What’s crazy is in my area, most people are Cajun, the Cajuns faced so much discrimination, deportation and even an attempted genocide, and successful assimilation, Cajun French is essentially a dead language. Their Great and great great grandparents were facing discrimination for being accepting of people of color and for not speaking English. Yet due to lack of education of their own history most Cajuns don’t realize they’re perpetuation the very I justices their ancestors went through, hell, half there’s a huge population of cajuns that are POC and don’t even realize it!
That uppity bitch wearing pants at a pro-segregatuon protest. We’ll fix her.
Imagine how embarrassing it would be to be related to anyone in this picture.
I imagine it’s a point of pride for many americans
it is and they only express this pride when this think that it’s safe from being shared w the general public.
wait. they were protesting for segregation?
Yep, they are protesting for a real cause/s
Yes. Many baby boomers (and their parents) are racist as fuck. Especially in the south.
The baby boomers are a mixed bag, some have learned to change their perspective. The ~1920s - 1940s generation, not many left now, were often racist to the core and only believed that certain people of color were “one of the good ones.”
Yup. My grandmother was born in 1922 and the amount of casually racist things she dropped was crazy.
It’s so unbelievably fucked up to me that this is a surprise for you.
the civil rights movement has been incredibly whitewashed in US education. Americans were overwhelmingly against de-segregation, there was tons of violence against black Americans, and that violence was not solely committed by police officers.
The Klan might seem like a relic of the past now, but the KKK was incredibly powerful during the 50s and 60s, to the point where in my home state, 1/3 of men were Klansmen and were a significant political bloc. They weren’t just voting in politicians that supported their vile views though, they were lynching people and burning crosses on lawns and shit.
1/3? Man, those are rookie numbers. Something like 80% of my home state were members at one time.
(Which makes sense, as back then we had actual laws on the books that made us a ‘whites only’ state.)
Doubt it was most grandparents. Somebody trying to keep the pot stirring.
True most just shared the beliefs without protesting
If you don’t think most white Americans are racist I have a bridge to sell you
I’ll only buy it if a black neighborhood was bulldozed in order to build it
You’re racist
Many scholars in sociology and Black Studies define racism not just as personal prejudice, but as a structural system that requires power to enforce racial bias. This framework argues that for prejudice to function as racism, it must be backed by societal power which leads to real-world consequences and material disadvantages for marginalized groups. From this perspective, a society where institutional power is held by white people, only white people can enact racism.
Anyone, regardless of race, can hold bigoted or prejudiced views, I do in fact hold prejudiced views of white people as racist.
Like I said, you’re racist. It only takes one asshole to begin turning groups of people against others based on the color of their skin, and here you are doing it.
Boo hoo, cry some more of your white fragility tears
Lol
White people are invented it and are mostly all already doing it. You have all the power and we have none, You have a child’s understanding of the world.
Bruh, everybody has oppressed everybody at some point. Just accept that everybody can be racist against everybody, and it’s happening right here in this Lemmy thread
Prejudice implies it’s an unfair characterization when it’s really not, but that might be the prejudice talking
I couldn’t imagine a better response to such an infantile attack lol. Thanks.
Calling someone racist because they hold prejudice views against white people is infantile–got it lol
If you’re gonna bait you gotta do a better job lol
Just stating facts. Feel free to try to convince me that hating on a group of people based on the color of their skin isn’t racist. I don’t buy this argument that one group of people can do it to another, but that group can’t do it back. Not one single bit
It’s hyperbole, but most white people back in the day opposed the civil rights movement
Half my grandparents were in Syria and the other half were fighting against segregation. People like Anne Braden were around and I choose to identify with her America while disowning and shaming scumbags like ICE and those pictured. There are historical Americans that can and should be absolutely shamed and there are ones that did everything in their power to improve the country for all. Neither should be forgotten or minimized for their impact.
There are like two good people in the white American mythos, and John Brown is one of them already! No, man, it’s a country of villains, a bloodthirsty, amoral empire and thank God it’s going down.
That’s commendable and I agree we shouldn’t forget those either, but statistically most white people didn’t give a damn, the civil rights would have never materialized without black people grabbing arms to defend themselves
be “European religious”
genocide the locals
depend on chattel slavery to work the now empty land
even though they do what you won’t and would never do what you do, you still find them inferior somehow, less than human
same with any group that isn’t too Anglo/Germanic, actually, on a colour gradient
use gunboat diplomacy and raids to keep your neighbours subservient
use racism to push for war, generation after generation, and they still eat it up
rape and pillage brown places to your heart’s content
abuse, murder and incarcerate brown people back home because slavery is still legal if you’re in jail
But ICE is shocking, lol. No, American hatred, amorality and self-centeredness to the point of psychopathy allowed for both.
The younger people in this photo are probably pushing 70 or so, anyone that was over 30 is probably a corpse by now.
