Is this not also true for liberals who aren’t white?
yes. i did not create this image
I think the point of the words inclusion is that you might have a very different perspective of the implications and effectiveness of voting when the state doesn’t explicitly cater to your identity as the default.
Or bearded. You can be a clean shaven, tan, even a woman and the meme still works.
Race baiting to distract from the class war?
Why is this type of privileged exclusionary 1 dimension opinion even upvoted?
There are multiple problems that matter at any given time.
Saying that racism is a distraction ignores the very real people who are being harmed right now because they aren’t you, and thus you don’t care about them. “I got mine” but about other issues.
Some take for a socialist to have really…
Some take for a socialist to have really…
I wouldn’t assume they are one.
what about classbaiting?
Moron
No you gotta do it harder.
-idk blue maga probably
The upside-down corpse of Mussolini might disagree with that
Funny, posting said article on a nazi platform.
Write more non-Nazi stuff and it will stop being a Nazi platform.
The owner of the site is a fucking nazi so there no making it un nazi. Like keeping X cause you think you can change it from a white supremacist site.
Like keeping X cause you think you can change it from a white supremacist site.
I still lurk on Twitter. Calling it a “white supremacist site” is just… Silly. The whole point of social media is that it’s the users who create content.
I’m seeing a lot of right-wing fundamentalists being clapped by sane people. The only time I see any nazi/fascist/supremacist content is when it’s getting ratio’d or just ridiculed.
I’m not saying this content isn’t there, but I’m saying there’s still a lot of people fighting the good fight. Packing up your toys and going home is not really a method for anything other than getting completely marginalised, IMO.
Once they win elections, it’s already too late.
Hey what do you think stops them from winning that first election?
🤫
Every dictator came to power through elections. Every dictator then manipulates or abolishes the next election so as not to lose power. No dictator has ever lost an election. There are “honest” exceptions but they were soft dictators. Fascism is just a special kind of dictatorship.
Just you wait another few more years and I’m gonna vote so hard it’ll make your head spin
Oh look, another .ml idiot.
What’s idiotic about Marxism?
The implementation
What fools
Correlation isn’t causation
Yes, the causation was the dramatic expansion of safety nets, improved agriculture, land reform, poverty reduction, and more. The proof of effectiveness is in the graph.
It has to be when it’s supporting my argument! Let’s disregard all the years of war, it must be the Marxism!
But when people die under communism beaucouse there was a world war and the land was totally destroyed, it’s certainly that ugly communism in it?
Yeah man i guess they just suddenly found the fountain of youth. Nothing is causation actually, cause and effect is a myth sold to us by Big Causality so we buy more notebooks
Did you make it beyond high school?
Snide vagueposting to cover for having been schooled with data. Sad!
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You’re on .ml, dipshit
Hi again, what did they say? Some lib bs?
as always :3
:3
Classic
You actually said this comment to a mirror
Therefore, you’re the idiot
Lemmy libs next year: “VOTE FOR BLUEMAGA EVERYONE”
Here’s the thing:
I didn’t believe for a second that a Kamala victory would have crushed fascism forever.
In fact, I’m positive the GOP would place Trump’s cold corpse as their nominee in all future elections if they had to.
The problem is simple:
Fascists are in power right now.
They wouldn’t be in nearly as much power if Kamala had won
Because the fascists are in power, its exceedingly unlikely we’ll ever have a fair election again with this government
That wouldn’t be nearly as likely to be the case if Kamala had won.
Furthermore, I’m tired of white leftists screaming for revolution while they themselves know damn good and well they’d never fight in one themselves, and they wouldn’t suffer even close to as much as racial, sexual and gender minorities will in resisting fascism.
The white leftists who refused to vote for Kamala suffer nowhere near as much as any minority loving under Trump, and they knew that and still relax with their arms behind their heads today.
Were the “Uncommitted” Palestinians also white leftists?
The white leftists who refused to vote for Kamala suffer nowhere near as much as any minority loving under Trump, and they knew that and still relax with their arms behind their heads today
The smug liberals who refused to have a backbone or humanity in the face of their party’s genocide suffer nowhere near as much as Palestinans suffered under Biden and Harris, and they knew that and still relax with their fingers in their ears today
So you’re not at all refuting that minorities are suffering g far more than white people under Trump?
And here’s the issue with using the genocide of the Palestinians as an excuse to abandon all other minorities:
Resistance against the genocide in Palestine exists almost entirely within the progressive wing of the Democratic party.
Democracy would still almost certainly continue to exist in some capacity if Kamala had won.
But now that Trump won, Israel is not only entirely free, with zero guard rails whatsoever, to complete their genocide and attack all of their neighbors, but now the US is further involved than ever, outright bombing Iran in the process.
