I didn’t like the comparison either.

Alfred is a fine man, and would probably be a damn good president.

OP made that comparison

See how much has changed?

You can’t just insist anyone that asks for more than Biden is a trump supporter.

You’re not trying to stop trump, you’re trying to bully people into supporting your candidate.

That doesn’t work.

Like. Historically those kind of campaigns lead to Republican presidents. I’m not saying it won’t work right here with me, I’m saying it’s not going to work on enough voters to stop trump. Just like it didn’t in 2016, and barely worked in 2020 before Biden was unapologetically supporting a genocide and being sued by the ACLU.

Dem voters vote more for someone they want than against something they don’t want.

It’s basic human psychology.

You don’t want to hear the best way to beat Trump, you want to start slap fights and screech at people until they vote for who you want.

Seriously, just take the L.

At this point with all the personal attacks, it really feels like you’re trying to bait me into banning you.

What others?

Because you still haven’t linked a single one where I say anything other than it’s not too late to not run Biden.

Honestly tho, this is getting real close to personal harassment and youve been repeatedly misrepresenting what others say

Just chill out and start following Lemmy.world’s civility rules.

Hell, you even left out part of the quote so it looks like I didn’t answer:

I hate how people phrase that like anyone saying Biden is a stupid risk, are just saying that because they have a favorite candidate…

Anyone that’s not pro-genocide, is pro-worker, and not trump would have a walkin victory.

You asked for one specific person, so AOC has the best chance to stop trump in my opinion.

She’s young, charismatic, a great public speaker, and can flip red states like Obama in 08 due to those traits.

You linked a comment where I said:

Except the Dems convention hasn’t happened yet and there’s still plenty of time to hire Batman a great butler who’s still capable…

Joker only has a chance if we run Alfred and he loses. We don’t have to run Alfred.

So if you want to do everything you can to stop Joker, Alfred needs to step aside and endorse his replacement

That is not at all what you’re saying it is.

Please try to keep it civil and not blatantly lie about what others have said.

That defeatist attitude is why the DNC keeps trying to cram more conservative candidates than the people want down America’s throat.

Like, if the most progressive candidates we get are past 70 and against progress…

Yeah. We’re not going to make progress even when we beat the fascists.

Its hard to blame anyone for the lack of progress except the people fighting progress…

It’s like choosing between Taco Bell and McDonald’s for dinner and then acting surprised we didn’t get a steak.

If we want steak, we gotta order from somewhere that at least has a chance of delivering a steak to the table.

It doesn’t mean steak is impossible, just impossible if we keep ordering from the same shitty fast food places.

The problem is one party plans decades ahead of time to bring fascism back to America…

And the only other option refuses to plan past getting elected.

Hell, the whole nation united under Biden to beat Trump, and as soon as Biden got in office (with house and Senate majorities) he spent two years "looking into’ what he could do.

We can’t half ass the fight against fascism and expect to make progress long term.

The party says who is on the ballot…

I really don’t think a significant amount of voters would write in Biden over any listed Dem.

Yeah…

You send them that back in an email telling them to submit a ticket.

If you fix it too, they’re not gonna put a ticket in.

Tell them that creating a ticket makes it count for your metrics, so the more people don’t use tickets, the less funding IT gets and your staff will get cut causing longer wait times.

People will understand that and submit tickets.

Biden and the people he appointed to head the DNC don’t have to be the people running the DNC…

We can replace them and have a functional leftwing party again.

It’s not quick, and it’s not painless, but it’s possible.

That’s not going to stop trump.

What will stop trump is running a good candidate.

But Biden and the people he appointed to run the DNC would rather trump win than Biden step aside for the good of the country

most people don’t have a visceral horror of fascism

No the problem is instead of:

Fascists vs non-fascist

We get:

Fascists vs slightly less fascist

That’s not good enough to win elections. It’s not a binary choice between 0 and 1, it’s 0.5 and 1.

Republicans will vote Republican no matter what.

