“Leftists” will be arguing ideological purity while getting ambushed in the woods
“Leftists” will be inadvertently getting leftists ambushed in the woods by inviting fascists and liberals into their organizations.
Purity testing like not doing genocide, not doing economic warfare or regime changes
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That’s commendable and I agree we shouldn’t forget those either, but statistically most white people didn’t give a damn, the civil rights would have never materialized without black people grabbing arms to defend themselves
There are like two good people in the white American mythos, and John Brown is one of them already! No, man, it’s a country of villains, a bloodthirsty, amoral empire and thank God it’s going down.
What happened to no politics you trolly trolling troll.
That uppity bitch wearing pants at a pro-segregatuon protest. We’ll fix her.
Imagine how embarrassing it would be to be related to anyone in this picture.
I imagine it’s a point of pride for many americans
it is and they only express this pride when this think that it’s safe from being shared w the general public.
wait. they were protesting for segregation?
Yep, they are protesting for a real cause/s
the civil rights movement has been incredibly whitewashed in US education. Americans were overwhelmingly against de-segregation, there was tons of violence against black Americans, and that violence was not solely committed by police officers.
The Klan might seem like a relic of the past now, but the KKK was incredibly powerful during the 50s and 60s, to the point where in my home state, 1/3 of men were Klansmen and were a significant political bloc. They weren’t just voting in politicians that supported their vile views though, they were lynching people and burning crosses on lawns and shit.
1/3? Man, those are rookie numbers. Something like 80% of my home state were members at one time.
(Which makes sense, as back then we had actual laws on the books that made us a ‘whites only’ state.)
It’s so unbelievably fucked up to me that this is a surprise for you.
Yes. Many baby boomers (and their parents) are racist as fuck. Especially in the south.
The baby boomers are a mixed bag, some have learned to change their perspective. The ~1920s - 1940s generation, not many left now, were often racist to the core and only believed that certain people of color were “one of the good ones.”
Yup. My grandmother was born in 1922 and the amount of casually racist things she dropped was crazy.
Doubt it was most grandparents. Somebody trying to keep the pot stirring.
True most just shared the beliefs without protesting
If you don’t think most white Americans are racist I have a bridge to sell you
You’re racist
Many scholars in sociology and Black Studies define racism not just as personal prejudice, but as a structural system that requires power to enforce racial bias. This framework argues that for prejudice to function as racism, it must be backed by societal power which leads to real-world consequences and material disadvantages for marginalized groups. From this perspective, a society where institutional power is held by white people, only white people can enact racism.
Anyone, regardless of race, can hold bigoted or prejudiced views, I do in fact hold prejudiced views of white people as racist.
Prejudice implies it’s an unfair characterization when it’s really not, but that might be the prejudice talking
I couldn’t imagine a better response to such an infantile attack lol. Thanks.
Calling someone racist because they hold prejudice views against white people is infantile–got it lol
If you’re gonna bait you gotta do a better job lol
Just stating facts. Feel free to try to convince me that hating on a group of people based on the color of their skin isn’t racist. I don’t buy this argument that one group of people can do it to another, but that group can’t do it back. Not one single bit
Like I said, you’re racist. It only takes one asshole to begin turning groups of people against others based on the color of their skin, and here you are doing it.
White people are invented it and are mostly all already doing it. You have all the power and we have none, You have a child’s understanding of the world.
Bruh, everybody has oppressed everybody at some point. Just accept that everybody can be racist against everybody, and it’s happening right here in this Lemmy thread
Boo hoo, cry some more of your white fragility tears
Lol
I’ll only buy it if a black neighborhood was bulldozed in order to build it
It’s hyperbole, but most white people back in the day opposed the civil rights movement
What’s the argument here? Is it that America has always been that? YES, WE KNOW, WE WANT THAT TO CHANGE.
You’re canadian. Perhaps you can see it clearer,
But americans DON’T see this. Their eyes must be pryed open.