And genocide is your concern, huh?
What about the 4k (minimum) missing minorities that were kidnapped by ICE?
The mass building of concentration camps on US soil?
The massacre of Venezuelan civilians as prelude to an outright war and enslavement of Venezuela?
The campaign of the GOP’s to destroy the 14th amendment and Voting Rights Act? You know, eliminating birthright citizenship and voter rights, the same shit the Nazis did to Jews leading to the start of the Holocaust.
Oh, and the total betrayal of Ukraine in Russia’s genocidal war on them?
Refusal to vote for Kamala produced more genocide. Kamala was objectively the less genocidal option than Trump.
y’all go to a ballot box and think “i’m gonna vote less genocide today” ???
As opposed to…?
You understand the US has a binary party system, right? You have 2 choices.
Since the GOP primaries for Trump, and Biden totally fucked over the Dem party by dropping too late for anyone other than Kamala to take the ticket, that was the choice.
This is not an argument for cowardice and “lesser evil” fascism, this is an argument for revolution.
A revolution that you mfers will never fight in.
Time and time again we see terminally online leftists scream for revolution, and absolutely no indication one will ever happen, let alone that they’ll participate.
This is you coping by reflexively projecting your cowardice and complacency onto others to justify your uselessness, with an (un)healthy dose of “it can’t happen here” american exceptionalism. Keep wallowing, your overlords love it.
Not a rebuttle to my point at all.
I’ll take it that you have absolutely no reasonable counter argument and are just shitposting images of minorities being attacked with no real goal in mind.
How typical
Do tell me what the roadmap for establishing progressive policies is like under Trump vs Kamala
Seems we’re objectively further away from a progressive government than ever. Am I wrong?
Damn thats true, seems like all your voting shit doesn’t fuckin work at all🤷♂️
Russia’s genocidal war
Words have meaning, and war is not genocide. You people support the Ukrainian coup government, who were doing actual ethnic cleansing before the Russian Federation finally stopped them. Anyone in the Donbas region would throw you in a hole for this equivocation, and you would deserve it. It makes me sick when liberals just mindlessly project the crimes of America’s vassals and allies on America’s enemies. Israel and Ukraine are allies. Israel trains both the Ukranian military and ICE. You are supporting, either tacitly or overtly, two different sets of nazis. You are a nazi supporter.
Refusal to vote for Kamala produced more genocide. Kamala was objectively the less genocidal option than Trump.
This is genocide-justifying horseshit to soothe your guilty conscience. Gaza was levelled under the Democrats. I’m not reading the rest of your fascist apologia because frankly, you people all spew the same delusional arguments. Anyone in Palestine would throw you into the sea for this inhumanity, and you would deserve it. Your cowardice and servility in the face of unimaginable cruelty has doomed you to live the rest of your life as a Good German. I would say good luck, but I don’t wish good luck for you. I wish you a sudden moment of terrible clarity.
Words have meaning, and war is not genocide.
Yes, war isn’t genocide.
You know what is genocide?
Mass intentional killings of Ukrainian civilians, rape of Ukrainian women, kidnappings of Ukrainian children, and destruction of Ukrainian infrastructure vital for life.
All things Russia is guilty of, and all things that adequately describe Russia’s actions as genocide.
You people support the Ukrainian coup government,
Ukrainians chose that government in the Orange revolution, of which evidence that it was a West orchestrated coup is shady at best.
Not that such an act justified Russia’s immediate response of invading and illegally annexing Crimea, and upstarting and sponsoring two major rebellions in Ukraine.
who were doing actual ethnic cleansing before the Russian Federation finally stopped them.
There is no adequate evidence whatsoever that any ethnic cleansing was taking place in Ukraine before Russia’s invasion, let alone one carried out by the Ukrainian government.
That’s some lams ass Kremlin propaganda you’re vomiting here. Long tried, long debunked, always pathetic.
Anyone in the Donbas region would throw you in a hole for this equivocation,
You sound like a fucking child.
Donbas is an authoritarian shithole experiencing a Russian sponsored rebellion entirely in the name of Russia’s desire to annex the region.
I don’t think you’re gonna be able to get a well trusted perception of events from most people in the area.
and you would deserve it.
Spoken like a real keyboard warrior.
It makes me sick when liberals just mindlessly project the crimes of America’s vassals and allies on America’s enemies.
Good thing that isn’t what’s happening here.
You’re just sperging and regurgitating Kremlin propaganda.
Israel and Ukraine are allies.
Literally meaningless to the argument.
Facts remain:
Russia is committing genocide in its war against Ukraine
Russia is the aggressor in the war against Ukraine
Kamala didn’t support giving up Ukraine to Russia. Trump does.