Apples are from Kazakhstan.
Those are the folks demanding “state’s rights” while supporting invasion of states by federal troops and downplaying the 2nd amendment.
Every time someone says ICE is “unamerican” i have a little aneurism inside
It’s like the donald trump is a russian asset talk,
Because no american could do such heinous things right?
Donald trump is AMERICAN and is a reflection of america. People just can’t come to terms with reality, regardless of how clearly it’s spelled out for them.
He is a Russian Asset though, I would place most of his actions on the heritage foundation but they’ve been warning for years before he took office that he has Russian strings.
Sure it’s not the reason he does everything but he has big enough lips to kiss many asses.
So “asset” just means fucking anything to you people huh?
Yeah, it means he is in a position to act in the interest of the Kremlin because they have leverage on him
Yes, also it feels like people think “He is a Russian asset” to mean “he will always do what Russia wants and Russia wants to take over the US.”
The goal is destabilizing their primary opponent in the world stage. And Trump and the GOP are doing a stellar job.
BUT WHY IS HE DOING THIS FOR RUSSIA?!?! IS HE A SPY? Why would he “destabilize russias primary opponent”?? Does he have some crazy ulterior motives?
What kind of conspiracy bullshit is this? Is your reality so fractured? You people will do anything to justify your politicians fucking you, and it’s maddening. Heres a thought,
He’s a bad man. Bad people do bad things even when those things include hurting americans. Why would he do this? If you’re still confused as to why, read the first sentence of this paragraph again.
“But it’s so un-american”. Yeah well your “american values” are nonsensical made up bullshit that mean different things to different people.
I’m sick of having to explain things to americans like they are fucking toddlers.
I think the Russian asset angle makes sense. The hate Trump has tapped into is All-American, but a lot of his actions seem to advance Russian interests at the expense of traditional American interests
People like you are why america is fucked.
Trumps actions are merely hurting america’s hegemony, and many benefit from this. One of those country, Russia’s interests are in being a global super power, thus competing with america. And america and russia have generally been ideological enemies. It doesn’t take a genius to put 2 and 2 together.
Seriously man, it’s not fucking hard. Why does nobody think he’s a chinese asset? Or a north korean asset? Or a venezuelan asset? Or a myriad of other countries who compete with and strongly dislike america (and growing).
Now you need to wake the fuck up to the fact that this is what america is! You know those concentration camps trump is using? They were built by obama. That genocide in gaza? Cosigned by biden. What is happening now was orchestrated and carefully built by your leaders and countrymen for CENTURIES. It’s also what you have been doing abroad ALL ALONG.
So no trump isn’t a fucking asset, he’s just using the system YOU BUILT to advance his interests, and the interests of stephen miller and those around him. And here is the part that will really blow your goddamned mind. Every one of them ARE AMERICANS.
THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE, THIS IS WHAT YOU DO AND THIS IS WHAT YOU ALWAYS HAVE BEEN so shut the FUCK UP about the asset talk already. Why would he not lift sanctions on russia if he was an asset hmmm? Or why bomb and attack one of russias most important and key allies? Actually 2 of russias key allies, in january alone?! During a war? SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD REALLY HURT RUSSIA RIGHT?!?!?!?! If he’s an asset then his actions don’t make a lot of fucking sense now, do they.
Enjoy living in homegrown fascism. You’ve earned it.
Sorry I didn’t realize it was my fault.
The decline of American Hegemony helps China as much as Russia, sure. It likely helps them more as they’re better positioned to take advantage of it. But his Rhetoric towards Russia has warmed up a lot, whereas China not so much.
He asked Russia to hack his opponent, and they did.
He took the word of Putin over his own intelligence.
He’s said he wouldn’t support NATO allies if attacked by Russia if they had contributed enough.
Paul Manafort was his campaign manager.
And the action in Venezuela could be seen as a net positive for Russia. It makes them seem like hypocrites for complaining about Russia attacking Ukraine when they don’t respect sovereignty either. It suggests that maybe the super powers can do as they like in their own backyard, like Russia attacking Ukraine, or China planning to attack Taiwan.
So it doesn’t seem crazy to me. I don’t think it’s a driving factor anymore, as being a rapist isn’t the deal breaker we thought it was, but its possible they had something on him and that it affected policy.
I think it’s crazier to suggest that Trump hasn’t dramatically shifted policy, and its just a continuation of the same general direction as always. In some ways Trump has gone ‘mask off’ while continuing on the same as always, but just taking off the mask is a big change in itself. But beyond that, yes, policy has clearly changed and the US has shifted away from Nato im ways that scare western Europe and are celebrated in Russia. So Trump has stopped pretending the US is acting on behalf of justice when it uses its military to advance it’s interests, but has also changed those interests in significant ways.