The land of refuge for SS division Galizien, the trucker convoy, starlight tours, etc…
As a European I had the wrong idea that Canada was better/different, boy was I wrong.Canada IS in many ways better and different than america. The problem is that the bar is DISTURBINGLY low.
true, they have more rights for their citizens, etc…
somewhat European, but the right-wing influence is on American level.When comparing 2 countries you can’t just focus on “Politics”. Theres much more like levels of education, wealth disparity, like how the judiciary functions to consider too.
There are many realms of life where canada rofl stomps america.
Yes the right wing political influence is bad. It is a present threat and it comes from america. But you have to see that it also doesn’t have widespread support. Canadians hate that shit and refuse to tolerate it more so than americans.
And in a period of post-covid economic struggle, canadians succumbed to the brain worms and immigrant blaming that you see world wide, but they ultimately overcame it.
They didn’t allow right wing rhetorician who would inevitably make things worse to seize power. In fact he didn’t even win his own seat during the last election.
(This is not to say canada is perfect or even great for it’s citizens, but again if you are comparing to america it is bar none superior)
When comparing 2 countries you can’t just focus on “Politics”.
I don’t.
Yes the right wing political influence is bad. It is a present threat and it comes from america
Now that I totally disagree with.
Of course influence from the US is never good but Canadians have ample racism and fascism all by their own doing.
Not in the least by the Ukrainian influence.They didn’t allow right wing rhetorician who would inevitably make things worse to seize power. In fact he didn’t even win his own seat during the last election.
Plenty other politicians from your parties have shown awfully racist behavior.
Also they still support and even arm israeli genociders, help the US and other regimes in war crimes, etc…
Not to mention the eternal racism against natives.Obviously compared to the US Canada is less bad, still it’s despicable and unacceptable in many ways and you portraying it favorably is a lot of wishfull thinking at best, if not delusional.
Maybe you’re Canadian and have no frame of reference except the shithole taht is the US.
I can’t seem to find a place where we disagree. You seem to want to bloviate on about how canada is complicit in global death and destruction and suffering. These facts are undeniable.
My point is and always has been, that canada is not as bad as the us. Literally not that canada is good, which you seem to be misconstruing it as. So either argue for canada being worse than the us, or lets agree to agree and fuck off.
It cannot change as a nation. Any movement for federal reform is a lost cause. Certain states and municipalities could change, and that is where the future is for some citizens.
I DON’T BELIEVE THAT IS TRUE.
Ah yeah, you’re right. Let’s back the faschists together! 🩷
We’re in .ml it’s a Russian psyop
Any evidence?
I think they’re just hoping because if y’all do it for free it gets a little sad.
I pay dues to the org I work with, I don’t think it’s sad at all to want the working classes to finally be liberated, and work towards that goal.
Nah, in this thread no less that 4 users on ML basically said wipe America out, despite millions protesting, despite the systemic issues like vote suppression and first pass the post that allowed them to win you put all of the sins on the general public which is problematic at best.
I’m not saying that America is good, under its current leadership it is absolutely a destabilizing force in the world. But to pass those sins onto the general public is troublesome.
I want you to imagine if people said the same thing about Russia or China or Israel. Do you understand how many innocent people would die for the actions of their government? There would be no nation left because no nation is without guilt.
Cringe
You’re both right because there is no We in America.
That is the problem we must solve.
Perhaps there should be no “america” at all. Seems like that option would save the world from a lot of death, and destruction and economic rape.
It depends on if you are talking about the entity or the people in the entity.
If the former, I do not disagree. There need not be states at all in fact, as a matter of preference.
If you are talking about the people, well, it sounds like you are talking about more death and destruction so no thanks.
Strongest Reader in America Award 🏅
Why don’t you re-read my comment and see if I said “America” or, “Americans”.
Take your time, I’ll wait.
That is very kind of you. I am a strong reader; in fact I’m not too humble to mention that I was the recipient of multiple Pizza Hut Personal Pan Pizzas in my youth, as recognition for my excellent reading skills, and so it is touching for you to recognize it.
