I mean, the behavior of the community speaks for itself. They try so hard not being the thing they ran from three years ago, but in the midst of their attempt, they end up evolving into the very thing they ran from. Its like they just didn’t like being on the platform of origin, promised they’d do better, then realizing how separated they are to where they just recreated it by instinct.
Power-Tripping Mods, Gaslighting Users, Immature Moderators, 100 Rules to follow but contradicts itself .etc
I can just go on and on and on. Oh and I don’t even care about this stupid debate that happened between .ML and .World because there’s virtually no difference and it is just nothing but a sissy online slapfight.
Power-Tripping Mods, Gaslighting Users, Immature Moderators, 100 Rules to follow but contradicts itself
The point of the Fediverse is not that we individually have better characters than the people on Reddit. The point is that if you don’t like what an instance is doing, you can join an instance you do like, or make your own.
The problem with ‘making your own instance’ is, how little of active people there are to sustain such instances. You make it sound like we’re flourishing with millions of active users when we’re realistically seeing only five digit thousands and that’s being generous.
It’s not that simple.
The problem with ‘making your own instance’ is, how little of active people there are to sustain such instances.
You literally only need one person to make an instance: you.
You make it sound like we’re flourishing with millions of active users when we’re realistically seeing only five digit thousands and that’s being generous.
And that’s a problem? Personally, I want to see the Fediverse grow sustainably.
It’s not that simple.
No it actually is that simple to make an instance just for yourself. Actually, the challenge comes about when you grow, because then you have to moderate other users.
I think there’s a disconnect here.
No shit that you need one person to make it and it is yourself.
The problem is your unrealistic expectations by how you’re making it sound like just making an instance means automatic success of a community by denying the reality of just how active the general community as a whole is. People just simply don’t have that kind of patience. I know I wouldn’t, so no, I’m not going to be making my instances.
Why make the millionth Games-related instance when the current ones should be improved upon?
The problem is your unrealistic expectations by how you’re making it sound like just making an instance means automatic success of a community by denying the reality of just how active the general community as a whole is.
Sounds like you need to either find or make the community you want to see. Which in general, you can do (but some instances don’t let you make new communities I think), although it’s important to make the community on an instance whose policies are amenable to you.
And then if your community is worth going to, people will come.
You’re telling us we have unrealistic expectations when you’ve been here for 9 days. Clearly we don’t have unrealistic expectations if we enjoy being here with its “limited activity” (compared to reddit). You just don’t understand why we prefer it and are arguing instead of listening to people answer the question you asked.
I watched reddit grow for the 13 years I was active on it. I remember when it was small and just a forum like Something Awful and not the monster it became. I preferred that way. Lemmy is kinda similar to those early forums, but with its own idiosyncrasies. Be patient and wait to see if you like it, or fuckin leave, idc.
Among other things, it sounds like you’re conflating instances and communities. The instance is the server you connect to, the community is the group of posts you read, often on a number of different instances. You only need one person to make an instance, communities usually require more, unless you’re using Lemmy/Piefed to make a blog connected to a user base.
You’re measuring ‘success’ by quantity not quality, oblivious to the fact that 95% of that quantity of content is bot-driven ragebait.
The people here have who successfully managed the transition from Reddit never denied there was some good content on Reddit, they just got sick of having to wade through a river of shit to get to it.
If your Lemmy/PieFed experience so far is not what you hoped - make your own place with your own rules. Literally no one can stop you.
Ya, you’re definitely confusing instance with community. I get the argument that fragmented communities can be a problem, but the ability to roll your own instance is not the same thing and is in fact the strength of the fediverse.
Best not give it a tenth day.
The Fediverse principle is not to be the next big thing. Just wants to be a functional series of communities.
That’s it. Decentralization is not only important, but critical to avoid a lot of shortfalls now common in bigger corporate socials.
It’s great when people make it easy to know to block them.
Maybe I’m wrong but I don’t think most of us came here to leave the community of Reddit, just the admins/corporate decisions.
Dumb rules and power tripping mods have been a thing across every community on the internet and will be forever.
Yeah but there’s a distinct difference and you can tell a Reddit-like way of moderating within a mile. They just can’t handle pretty much anything and they act moreso on their own personal belief, even believing their own interpretation of the rules they set up and expect people to follow than the actual reality of the matter.
A normal functioning moderator wouldn’t cater to every little pettiness and resort to prissy levels.
Unpaid moderators should have the freedom to act according to their personal preferences. If moderation becomes a problem, the platform’s federated structure facilitates creating alternative communities.