And no it’s not like these changes arent being implemented by and supported by Americans in power ($). Some are driven by hate, most of it is just about money though as the billionaires arent rich enough yet. Putin isn’t pulling the strings on Trump, but it seems naive to dismiss it entirely. The hate that enables them is homegrown American hate, but its again naive to suggest Russia wouldn’t try to steer the US into a downward spiral by supporting politicians more aligned with their interests, just as it would be to dismiss the CIA meddling in other countries to support politicians aligned with them.
But am I am sorry for bringing facism to the US. It was not my intention and im pretty disappointed to hear that I did. Sorry guys
I just don’t understand why you only focus on russia. Many people root for the downfall of nato. If this is your level of analysis of the situation, then there’s really not a lot to say.
You deserve your country and president.
It started with the shirtless pics on horseback and since then, I’ve had trouble focusing on other state actors
Sounds like something a Russian asset would say taps head in american
Joking aside, I agree, the US has rotten bones and that’s hard to shake or build upon without the rot spreading. I’d argue, though, there aren’t many nations in the world that aren’t built on racism and genocide, xenophobic white people really got around a couple hundred plus years ago.
There are people in the US that weren’t raised racist, and ones who were but fell far from the tree, just like there are anywhere else. I think the major failing those people (I’d like to say we) have here is a lack of imagination of how we can move to a better tomorrow. The problem is so big and runs so deep its hard to think about its shape much less ways to change it.
Our media pushes us very specific propaganda, our health care is a joke, our education floundering (broken if you live in some places), and our lives demand most of our waking hours to pay for food and shelter. Its no good excuse, but largely Americans aren’t evil, just tired, sick, and poor, and they don’t have the extra to give until everything around them is crumbling. That looks lazy to people who haven’t lived it, but you’ll have to trust this lefty on the internet when I say its not lazy, maybe some learned helplessness, but definitely tired. Come to Mississippi (please don’t do this and don’t read it as a threat) and live for a couple weeks, you’ll see it quick.
Shoot we’re also talking about a pretty big place. Oregon to Virginia is a long way and there’s a pretty big culture gradient in the middle.
I hope our friends around the world block us out, push their leaders to dismantle the crap institutions the US has exported for generations, and really question their own biases before it gets as bad as this. I don’t think the US is unique in any significant way, y’all are susceptible to these things too, it’ll just be a different flavor and a different time, and I’d like to hope we will have fixed our shit by then in time to have your back, but I’m pessimistic.
I try to differentiate between nations and citizens here, where I can. We aren’t our grandparents, but our government literally is and was made by them.
Also trump did get help from Russian organizations to get elected in 2016, so there’s clearly ties, and not in the same way to China or Venezuela. Also also he can be both a fundamentally American creation and a Russian asset, that would be very effective as a way to dismantle the post WWII status quo, which seems to be a specific goal of Putin’s Russia. FWIW I don’t really think he’s a direct asset, though there are 100% people around him on the take from whoever will pay, I’m just imagining why someone might believe that.
Yes many countries have horrifying origins. Yet there is one country that overwhelmingly exports white supremacism, violence, death, xenophobia and racism en masse. This country has been doing it, and still does it today, if not forcing other countries to adopt it by threat of it’s overwhelming military.
Americans just sat back and let this happen. In fact they continue to do so , and I have no doubt they will in the future too. It’s a fundamental lack of empathy. Yes propaganda, crumbling systems, blah blah blah, it all plays a part, but american “leftists” can’t help but welcome these psychopaths or platner or be useless when it comes to meaningful change. Your country is deeply sick, and I’m sick of pretending the people are merely victims instead of also being complicit.
And then comes along people like you to make justifications, downplay attrocity, and push blame around. Good job doing your part, now Fuck off. Don’t reply to me anymore.
ICE is as American as political violence and providing safe refuge for Nazis.
You might get that looked into
You think he can afford that?!
Can they be historically American, but ideologically unfit for what we want America to be and the values many of us hold, and therefore align with the values of change for the better?
I understand the urge, but at what point are we having to pull out so many wires that it’s no longer the same thing? I think America exists beyond that point. Anything worthwhile we build out of this rotten mess will need to be so different that it won’t make much sense to call it by the same name.
What happened to no politics you trolly trolling troll.
European settlers when they pretend to be distinct from Europeans:
I try to view the liberal “this isn’t us” and “wow, this is just like [other country]” as a sign of progress because it means that not only do they acknowledge it’s bad, they are trying to form a national identity that explicitly rejects these values.
It’s far from perfect, but it’s a lot better than condoning it.
What’s the argument here? Is it that America has always been that? YES, WE KNOW, WE WANT THAT TO CHANGE.
It cannot change as a nation. Any movement for federal reform is a lost cause. Certain states and municipalities could change, and that is where the future is for some citizens.
I DON’T BELIEVE THAT IS TRUE.