My fellow strong readers will be well aware that there are multiple ways for a country to cease existing. Some peaceful, and some violent.
As thoroughly insightful, erudite, and compellingly written as that gem of a comment was, it did not specify. And given your server, it seemed prudent to seek specifics.
Thank you for the helpful response.
“Communists want to kill all americans”
You got it buddy, I’m against human death and destruction, EXCEPT for americans somehow. Because they aren’t people? Or something?
Yeah that would be a weird contingency, especially because it was never stated or suggested. This strawman, conceived entirely of your preconceived notions, that you started arguing against, would indeed be illogical. Great shit sherlock.
So keep your medallion, you’ve earned it. And I’m glad we wasted all this time appealing to your nonsensical and delicate sensibilities. You’re superior mind is exactly why commies want to kill you. You’re just too motherfuckin smart.
Racism is imbued in America’s DNA. It’s never easy to root out something so foundational. It takes a real hard look in the mirror and, let’s be honest, when America looks at itself in the mirror it isn’t for self-reflection.
Members of labor unions, and unorganized unskilled workers, will sooner or later realize that their government is not even trying to prevent wages from sinking or to prevent jobs from being exported. Around the same time, they will realize that suburban white-collar workers—themselves desperately afraid of being downsized—are not going to let themselves be taxed to provide social benefits for anyone else.
At that point, something will crack. The nonsuburban electorate will decide that the system has failed and start looking for a strongman to vote for — someone willing to assure them that, once he is elected, the smug bureaucrats, tricky lawyers, overpaid bond salesmen, and postmodernist professors will no longer be calling the shots. A scenario like that of Sinclair Lewis’ novel It Can’t Happen Here may then be played out. For once such a strongman takes office, nobody can predict what will happen. In 1932, most of the predictions made about what would happen if Hindenburg named Hitler chancellor were wildly overoptimistic.
One thing that is very likely to happen is that the gains made in the past 40 years by black and brown Americans, and by homosexuals, will be wiped out. Jocular contempt for women will come back into fashion. The words ‘nigger’ and ‘kike’ will once again be heard in the workplace. All the sadism which the academic left has tried to make unacceptable to its students will come flooding back. All the resentment which badly educated Americans feel about having their manners dictated to them by college graduates will find an outlet.
Achieving our Country by Richard Rorty (1998).
America isn’t alone in its racism, it’s everywhere.
By no means is it alone but it is absolutely unique in having imported millions of slaves across an ocean, predicating its initial society and economy on a race based caste system. Yes a civil war was fought but, even afterwards, many supported continuing this race based caste system and so it persisted in the form of segregation, which existed during the lives of our parents and grandparents. Without a legitimate act of national reflection and reconciliation these wounds and fault lines won’t heal.
That guy wrote cursive on his sign.
These are the people in power now. There should be an international year or celebration when the last person born before the year 2000 dies, with minor celebrations for each decade leading up to that year.
American liberals spent YEARS fighting anyone who suggested racism was still alive in america. But how could it be? They elected a half black man as president?
Nevermind the indiscriminate bombings by said psychopath and the first election of trump. During bidens term, racism was dead again! Somehow!
Until those very same liberals used racism to explain kamala harris’ rejection by the public. Even to this day they won’t attribute racism in explaining ice’s actions. In fact most didn’t care how many people died at ice’s hands until white people got shot in the face.
In summary, americans, and yes american liberals are deeply racist, selfish and uneducated people. Their worldview makes no sense. And they are all unfathomably, profoundly stupid.
Its funny, if liberals spent half as much energy actually fighting racism rather than the idea it still exists maybe we would actually be getting somewhere
Please tell me you’re from a troll farm. Bcz this is a hot take if I’ve ever seen one.
No, it’s actually pretty lukewarm to anyone who has been able to engage with critiques of liberalism without jumping into defense mode these past few years.
