• Kaity@leminal.spaceEnglish
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    4 months ago

    Me when I have to do anything other than copy and paste build, or package manager, commands /s

  • Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee
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    4 months ago

    Man these comments are fun. The patricians defending the (admittedly) bad UI/UX as the skill-hurdle it is, while the rest are finding inventive ways to rephrase “gib button plz”

    • DefederateLemmyMl@feddit.nlEnglish
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      4 months ago

      The UI is fine.

      It’s just that Github is a code sharing and collaboration platform for developers, not a software package distribution platform for end users.

      • The_Sasswagon@beehaw.org
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        4 months ago

        But it is often additionally used as a software package distribution platform, so it would be helpful for some developers to reach their users by having a clearer path to the most current release.

        I can personally do without a special button, and the op is obviously making a joke, but why not improve the UX for some users? It’s certainly possible to do this without impacting the smelly nerds who wouldn’t use the button.

      • Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee
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        4 months ago

        While it may have begun that way (and may still be the overwhelming use case, idk the breakdown) devs are using it for FOSS releases, and that’s where the ‘less literate’ crowd enters. Sourceforge was very simple to use, and had a consistent layout. GitHub wasn’t meat to be a SF replacement, but here we are having this discussion

  • paddirn@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    4 months ago

    That’s how it feels with alot of self-hosted AI stuff now. Even the youtube videos out there that start off with, “Hey guys, I’m gonna show you this super simple, easy way you can run your own self-hosted LLM. First pull up terminal…” and proceeds to spend a half-hour going over some kind of basic coding and cloning repos that’s still way above my head. Is it Git? Is it python? Is it both, what the fuck is going on? I just wanted an uncensored AI model that will generate My Little Pony furry porn, not a master-class in writing a bunch of seemingly random nonsensical commands.

    • andrai@feddit.de
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      4 months ago

      Just install stable diffusion via command line and download the models and Loras from civitai. It’s really that simple.

    • drcobaltjedi@programming.dev
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      4 months ago

      Step 1) Download the LLM with git

      Well, fuck we should have known that this requires a masters in computering. Dude these comands are easy, literally copy and paste. The instructions are literally handholding you to run it and thats still to complicated. Also who makes furry porn with a Large Language Model?

      • Specal@lemmy.world
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        4 months ago

        You made me chuckle. But let’s all agree that learning to use git is a ball ache and isn’t very intuitive. Throw repositories into the mix and lay people just aren’t gonna get it. I think using git should be taught in highschool IT classes though, most people will never use it, but it will massively help those who do need to learn it.

        • drcobaltjedi@programming.dev
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          4 months ago

          Frequently repos say “git clone [repo url]” which i think is enough for most people to copy and paste. I’m a programmer and usually I just click things in my IDE to do git work for me so I’ll agree its not an easy thing to use.

    • KeenFlame@feddit.nu
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      4 months ago

      I gotchu

      LM studio

      Thank me later. If you wanted the drawing shit then like that other guy said install Automatic1111

      • paddirn@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        4 months ago

        Yeah, I’ve been messing around with LM Studio for a few weeks/months now and compared to the alternatives, that’s about the easiest thing out there. Setup through Command Line seems to be the norm outside of that. I was just messing around with trying to install the ChromaDB plugin for LM Studio and ran into that issue of the command line again. Like I don’t know if they’re talking about just the generic Windows Command Line program, if Git needs to be installed, is it in a python environment or does python need installed, and the guides I’ve tried going through seem to just skip over these basic steps and just assume you already know exactly what they’re talking about, that seems like a regular thing, just not enough preliminary explanation.

        Like, I’ve had some experience with coding over the years in various languages, but I’m used to a certain amount of hand-holding for basic guides, something like, “You’ll need this installed from here, go ahead and load up this thing, blah blah blah.” In most of the tutorials I’ve been seeing for anything related to LLMs or AI image generators or whatever, there’s just rarely any acknowledgement of complete newbies to the process, it’s just assumed you know everything they’re talking about already. I realize it’s alot of copy/pasting and it’s pretty straight-forward, but it feels like many guides are just glossing over really basic need-to-know info.

        • KeenFlame@feddit.nu
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          4 months ago

          That’s cause it changes all the time, so it’s very hard to maintain these things. Literally every day a new paradigm shift comes out kinda

    • Ekky@sopuli.xyzEnglish
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      4 months ago

      like this?

      # Let Git take a rest with some yummy awk chocolate logs with delicious nuts and seeds, and don't be pushy!
git reset --hard $(git log --reverse | sed -n 1p | awk -F "[ ]" '{print $2}') && git push -f

      EDIT: Don’t actually run it.

      • subtext@lemmy.world
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        4 months ago

        Can you explain what this does? I’m thinking something along the lines of reverting all commits except the very first one?