I think a bit of a problem is, how it only facilitates creating alternative communities. I mean it definitely does… And now we have 15 technology communities. But that in itself isn’t necessarily better. And it’s super confusing for beginners who now need to learn all the drama and find out whether they want to join technology, or technology, or tech or another technology… It’d be better if we somehow managed to go some extra mile with that kind of functionality. I have all the expert knowledge to tell apart the tankie community from the anti-zionist one, from the pro-AI one… But that regularly takes a good amount of experience and getting yelled at. And I can see how it can be a bit of a letdown for newbies. They might just want to get started with some Reddit alternative without all the identity war and confusing (and not obvious) fragmentation.
Less fragmentation is definitely better, so while the option to split is always there with more options than are available on Reddit, ideally communities should stay united to avoid dividing already small userbases.
Is there a way to join two communities into one?
Hard disagree. People are people, doesn’t matter if you’re on Reddit, Lemmy, Piefed, X, Mastodon, Instagram, LinkedIn, etc.
What makes the Fediverse different is not users behavior, but how it’s decentealized instances and moderation works, as well as the user freedom to choose an instance akin to their ideals. Also the way that up and downvotes work.
In Reddit people farm karma because they want those digital points in their profile. Here you don’t have it. The up and downvotes are strict to the post itself, not to your account.
In Reddit you either accept Reddit’s rules and “behave” according to what they demand, or you get banned out of every discussion, requiring a whole new account if that happens (and hoping they don’t ban that account too, for ban evasion). Here if you get banned, you can access the discussion from any other instance - you’re not locked out for good.
The way Fediverse works makes discussion and different points of view possible. Maybe you can’t make a point in an instance, because they have a viewpoint different from yours and won’t accept that specific argument. But you might actually receive positive feedback with that same opinion on a different instance regarding the same topic.
On Fediverse you’re not permanently punished for going against the grain, contrary to Reddit. And you also don’t get praised and adding permanent “value” (karma) to your account by reposting some popular shit, also contrary to Reddit.
The difference in how Reddit and Lemmy/Piefed operate makes a HUGE difference.
That is pretty funny that after your thorough and extensive comparison the result is blocking. Thanks for taking the time to do that though. I’m new and recently transitioned from Reddit. It definitely feels very different here but I didn’t know how to describe it. The end really is much less hostility in general. I feel like there are more constructive conversations happening despite occasional breakdowns.
Finally
Welp, you took 9 days, if you’re going to leave, just leave.
Obviously the vast majority of people who see this will have made it more than 9 days tho
- No Spez
- No shareholders
- Third party apps
- Modlog
The main advantages of the top of my head.
From all the new refugees showing up here from Reddit, it sounds like things over there are even worse than when I left…
I go on Reddit occasionally on my work computer. It’s way way worse that when I switched in 2024. Basically state ran media with the same exact posts coming up in endless scroll. I hear that they now have some ID validation or some such garbage.
It sounds to me like you’ve never been on a forum before reddit existed. Decentralized forums were a healthy proportion of the internet in the late 90s and early naughts.
https://lemmy.ca/post/7243839/4029041
I already wrote about what’s different back in Oct 2023 in response to a complaint reminiscent of yours. Most important bit:
That’s what you will have to deal with in the de-centralized model, and I think it strikes a decent balance of allowing open communication, resisting overall censorship while still allowing some groups to censor out what they consider bad vibes.
Don’t like it? Spin up your own node. Run it as you see fit. That’s what’s different. Personally I’d prefer we go back to Usenet.
Block what bothers you and move on. Unlike Reddit, at least here you can find alternatives if you do it.
Piefed user exclusively interacting with lemmy.world content complains it’s too much like reddit. Okay, buddy.
I ran from a site whose CEO spread malicious lies about 3rd party app developers while changing things to charge them so much fir API access that it was effectively a soft ban on said apps existing without saying they were banned in top-tier scumminess, all so they could force people onto their shitty stolen buggy ad-infested app to crank up their own numbers for their IPO at the expense of the community and devs that propped them up.
I don’t see this happening on Lemmy.
No
You left reddit because you didn’t like the users. I left reddit because I didn’t like the corpo BS and the company trying to monetize what the users built. We are not the same.
If you want the things you posted about to be different, go roll your own.
We are ex-Reddit users. As we have been ex-Slashdot, ex-Digg, ex-forums, ex-etc. over the years. That doesn’t mean all those things are the same as each other. They’re different in important dimensions which made people move between them. Lemmy is not Reddit in important dimensions and this is why we’re now here instead of on Reddit.
Some of us started on Usenet.
Now, get off my lawn… /s
I’m showing my young age of high 30s am I not? 😆