Yeah, sometimes I think this site is really stupid. Everything is an argument about who is the most left wing pure individual. And then we wonder why the right has taken over this country and we’re closer than ever to a literal christiofascist dictatorship.
The reason is that liberal democracies are dictatorships of capital, where the elites have massive power over who even gets to run as a candidate, what ideas are acceptable and so on. We can’t win in this system because the system is rigged from beginning to end, and even when we do miraculously win we can get our elected officials killed and replaced. Look at what they did to Salvador Allende in Chile.
The game is rigged in such a way where one party can simply be extremely exploitative and violent and the other party can be 99% the same and sometimes win by saying “we’re not THOSE guys”. You need money for campaigns, so you can’t realistically threaten billionaires, and if you do betray them they won’t have any qualms getting rid of you illegally.
It’s not our collective fault, or purity testing, or whatever else, it’s the system working as intended for the people who pull the strings, just look at the people in the Epstein files and notice that both parties engaged in the debauchery, look at how Bernie was betrayed by the DNC, and so on and on.
But hey, if purity testing is not being okay with genocide or invading and bombing people in the global south I’m glad there are leftists who do purity testing.
Right…I’m so glad we are now importing our awful foreign policies at home 🙄
You make me sick. If you find what I said surprising, then what your country is was made for and by you.
Open your eyes and demand better.
American liberals spent YEARS fighting anyone who suggested racism was still alive in america.
The standard line was that racism was a Southern trait, while Northern and Western liberals had somehow expunged themselves of the habit. At the same time, you had liberals from the Carter era onward bemoaning failures within the African American and Latin American communities to integrate properly. It was always the minority’s fault for failing to conform. It was never racism among liberals that widened the divide.
Even to this day they won’t attribute racism in explaining ice’s actions. In fact most didn’t care how many people died at ice’s hands until white people got shot in the face.
You can run this all the way back to the LA Riots, easily enough. Nevermind the anti-Muslim racism of the post-9/11 era, the Obama-era backlash to civil rights movements during Occupy and then again during BLM. It’s always and forever the minority’s fault for objecting to oppression. People of Color are never sufficiently civil. They don’t respect the norms. They want special favors. They can’t be trusted to argue in good faith. They’ve got dual loyalties. They’re not real Americans.
Even when you have Obama or Harris on the fucking ballot, you need them or their proxies effectively apologizing for their blackness and denouncing anyone of color who doesn’t agree with their neoliberal politics.
In summary, americans, and yes american liberals are deeply racist, selfish and uneducated people.
I don’t think they’re uneducated. All too often, I’ve seen racism taught - implicitly or explicitly - as justification for the modern social order. They’re educated in bigotry. They’re trained to think like this.
This is a phenomenal take. I have no notes and agree with that perspective. It is reinforced and baked into educational institutions, on top of implicit education like social control. Fantastic stuff, thank you.
What’s crazy is in my area, most people are Cajun, the Cajuns faced so much discrimination, deportation and even an attempted genocide, and successful assimilation, Cajun French is essentially a dead language. Their Great and great great grandparents were facing discrimination for being accepting of people of color and for not speaking English. Yet due to lack of education of their own history most Cajuns don’t realize they’re perpetuation the very I justices their ancestors went through, hell, half there’s a huge population of cajuns that are POC and don’t even realize it!
be “European religious”
genocide the locals
depend on chattel slavery to work the now empty land
even though they do what you won’t and would never do what you do, you still find them inferior somehow, less than human
same with any group that isn’t too Anglo/Germanic, actually, on a colour gradient
use gunboat diplomacy and raids to keep your neighbours subservient
use racism to push for war, generation after generation, and they still eat it up
rape and pillage brown places to your heart’s content
abuse, murder and incarcerate brown people back home because slavery is still legal if you’re in jail
But ICE is shocking, lol. No, American hatred, amorality and self-centeredness to the point of psychopathy allowed for both.