        • Ekky@sopuli.xyz
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          4 months ago

          You are correct! It sets HEAD to the first commit and then force pushes, deleting everything after HEAD.

          Though, it only affects the currently selected branch.

  • RustyNova@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    From someone in computer networking classes: “I don’t use GitHub. This is too complicated” Like bruh. The instructions are right there in the readme.

    There’s also the time where we were asked to read temperature from a sensor, and everyone went straight to chatgpt. Meanwhile, first search result, full repo with full noob instructions.

      • Kostyeah@lemmy.ca
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        4 months ago

        As a CS student, yes absolutely. These people then complain about paper exams and when the code gets complex enough for the AI to make mistakes. I’ve seen a few people drop out in programming 2, and my web 1 class was decimated because we were doing more than leetcode exercises. It’s a real problem that so many people are using it as a crutch.

        • thisisnotgoingwell@programming.dev
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          4 months ago

          I’m not a developer but I write a lot of code for network infrastructure automation… when I started learning I was already a network engineer so I figured it would be a cakewalk. I think it takes a certain type of person (patience, persistence, tenacity, etc) to excel in a computer science field. I’d reckon a lot of young people think the jobs are all pretty sweet and cushy

        • Whelks_chance@lemmy.world
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          4 months ago

          I’m neither surprised nor unsurprised. I’m middle aged and don’t have much insight into what university students are doing day to day.

    • fidodo@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      4 months ago

      Computer networking was the most complicated class I took. How can GitHub be too complicated compared to the class? Or is it a non low level computer networking class?

      • RustyNova@lemmy.world
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        4 months ago

        This is literally the third year of the diploma. This is not even source control. This is literally installing the software provided with the instructions provided

        But as I seen both, networking is easier than programming IMO. Networking is mostly knowing a lot of things to be able to reuse that knowledge Programming is actually creating things and solutions to problems, and is more complicated, at least for me. But I still prefer it as I actually feel mentally challenged (pun intended)

        • CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world
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          4 months ago

          My personal issue with github is more the placement of the actual download links, sometimes its harder to find than the real download button on a dodgy pirate site without ad-block.

  • pachrist@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    The problem with github isn’t really a problem. It’s just accessible enough to borderline tech people who want a one click solution to a problem. They can find it, but using it requires more skill than they have. It’s a code repository, not an app store. The most useful things I find on github aren’t from some massive app developer, they’re from some guy who happened to have the same problem as me. Rather than screaming at that guy for an executable, level up. Learn something.

    • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org
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      4 months ago

      Or head over to the releases page (just saying, it can be an app store too).

      Basically, if there’s no exe ready and you don’t want to learn to make it, that means it doesn’t exist for you. The github page might as well just say “Coming eventually!”.

      • Microw@lemm.ee
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        4 months ago

        Tbf the released page can be hard to notice/find, a lot of projects who use it simply have links on the main page to it because a portion of users will fail to navigate there

    • xenoclast@lemmy.world
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      4 months ago

      GitHub adding releases was the real UX mistake.

      Anything outside of code repository stuff is outside their lane.

      Start a new startup or something to solve that problem. Too late now that it’s under Microsoft.

        • xenoclast@lemmy.world
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          4 months ago

          Maybe I’m misunderstanding… but are you saying GitHub, the corporate entity acquired by Microsoft for 7.8 billion dollars 6 years ago, is a champion of the free and open software movement and that needs some rando on the Internet to stand up for it?

          People have lived through many cycles of Microsoft doing this shit. They don’t deserve defending.

          • Mesa@programming.dev
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            4 months ago

            Maybe I misunderstood your comment. I’m talking from the layman’s perspective looking for a stable build of whatever the software is.

            "

            Anything outside of code repository stuff is outside their lane

            " sounds like you’re talking about non-technical users when that was the context of the original comment. I understand what you mean now though, and I somewhat agree.

    • Dkarma@lemmy.world
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      4 months ago

      I mean I code extensively and it still pisses me off they kind of don’t make the “download zip” more prominent or explain to noobs that this isn’t compiled/ plug n play…nor are most of the apps for Windows users, really.

      • kattenluik@feddit.nl
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        4 months ago

        This isn’t the job of a Git repository nor is it for GitHub, this is an issue for developers which shouldn’t use it as their main download way.

        The download zip is not meant for the average person and frankly useless for most projects. I don’t know why you expect a Git repository to explain to you that bare code isn’t compiled or plug and play? How would GitHub know other than you informing them that the app isn’t for Windows?

        I don’t think you understand the concept of what Git and GitHub even are and their intentions.