Therefore Trump is supporting yet another genocide that Kamala didn’t.
Basic math.
Israel trains both the Ukranian military and ICE.
Again, entirely irrelevant for the reasons listed above.
You do understand Ukraine has been in a perpetual state of desperation this entire conflict, right? They aren’t just sending their troops to Israel for training, they’re sending them to many countries, mostly in NATO.
Again though, this is irrelevant to the facts:
Russia is committing genocide in its war against Ukraine
Russia is the aggressor in the war against Ukraine
Kamala didn’t support giving up Ukraine to Russia. Trump does.
Therefore Trump is supporting yet another genocide that Kamala didn’t.
Basic math.
You are supporting, either tacitly or overtly, two different sets of nazis. You are a nazi supporter.
The modern state of Ukraine has never been demonstrated to support Nazism as a matter of policy.
They have an awkward situation where some of their historical figures collaborated with the Nazis, at least at one point or another, but they’re generally only celebrated for resistance against the Soviet Union, who like modern Russia comitted genocide against Ukraine.
If you bother to do any research on history, you might note that Ukrainians also widely resisted the Nazis too. Turns out their history is complex, not simple like the Kremlin propaganda you’ve been embarrassing yourself by spreading.
Facts remain:
Russia is committing genocide in its war against Ukraine
Russia is the aggressor in the war against Ukraine
Kamala didn’t support giving up Ukraine to Russia. Trump does.
Therefore Trump is supporting yet another genocide that Kamala didn’t.
Basic math.
And you wanna talk about Nazi supporting?
RUSSIA SUPPORTS NAZISM Some examples:
https://www.vice.com/en/article/vladimir-putin-russia-far-right/
https://icct.nl/publication/russia-and-far-right-insights-ten-european-countries
This is genocide-justifying horseshit to soothe your guilty conscience.
Who here is trying to justify genocide?
I’m stating facts:
Kamala was the less genocidal candidate.
There’s more genocide/support for genocide under Trump than there was under Biden and would have been under Kamala.
Therefore, refusal to vote for Kamala, when Trump was the only other outcome, was the pro-genodice move.
Gaza was levelled under the Democrats.
You’re fighting with ghosts.
My position was never to dispute the genocide in Gaza being enabled by the Dems.
My point is there is more genocide being supported and/or carried out under Trump that would have been under Kamala. That’s a fact.
I’m not reading the rest of your fascist apologia because
frankly, you people all spew the same delusional argumentsBecause everything I said here is not only not fascist apologia, but actual fact.
Meanwhile you’ve wasted so much time regurgitating the propaganda from an actually fascist state, Russia.
We never even got into how Russia and Israel alike both heavily supported Trump’s campaign, thus reaffirming that going against Kamala was the pro-genocide move
.Anyone in Palestine would throw you into the sea for this inhumanity,I’m seeing a lot of lame as keyboard warrior shit from you and its kinda embarrassing ngl
and you would deserve it. Your cowardice and servility in the face of unimaginable cruelty
You lost the right to that moral high ground and instead embrass that very sin with your
- Pro-genocide decision to oppose Kamala over Trump
- Your fascist apologia for Russia
has doomed you to live the rest of your life as a Good German.
Germans are generally progressive people who are also currently facing down the barrel to fascism again due to the AFD, which, by the way…
https://www.dw.com/en/the-afd-is-drawing-support-from-russia-germans/a-74223088
I would say good luck, but I don’t wish good luck for you. I wish you a sudden moment of terrible clarity.
Good god go back to Reddit with that cringe holy shit
I ain’t reading all that nazi shit, free Palestine
No its ok.
Prove to everyone you’re a moron incapable of reading more than a few lines.
Continue with your grift of pretending to care about Palestine.
Kamala was objectively the less genocidal option than Trump.
In my mind palace.
I mean this isn’t a “white lib” thing. Most people don’t want political violence or related.
Congratulations
It’s only white lib thing, if you’re a racist
except for all the white conservatives that stormed the Capitol on Jan 6th, 2021; commit acts of violence against Democrat politicians; make reports and call “wellness checks” on others; commit or support police brutality; defend ICE abductions and trafficking…
There’s over 200,000,000 white citizens. A few hundred doing dumb shit isn’t the entire group. Would you apply this way of thinking to other groups of people?
Nope and I’m not applying it to “white citizens”; just “conservatives”. I’m saying to the "white lib"s and others that the violence is already here.
Anti democracy post?
Oh, from a .ml poster, of course.
Democracy is when you are generously allowed to choose between genocide and genocide
You’re on .ml, you absolute loser
Hey sorry, what did they say?
