I mean, the behavior of the community speaks for itself. They try so hard not being the thing they ran from three years ago, but in the midst of their attempt, they end up evolving into the very thing they ran from. Its like they just didn’t like being on the platform of origin, promised they’d do better, then realizing how separated they are to where they just recreated it by instinct.
Power-Tripping Mods, Gaslighting Users, Immature Moderators, 100 Rules to follow but contradicts itself .etc
I can just go on and on and on. Oh and I don’t even care about this stupid debate that happened between .ML and .World because there’s virtually no difference and it is just nothing but a sissy online slapfight.
You can’t see the offending comments on piefed/Pylova modlogs OP, but you can on Lemmy:
Lemmy is not Reddit and I’m so glad it’s not. It’s nowhere near as buggy for a start, and if an instance has issues you can just hop on to and browse another one instead of the whole fediverse and communities being inaccessible like on Reddit. Reddit was one of the most buggy things I’d ever used and I lost count the amount of times I had to close the app and reopen it again because profiles or posts would not load.
And another fantastic thing I just found out: karma has almost no meaning here!!! Not like on Reddit where a low enough karma could get your account in trouble and stop your posts and comments being seen. Here on Lemmy you can continue to have actual discussions without anything stupid like that getting in the way. People can contribute from day one without fear of shadowbans!!
So whatever problems Lemmy and the fediverse may have, I will take it any day over the buggy and karma obsessed cesspit that Reddit has become. Reddit used to be a place for disscussion when I joined there 5 years ago, now it’s just a collection of data harvesting echo chambers.
Lemmy is what Reddit used to be.
Umm no, Lemmy is not Reddit and I’m so glad it’s not. It’s nowhere near as buggy for a start, and if an instance has issues you can just hop on to and browse another one instead of the whole fediverse and communities being inaccessible like on Reddit. Reddit was one of the most buggy things I’d ever used and I lost count the amount of times I had to close the app and reopen it again because profiles or posts would not load.
And another fantastic thing I just found out: karma has almost no meaning here!!! Not like on Reddit where a low enough karma could get your account in trouble and stop your posts and comments being seen. Here on Lemmy you can continue to have actual discussions without anything stupid like that getting in the way. People can contribute from day one without fear of shadowbans!!
So whatever problems Lemmy and the fediverse may have, I will take it any day over the buggy and karma obsessed cesspit that Reddit has become. Reddit used to be a place for disscussion when I joined there 5 years ago, now it’s just a collection of data harvesting echo chambers.
Lemmy is what Reddit used to be.
It’s great when people make it easy to know to block them.
Maybe I’m wrong but I don’t think most of us came here to leave the community of Reddit, just the admins/corporate decisions.
Dumb rules and power tripping mods have been a thing across every community on the internet and will be forever.
Yeah but there’s a distinct difference and you can tell a Reddit-like way of moderating within a mile. They just can’t handle pretty much anything and they act moreso on their own personal belief, even believing their own interpretation of the rules they set up and expect people to follow than the actual reality of the matter.
A normal functioning moderator wouldn’t cater to every little pettiness and resort to prissy levels.
Unpaid moderators should have the freedom to act according to their personal preferences. If moderation becomes a problem, the platform’s federated structure facilitates creating alternative communities.
I think a bit of a problem is, how it only facilitates creating alternative communities. I mean it definitely does… And now we have 15 technology communities. But that in itself isn’t necessarily better. And it’s super confusing for beginners who now need to learn all the drama and find out whether they want to join technology, or technology, or tech or another technology… It’d be better if we somehow managed to go some extra mile with that kind of functionality. I have all the expert knowledge to tell apart the tankie community from the anti-zionist one, from the pro-AI one… But that regularly takes a good amount of experience and getting yelled at. And I can see how it can be a bit of a letdown for newbies. They might just want to get started with some Reddit alternative without all the identity war and confusing (and not obvious) fragmentation.
Less fragmentation is definitely better, so while the option to split is always there with more options than are available on Reddit, ideally communities should stay united to avoid dividing already small userbases.
Is there a way to join two communities into one?
Hard disagree. People are people, doesn’t matter if you’re on Reddit, Lemmy, Piefed, X, Mastodon, Instagram, LinkedIn, etc.
What makes the Fediverse different is not users behavior, but how it’s decentealized instances and moderation works, as well as the user freedom to choose an instance akin to their ideals. Also the way that up and downvotes work.
In Reddit people farm karma because they want those digital points in their profile. Here you don’t have it. The up and downvotes are strict to the post itself, not to your account.
In Reddit you either accept Reddit’s rules and “behave” according to what they demand, or you get banned out of every discussion, requiring a whole new account if that happens (and hoping they don’t ban that account too, for ban evasion). Here if you get banned, you can access the discussion from any other instance - you’re not locked out for good.
The way Fediverse works makes discussion and different points of view possible. Maybe you can’t make a point in an instance, because they have a viewpoint different from yours and won’t accept that specific argument. But you might actually receive positive feedback with that same opinion on a different instance regarding the same topic.
On Fediverse you’re not permanently punished for going against the grain, contrary to Reddit. And you also don’t get praised and adding permanent “value” (karma) to your account by reposting some popular shit, also contrary to Reddit.
The difference in how Reddit and Lemmy/Piefed operate makes a HUGE difference.