        • winky9827b@lemmy.world
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          4 months ago

          There’s no qualification to be a developer to access github though, I think is what the person you responded to is saying. It’s entirely possible for a user to end up at github without a true understanding of its purpose. Therefore, it would be helpful if it was more clear to the average non-developer user that what they’re looking at is a code repository and is not meant for general consumption.

          • cone_zombie@lemmy.world
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            4 months ago

            And that’s the problem with modern internet and consumerism. I get your point, but the “I’m here, so I should be made comfortable and tended to” mentality really has no place in some situations. If you end up on a car parts website and have no idea what’s going on, you don’t just comment “Hey, this is really complicated, and no one warned me. Please consider making it more noob-friendly” because people usually know better, and understand that some things are outside their grasp, and that’s ok. This can be applied to academia sources as well. You would rarely see “What the hell is this all about?” below a rocket science article. So, my point is, GitHub is for people who at least know how to open the command prompt on windows. Maybe they should use this as a warning next to any GitHub link, idk.

              • kattenluik@feddit.nl
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                4 months ago

                I see you you’ve decided to take the road of not reading anything that has been said. There’s no bad usability OR lack of features for literally anyone relevant to these platforms.

            • thisisnotgoingwell@programming.dev
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              4 months ago

              I agree with most of what you said but it wouldn’t hurt to create a watered down version of the site and put it on a subdomain like noobs.github.com … There can be separate UIs for different kinds of users.

              They could ask when you register an account what you intend to use GitHub for and what your familiarity is.

    • Deceptichum@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      4 months ago

      Why are you assuming they’re a zoomer?

      I fucking hate douches that rag on younger generations for stupid petty shit like Boomers did.

      • Big P@feddit.ukEnglish
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        4 months ago

        Expecting people who grew up after the Internet was mainstream to all be developers is like expecting everyone who grew up in the 60s and 70s to be a mechanic

        • PlasterAnalyst@kbin.social
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          4 months ago

          You can usually find step by step instructions for fixing most cars. My library has a subscription to Chilton online, so I can use it from home and look at repair procedures and wiring diagrams. Just use forums and YouTube to fill in the gaps. I’ve even diagnosed a car from Amazon reviews since I suspected a certain part was bad and looked at reviews that said the exact symptoms.

          • Big P@feddit.ukEnglish
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            4 months ago

            Sure, a lot of people can do that. A lot of people absolutely can’t, too. A lot of people can look up and solve computer issues too, and a lot of people can’t. It’s not a generational thing or specific to computers.

      • Ech@lemm.eeEnglish
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        4 months ago

        All this really means is they grew up navigating digital spaces socially. I’ve discovered first hand that the generation at large has little-to-no knowledge of the technical workings of even the computers they use regularly, imo due to the “apple-fication” (one button? Really?) of digital devices. Most exclusively use their cell phone as their digital device, or a chromebook provided by their school, all of which have been streamlined to the extreme to “enhance” the user experience, but have in actuality given them absolutely zero-experience learning how to troubleshoot or incentive to dig into how their devices operate. I’ve had to walk teens through how to navigate the file directories on their laptops.

        In the past, the only people to be “techies” (ie people seeking out spaces like the Internet) were ones willing and able to deal with hurdles and issues, and the window is apparently quiet narrow for people who grew up with tech (to an extent) and also had to learn how to handle issues like that. The majority of others are either those described above, or those that never saw tech as important or worth it (though we’re also seeing the consequences of those people finding their way onto the “one-button” internet in meme/conspiracy addicted boomers).

        • Ethalis@jlai.lu
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          4 months ago

          Agreed, Big Tech’s quest for UX and frictionless Interfaces has lead to a generation of people who vastly overestimate their tech savviness and are basically only great at navigating walled gardens made specifically to be easy to use.

          It’s not really their fault though: in addition to frontends becoming ever easier to use, backends are also becoming increasingly complex. 20 years ago you could learn a bit of HTML and CSS and throw a decent website together, but nowadays you need to master tons of other skills (graphical design, scripting, etc.) to make even so much as a web page that won’t scare people away immediately. It’s hard to get interested in this stuff when the barrier of entry is getting higher and higher, while tons of GAFAM-made alternative are already available for “free”

          • Adanisi@lemmy.zipEnglish
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            4 months ago

            Seriously. It’s infuriating. Everything is so damn dumbed down now it’s ridiculous! People are incapable of doing so much as reading error messages and doing basic troubleshooting, sometimes I wonder where society went wrong. They’re completely helpless with the technology that makes up more and more of our lives, and I hate to see it.

          • deur@feddit.nl
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            4 months ago

            20 years ago you could learn a bit of HTML and CSS and throw a decent website together, but nowadays you need to master tons of other skills (graphical design, scripting, etc.) to make even so much as a web page that won’t scare people away immediately

            Looking at it this way is what stops people from trying though :(