Usual substanceless “heh, you are from this instance, need i say more?”
Ah
Oop, brain dead ml poster forgets the all feed exists.
So block .ml and stop whining already.
Chile actually voted out their dictator.
So did Brazil, and they actually threw theirs in prison.
No, Bolsonaro was not a dictator; if he had been, we wouldn’t have been able to remove him. He had far less power than he thought; that’s why voting worked.
I would argue the same is true of Trump. It certainly was in his first term. This term has all the aesthetics of authoritarianism, but he is failing to consolidate power, which is kind of pathetic considering how much power in the US was ready to surrender on day one.
then what happened
Same as most Eastern Block countries. Except Romania, they chose other ways.
Revolutions stand or fall with public support. Voting is the most visible way to establish public sentiment. People like to quote that only a third of the US actually elected Trump, but do we have a clear idea of just how many oppose him, if so many voters apparently never expressed their opinion in any measurable way?
Doing nothing and complaining on the internet is useless. Doing something is scary. If you knew you had your community at your back, wouldn’t you feel more confident to step up?
You’re right that people need to know that voting won’t be enough, but it’s still important in order to communicate the public opinion that separates a revolution from a coup.
Even along with public support, revolutions need their violent wing. MLK wouldn’t have been as nearly successful without the Black Panthers visibly totin’ guns on the 5 O’Clock news. It made MLK look very reasonable to deal with.
Gandhi, the modern Icon of peaceful protest winning the day, had armed rebellions popping up behind him. The Indian’s had nearly a 100 year history of violence against the British. And an exhausted Great Britain just wanting to get out of the colonial business didn’t hurt either.
When facing despots and fascists, there needs to be people willing to kill and die for the cause of freedom. We have not reached that point yet.
This is absolutely the correct answer. Successful revolutions are always multilateral in their approach.
Agreed on all points. It’s kinda like a robbery – you probably won’t arbitrarily hand a random stranger your wallet, but if they point a knife, things look different.
Though in this case, it’s the robber barons getting mugged by their victims.
so voting AND revolution are both good
The success of diplomacy and peaceful protest hinges on the existence of a credible threat that the alternative (war and riots, respectively) will be worse. Even if a (mostly) peaceful solution should be found, I suspect there will have to be some measure of violence to get that point across.
As others point out, the elites won’t go down quietly, and as long as there are bootlicks willing to fight on their behalf, they’ll rather let their bootlicks die than make concessions.
So while I don’t think violent revolutions are good for their own sake, they may be a necessary evil for good ends.
what about peaceful revolutions (as long as they DON’T even escalate)?
I know of no revolutions that didnt use force or the credible threat of force, because the ruling class would always rather escalate than voluntarily give up their power.
If, for whatever reason, the police collectively decides to no longer enforce the commands of those in power and no other group steps up to violently defend the status quo, a peaceful revolution in the form of civil disobedience would be conceivable.
Getting to that point without some measure of violence is what I believe to be unlikely – not impossible, mind you, and I very much hope for it, but it’s quite likely that an attempt to create such a consensus would (at least initially) be violently suppressed just as violent resistance would.
Even if it is achieved, the new society will need to guard itself against opportunistic egoists seeking to exploit the new power vacuum. Here too there may be at least an initial period of violence until that new dynamic is clear.
As long as there are people willing to hurt others for their own benefit, they will have to be fought.
But we should try to fight as little as possible.
That is indeed a good argument for voting, but voting third party
Depending on the stakes, yes. It is categorically better than not voting at all.
There is still the spoiler effect to consider, which may make voting third party a worse strategy in the complex, blind game that elections are. In elections where that isn’t as big of a risk, it’s a good way to indicate dissatisfaction with the status quo and the parties on offer. If there is a particularly convincing third party that many agree on, it also communicates what people do want.
In presidential elections, in a country where the president already had so much power even before this whole shitshow, when one candidate is a much greater threat to the basic feasability of resistance, it’s a dangerous gamble, risking much for a fairly slim chance at an all-or-nothing victory.
FPTP is one of the many things that are fucked up, but not every election has that kind of impact, and particularly if you’re in states where one party is so dominant that the spoiler effect is negligible anyways, it may be the more valuable choice.
bro just one more vote bro, bro I swear just one more vote and it’ll fix democracy bro
The total lack of show-up from the majority of the left to primaries and the general election is precisely why fascists are in power today.
You speak just like a privileged white psuedo-leftist who lives in relative peace while minorities have the largest crackdown on them since the start of the War on Drugs.
Some of the dumber white libs I’ve talked to honestly believe 51% of American voters voted for Trump 🤣
They don’t know what voting does or how it works but they’re sure it’s the only reasonable solution!