That is pretty funny that after your thorough and extensive comparison the result is blocking. Thanks for taking the time to do that though. I’m new and recently transitioned from Reddit. It definitely feels very different here but I didn’t know how to describe it. The end really is much less hostility in general. I feel like there are more constructive conversations happening despite occasional breakdowns.
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Welp, you took 9 days, if you’re going to leave, just leave.
Obviously the vast majority of people who see this will have made it more than 9 days tho
- No Spez
- No shareholders
- Third party apps
- Modlog
The main advantages of the top of my head.
From all the new refugees showing up here from Reddit, it sounds like things over there are even worse than when I left…
I go on Reddit occasionally on my work computer. It’s way way worse that when I switched in 2024. Basically state ran media with the same exact posts coming up in endless scroll. I hear that they now have some ID validation or some such garbage.
Power-Tripping Mods, Gaslighting Users, Immature Moderators, 100 Rules to follow but contradicts itself
The point of the Fediverse is not that we individually have better characters than the people on Reddit. The point is that if you don’t like what an instance is doing, you can join an instance you do like, or make your own.
The problem with ‘making your own instance’ is, how little of active people there are to sustain such instances. You make it sound like we’re flourishing with millions of active users when we’re realistically seeing only five digit thousands and that’s being generous.
It’s not that simple.
The Fediverse principle is not to be the next big thing. Just wants to be a functional series of communities.
That’s it. Decentralization is not only important, but critical to avoid a lot of shortfalls now common in bigger corporate socials.
The problem with ‘making your own instance’ is, how little of active people there are to sustain such instances.
You literally only need one person to make an instance: you.
You make it sound like we’re flourishing with millions of active users when we’re realistically seeing only five digit thousands and that’s being generous.
And that’s a problem? Personally, I want to see the Fediverse grow sustainably.
It’s not that simple.
No it actually is that simple to make an instance just for yourself. Actually, the challenge comes about when you grow, because then you have to moderate other users.
I think there’s a disconnect here.
No shit that you need one person to make it and it is yourself.
The problem is your unrealistic expectations by how you’re making it sound like just making an instance means automatic success of a community by denying the reality of just how active the general community as a whole is. People just simply don’t have that kind of patience. I know I wouldn’t, so no, I’m not going to be making my instances.
Why make the millionth Games-related instance when the current ones should be improved upon?
You’re measuring ‘success’ by quantity not quality, oblivious to the fact that 95% of that quantity of content is bot-driven ragebait.
The people here have who successfully managed the transition from Reddit never denied there was some good content on Reddit, they just got sick of having to wade through a river of shit to get to it.
If your Lemmy/PieFed experience so far is not what you hoped - make your own place with your own rules. Literally no one can stop you.
Best not give it a tenth day.
The problem is your unrealistic expectations by how you’re making it sound like just making an instance means automatic success of a community by denying the reality of just how active the general community as a whole is.
Sounds like you need to either find or make the community you want to see. Which in general, you can do (but some instances don’t let you make new communities I think), although it’s important to make the community on an instance whose policies are amenable to you.
And then if your community is worth going to, people will come.
Among other things, it sounds like you’re conflating instances and communities. The instance is the server you connect to, the community is the group of posts you read, often on a number of different instances. You only need one person to make an instance, communities usually require more, unless you’re using Lemmy/Piefed to make a blog connected to a user base.
You’re telling us we have unrealistic expectations when you’ve been here for 9 days. Clearly we don’t have unrealistic expectations if we enjoy being here with its “limited activity” (compared to reddit). You just don’t understand why we prefer it and are arguing instead of listening to people answer the question you asked.
I watched reddit grow for the 13 years I was active on it. I remember when it was small and just a forum like Something Awful and not the monster it became. I preferred that way. Lemmy is kinda similar to those early forums, but with its own idiosyncrasies. Be patient and wait to see if you like it, or fuckin leave, idc.
Ya, you’re definitely confusing instance with community. I get the argument that fragmented communities can be a problem, but the ability to roll your own instance is not the same thing and is in fact the strength of the fediverse.
9 days
Finally
This place isn’t a bot infested and advertisement strewn hell with cronenburgian user interface that blocks third party readers. The draw that’s its obscurity prevents the technologically or politically ignorant people from stumbling to it so easily is just a bonus.
cronenburgian user interface
Uhhh, what do you think David Cronenberg is famous for exactly?
They’ve got a comment from when their account was only 2 days old talking about how Reddit users are trashing Lemmy while also trashing Reddit. So FWIW this is probably an alt.
9 days
Is this someone from reddit trying to convince people to come back? 😂
- no advertising
- not run by a corporation
- freedom to find an instance aligned with your values
That’s a big deal to those of us who like lemmy/piefed. If you don’t care about those things, then yeah you might as well stay on Reddit.
It sounds to me like you’ve never been on a forum before reddit existed. Decentralized forums were a healthy proportion of the internet in the late 90s and early naughts.
https://lemmy.ca/post/7243839/4029041
I already wrote about what’s different back in Oct 2023 in response to a complaint reminiscent of yours. Most important bit:
That’s what you will have to deal with in the de-centralized model, and I think it strikes a decent balance of allowing open communication, resisting overall censorship while still allowing some groups to censor out what they consider bad vibes.
Don’t like it? Spin up your own node. Run it as you see fit. That’s what’s different. Personally I’d prefer we go back to Usenet.
Block what bothers you and move on. Unlike Reddit, at least here you can find alternatives if you do it.