Ah yeah, you’re right. Let’s back the faschists together! 🩷
We’re in .ml it’s a Russian psyop
Cringe
Any evidence?
I think they’re just hoping because if y’all do it for free it gets a little sad.
I pay dues to the org I work with, I don’t think it’s sad at all to want the working classes to finally be liberated, and work towards that goal.
Nah, in this thread no less that 4 users on ML basically said wipe America out, despite millions protesting, despite the systemic issues like vote suppression and first pass the post that allowed them to win you put all of the sins on the general public which is problematic at best.
I’m not saying that America is good, under its current leadership it is absolutely a destabilizing force in the world. But to pass those sins onto the general public is troublesome.
I want you to imagine if people said the same thing about Russia or China or Israel. Do you understand how many innocent people would die for the actions of their government? There would be no nation left because no nation is without guilt.
You’re both right because there is no We in America.
That is the problem we must solve.
Perhaps there should be no “america” at all. Seems like that option would save the world from a lot of death, and destruction and economic rape.
It depends on if you are talking about the entity or the people in the entity.
If the former, I do not disagree. There need not be states at all in fact, as a matter of preference.
If you are talking about the people, well, it sounds like you are talking about more death and destruction so no thanks.
Strongest Reader in America Award 🏅
Why don’t you re-read my comment and see if I said “America” or, “Americans”.
Take your time, I’ll wait.
That is very kind of you. I am a strong reader; in fact I’m not too humble to mention that I was the recipient of multiple Pizza Hut Personal Pan Pizzas in my youth, as recognition for my excellent reading skills, and so it is touching for you to recognize it.
My fellow strong readers will be well aware that there are multiple ways for a country to cease existing. Some peaceful, and some violent.
As thoroughly insightful, erudite, and compellingly written as that gem of a comment was, it did not specify. And given your server, it seemed prudent to seek specifics.
Thank you for the helpful response.
“Communists want to kill all americans”
You got it buddy, I’m against human death and destruction, EXCEPT for americans somehow. Because they aren’t people? Or something?
Yeah that would be a weird contingency, especially because it was never stated or suggested. This strawman, conceived entirely of your preconceived notions, that you started arguing against, would indeed be illogical. Great shit sherlock.
So keep your medallion, you’ve earned it. And I’m glad we wasted all this time appealing to your nonsensical and delicate sensibilities. You’re superior mind is exactly why commies want to kill you. You’re just too motherfuckin smart.
You’re canadian. Perhaps you can see it clearer,
But americans DON’T see this. Their eyes must be pryed open.
The land of refuge for SS division Galizien, the trucker convoy, starlight tours, etc…
As a European I had the wrong idea that Canada was better/different, boy was I wrong.Canada IS in many ways better and different than america. The problem is that the bar is DISTURBINGLY low.
true, they have more rights for their citizens, etc…
somewhat European, but the right-wing influence is on American level.When comparing 2 countries you can’t just focus on “Politics”. Theres much more like levels of education, wealth disparity, like how the judiciary functions to consider too.
There are many realms of life where canada rofl stomps america.
Yes the right wing political influence is bad. It is a present threat and it comes from america. But you have to see that it also doesn’t have widespread support. Canadians hate that shit and refuse to tolerate it more so than americans.
And in a period of post-covid economic struggle, canadians succumbed to the brain worms and immigrant blaming that you see world wide, but they ultimately overcame it.
They didn’t allow right wing rhetorician who would inevitably make things worse to seize power. In fact he didn’t even win his own seat during the last election.
(This is not to say canada is perfect or even great for it’s citizens, but again if you are comparing to america it is bar none superior)
When comparing 2 countries you can’t just focus on “Politics”.
I don’t.
Yes the right wing political influence is bad. It is a present threat and it comes from america
Now that I totally disagree with.
Of course influence from the US is never good but Canadians have ample racism and fascism all by their own doing.
Not in the least by the Ukrainian influence.They didn’t allow right wing rhetorician who would inevitably make things worse to seize power. In fact he didn’t even win his own seat during the last election.
Plenty other politicians from your parties have shown awfully racist behavior.
Also they still support and even arm israeli genociders, help the US and other regimes in war crimes, etc…
Not to mention the eternal racism against natives.Obviously compared to the US Canada is less bad, still it’s despicable and unacceptable in many ways and you portraying it favorably is a lot of wishfull thinking at best, if not delusional.
Maybe you’re Canadian and have no frame of reference except the shithole taht is the US.
I can’t seem to find a place where we disagree. You seem to want to bloviate on about how canada is complicit in global death and destruction and suffering. These facts are undeniable.
My point is and always has been, that canada is not as bad as the us. Literally not that canada is good, which you seem to be misconstruing it as. So either argue for canada being worse than the us, or lets agree to agree and fuck off.