Dem voters have always needed a candidate they like and/or agree with to turnout en mass and get the Dem elected.

It makes zero sense to keep blaming Dem voters for having standards instead of blaming party leaders for continuingly shoving candidates we don’t like down our throats.

There is zero reason to keep pushing unpopular candidates.

But because we all held our noses for Biden 4 years ago, he got to nominate DNC leadership and he picked idiots who say Biden is our only shot.

Holding our noses and voting for a candidate whose not for basic parts of the party platform, just moves the party platform and makes it even harder to get votes the next election.

So…

You don’t think it’s possible the DNC or Biden does the right thing to maximize our chances of beating trump?

The primary isn’t a real election. The DNC can just nominate someone else, they’ve been very open about it

And Biden can obviously just step aside.

Do you think they don’t care if trump wins? Or that they’d just rather that happen then a Dem candidate Dem voters want winning?

So…

To you, a link about how people can organize politically online…

Isn’t evidence that people can organize politically online?

Here’s the bad news - the primary is over

It’s not tho.

The convention is the end of the primary.

Biden appointed Jamie Harrison to the head of the DNC.

And Jamie Harrison set the convention for mid August.

If you don’t like it, go complain to them. But they picked when the primary was over.

Backed up with nothing but excuses and self-serving bullshit. You have zero evidence to back up your “claims” …

…

Wait…

So you want evidence that someone can use the Internet to organize politically?

I gotta admit, I didn’t see that coming.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/357176371_Online_political_participation_the_evolution_of_a_concept

I’m willing to put the time in, I think we can do this. Please don’t hesitate to keep asking if you don’t get it yet.

You’re acting like convincing me means anything…

Biden needs to convince 10s of millions of people. Politicians like Obama and Bill Clinton could do that, but they were charismatic in addition to being the lesser of two evils.

It just makes zero sense to be running Biden.

If all that matters is beating trump, why force a candidate that supports genocide? Why is it ok for Dems if trump is worse? Why not at least someone that people like and is a good speaker?

Like, you understand someone slightly less bad as trump is still pretty fucking bad?

Where do you draw the line if you’ll support “some” genocide?

If it was trump VS Mitch McConnell who would you vote for? Would you finally realize it’s the parties that need voters, not voters that need parties?

Oh, I absolutely agree they’re both pretty awful, but one is significantly worse.

We’re talking about genocide tho…

We’re asking people to support “some” genocide, and that “some” is actually quite a fucking lot of genocide.

And we’re not just asking Americans to overlook that, we’re asking young Dem voters to overlook it. A demographic who historically doesn’t like that shit going back for pretty much the entire existence of the party.

It makes absolutely zero sense except if the party as an entity wants to be as conservative as possible so when the nation has such a serious risk as trump, instead of the easy win of a candidate dem.voters want, we get someone significantly more conservative than the party, 82 years old, and uncharismatic.

It’s like someone at the DNC bet on winning, but not to cover the spread. So they’re trying to win by the smallest majority possible.

https://apnews.com/live/presidential-debate-2024-updates

The conflict between the Israelis and Palestinians is an especially vulnerable spot for Biden. With only 26% of U.S. adults approving of his handling of the issue, it’s well below his overall approval rating (39%). In the latest AP-NORC poll, nearly 6 in 10 Democrats disapprove of his approach to the conflict

trump is worse than Biden, and only 26% agree with Biden…

You don’t think it’s worth talking about when a foreign country buys off both parties in a two party system so that no matter what happens their interests (in this case a genocide) would be protected and funded?

You don’t see how this could be happening to a lesser extent in other areas like banking, healthcare, employment, and even social issues that religions care about?

Carl’s Jr and Hardee’s are also two different things, but two things don’t have to be absolutely identical to be compared to each other. If they were, we wouldn’t be comparing them because they would be the same.

I think that’s what you’re missing and why you’re accusing people of arguing in bad faith.

You just don’t understand the point they’re making, but you think you do.