NEW YORK (Kyodo) – Toyota Motor Corp. said Thursday it will adopt Tesla Inc.'s charging standards for its electric vehicles to be sold in North Ameri
Makes sense. Why not use infrastructure that’s already available?
Because using proprietary standards puts you at the mercy of the technology owner
It was made an open standard about a year ago
Didn’t know that, that’s fine then
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex%3A32014L0094
There is a placed by law standard in the European Union, don’t know if the US has the same.
Nah can’t have standards in the USA, let the market solve that and Canada just follows whatever the USA does for these things.
In this case there is, it’s called the North American Charging Standard! Granted, Tesla did name it that way just last year, before it became a standard, but hey, at least it worked out in the end. Probably.
It’s not a standard unless it’s made mandatory by the state, it’s just an agreement between manufacturers and sadly it seems like States always wait too long to establish standards and we end up with incompatible tech that lose support in the long term because of it.
that is absolutely not true. most standards AREN’T mandated by law. ANSI is voluntary for example. USB is a standard that isn’t written into law, you get the picture
My point is that at any time a manufacturer can just go “Fuck them, I’m creating my own interface” for this reason, the standard isn’t mandated by law! Case in point: Apple
I guess I don’t understand the problem. Companies use the superior standard. Innovation is good. Look at NACS charging plug, everyone has given up on CCS in the US and signed up to switch. Despite the government mandating CCS in charge stations
We had a standard before that, it was called CCS. Musk changing the name of his charger doesn’t make it a defacto standard, no matter what the Muskites tell you.
The EU’s power grid works differently than the US grid. EU plugs need more pins than US plugs. It’s something to do with the electrical grid and I don’t fully understand it, but a single global EV plug isn’t possible.
because, from what I understnad, only the newest tesla chargers will support non-teslas charging, which is gonna leave a shitton of older chargers as tesla exclusive.
and overnight renders all the investment and infrastructure thats been built for J1772/CCS Type1/2 completely pointless and wasted effort almost overnight.
Does Toyota have any electic models? I thought they were still stuck between hybrids and hydrogen.
They made one, and they called it the BZ4X. That’s the sort of name that you give a car you don’t want people to buy. And in the event anyone did buy buy it, they made sure the wheels fell off.
By contrast they literally call their hydrogen car the future, so it’s clear where their priorities lie.
By contrast they literally call their hydrogen car the future, so it’s clear where their priorities lie.
I’m sure they’re working on EVs behind the scenes for mainstream release once other companies iron out the quirks, while the Murai is a long-term development platform. Let’s not forget Toyota dove headfirst into hybrids 23 years ago while other companies were developing shit like the Hummer H2 and the Excursion. People act like Toyota hates EVs but they’re just very conservative in their designs because their brand has a reputation for being reliable and economical. Compare that with early Teslas costing $100k and having terrible QC issues. Nobody wants that from a Toyota.
They also have the Prius Prime and Rav4 Prime models which have larger battery packs and charge ports compared to their standard hybrid variants. These models don’t support DC fast charging and still operate like standard hybrids so having the larger charge network isn’t as important.
I’m not sure if the existing Tesla level 2 “chargers” would work in this case but assuming they do it would offer more options.
Yes, they’ve created an BEV specific platform, which currently is used by the Toyota bZ4X/Subaru Solterra and Lexus RZ, with the Toyota bZ3 due in 2024.
They released a compliance car (BZ4x) built with Subaru. From what I’ve read it sucks and essentially just performs the same function as the PT Cruiser and Chevy HHR did back in the day. I’m sure this’ll be retained for the future when they have a proper lineup of EVs though.
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That’s disappointing. I can’t wait to see how Musk attempts to screw with everyone once all major companies are using his “open” standard.
SAE is ratifying NACS as an automotive standard. Once that process is complete Musk won’t have control over it.
https://www.sae.org/news/press-room/2023/06/sae-international-announces-standard-for-nacs-connector
I believe Tesla has already released ownership of the NACS patent as well.
I’d bet anything he still tries something. Don’t forget what an enormous moron he is.
I believe Tesla retained patents on their automatic payment system. So other cars can use the NACS, but they have to use a shitty app (which is currently a MAJOR problem with BEV chargers) because none of them have figured out how to install a credit card terminal on the dang things.
