being raped too hard. if they dont let me stay on hormones i would detransition into the most unstable rage filled petulant asshole and id die the same exact way just way more angrily.
Yeah :/ I’m legally and officially prescribed HRT, so I’d get to keep being on it.
Me getting v-coded would pretty much be a guarantee. And I don’t wish it upon anyone, but tbh? I’d deserve it. I’d totally blame myself for it. For letting it happen due to my nonexistent physical strength, for “asking for it”. I probably wouldn’t even bother trying to resist.
It’s a thought pattern I keep coming back to. I don’t wish it upon anyone but myself.
So yeah, prison would literally be a death sentence for me. Not that I plan on going, it’s just that it’s game over if I do.
Sorry for sounding harsh, but… fucking snap out of that self pity. Idk how, you know yourself best. Hit a punching bag, go for a walk, meet someone cool, imagine a stop sign, whatever. You are the motherfucking captain of your goddamn soul, don’t give in to the psychological bug that is “I probably would have deserved it”.
Having fantasies is a totally different thing from actually being in a life-or-death situation. Plenty of people fantasise about this kind of stuff, and it is perfectly fine as long as you remember that it is a fantasy and act accordingly. Roleplay with a trusted partner? Sure, go for it, have fun! Actual sexual assault by people who are locked up for a reason? Completely different thing.
I know, it is hard keeping these things apart, and the brain does weird things sometimes. It is not your fault for having weird thoughts. Period. But you can shape the way you feel, at least to some degree, because you are more than a bunch of stupid instincts and hormones and dissonances.
nobody deserves to be raped, please rethink that mentality. being weak isn’t a reason, wearing revealing clothing isn’t a reason, being inebriated isn’t a reason. don’t place that ratuonaile on anyone, even yourself. you don’t deserve to be violated
no one deserves that, as much as i understand the selfdestructive urge 🫂
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I’m so happy this shit doesn’t happen nearly as often as in the US in more enlightened countries.
I don’t keep up with celebrities, why would he be specifically targeted?
High profile rapist. That’s probably why. Prisoners don’t like rapists from my understanding, lots of fathers in there.
Interesting. I would have thought that there were enough rapists in prison that he would get cheered instead.
They generally don’t create clubs out of mutual respect. They fight over who gets to do it to whom.
Also, a lot of people in prison are there because of financial/societal reasons. They’re not going to like a rich pos.
He wouldn’t be specifically targeted, but a hole is a hole
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nervous laugh I’m in danger…He also got that looooong pretty girl hair ya know lol
Prison rape is mostly false statistics and urban legends. It doesn’t happen nearly as much as you see on tv.
That being said, there’s a higher percentage of child sexual assault victims in prison, as well as people that had family be sexually assaulted. Pedos, rapists and women beaters get a fucking beating. On top of that, there’s street cred associated with beating up a celebrity.
He will be kept in a special ward though with non violent criminals in the same situation as him (at risk in gen pop)
Sure, it’s probably a bit dramaticized on TV. But if you’re a trans woman like me and you end up in a men’s prison…it’s probably gonna be living hell. V-coding is a thing :/
He won’t get raped if he mans up and drops the first guy to walk into his cell!
