• Python@programming.dev
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    6 months ago

    Related book recommendation!!

    Kil’n People by David Brin - it’s a futuristic Murder Mystery Novel about a society where people copy their consciousnesses to temporary clay clones to do mundane tasks for them. Got some really interesting discussions about what constitutes personhood!

  • Heavybell@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    6 months ago

    The best part is, unless that function name is misleading, it doesn’t matter how the data is passed; a copy is being sent out over TCP/IP to another device regardless.

  • Schmoo@slrpnk.net
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    6 months ago

    If anyone’s interested in a hard sci-fi show about uploading consciousness they should watch the animated series Pantheon. Not only does the technology feel realistic, but the way it’s created and used by big tech companies is uncomfortably real.

    The show got kinda screwed over on advertising and fell to obscurity because of streaming service fuck ups and region locking, and I can’t help but wonder if it’s at least partially because of its harsh criticisms of the tech industry.

    • localme@lemm.ee
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      6 months ago

      Yes, I just finished watching Pantheon and absolutely loved it!

      Totally agree that it deserved more attention. At least it got a proper ending with season 2.

      Also, the voice acting talent they got was impressive. Paul Dano was fantastic as one of the leads.

    • Kairos@lemmy.today
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      6 months ago

      The show got kinda screwed over on advertising and fell to obscurity because of streaming service fuck ups and region locking, and I can’t help but wonder if it’s at least partially because of its harsh criticisms of the tech industry.

      Okay so I can’t 100% confirm this, but the first season wasn’t popular because it was on whatever the fuck AMC+ is. Amazon bought it because of the writer’s strike to get something out.

    • Gnome Kat@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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      6 months ago

      Just FYI content warning for Pantheon there is a seriously disturbing gore/kill scene that is animated too well in the first season. Anyone who has seen the show knows what scene I am talking about, I found the scene pretty upsetting and I almost didn’t finish the show. I am still a little upset that the scene is burned in my memory.

  • neo@feddit.de
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    6 months ago

    Are you sure the roon of today is a reference to yesterday’s roon?

  • Stage Owl@pawb.social
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    6 months ago

    Soma is a wonderful game that covers this type of thing. It does make you wonder what consciousness really is… Maybe the ability to perceive and store information, along with retrieving that information, is enough to provide an illusion of consistent self?

    Or maybe it’s some competely strange system, unkown to science. Who knows?

    • Gnome Kat@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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      6 months ago

      I think the definition of consciousness needs to not be solely about abilities or attributes. It needs to account for the active process of consciousness. Like a hair dryer can burn things… but a fire is things burning. Without the active nature its simply not conscious.

  • intensely_human@lemm.ee
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    6 months ago

    I know myself deeply enough to be totally fine with a copy. I’d be my own copy’s pet if it came to that. I trust me.

    • laughterlaughter@lemmy.world
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      6 months ago

      The joke is that there are some people who think that by uploading themselves into a machine “to live forever,” their consciousness will also be transferred, like when you travel by bus from one city to another. In reality, you “upload yourself,” but that yourself is not you, but a copy of you. So, once the copy is done, you will still be in your original body, and the copy will “think” it is you, but it’s not you. It’s a copy of you! So, you continue to live in your body until you die, and, well, for you - that’s it. You’re dead. You’re not living. You’re finished. Everything is black. Void. Null. Done - unless you believe in the afterlife, so you’ll be in heaven, hell, purgatory or whatever, but the point is, you’re not longer on Earth “living forever.” That’s just some other entity who thinks it is you, but it’s not you (again, because you’re dead.)

      This is represented by the parameters being passed by value (a copy) instead of by reference (same data) in the poster’s image.

    • The_Terrible_Humbaba@beehaw.org
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      6 months ago

      It wouldn’t be you, it would just be another person with the same memories that you had up until the point the copy was made.

      When you transfer a file, for example, all you are really doing is sending a message telling the other machine what bits the file is made up of, and then that other machines creates a file that is just like the original - a copy, while the original still remains in the first machine. Nothing is even actually transferred.

      If we apply this logic to consciousness, then to “transfer” your brain to a machine you will have to make a copy, which exist simultaneously with the original you. At that point in time, there will be two different instances of “you”; and in fact, from that point forward, the two instances will begin to create different memories and experience different things, thereby becoming two different identities.

        • Dave@lemmy.nz
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          6 months ago

          That’s a weird response to the person who is explaining the post to you.

    • I_am_10_squirrels@beehaw.org
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      6 months ago

      The first line passes the argument by reference, ie, the object itself.

      The second line passes the object by value, ie, a copy.

    • Tangent5280@lemmy.world
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      6 months ago

      Sends original data vs making a copy of data and sending it.

      In meme context you’d be just making a copy of your consciousness and putting it in a machine. Whatever reason you’re doing it for - escape illness, survive armageddon, nothing changes for you. A copy of you lives on though.

    • Valmond@lemmy.world
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      6 months ago

      You can pass nullptr in the second example (that is not what OP wrote though, hes second is making a copy).

    • cbazero@programming.dev
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      6 months ago

      I guess you ask for C++. There Type* can be null while Type& can’t be null. When it gets compiled Type& is compiled (mostly) to the same machinecode as Type*.

  • THCDenton@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    This prospect doesnt bother me in the least. I’ve already been replaced 5 times in my life so far. The soul is a spook. Let my clone smother me in my sleep and deal with the IRS instead.

    • mynameisigglepiggle@lemmy.world
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      6 months ago

      Makes me wonder how many times I’ve been replaced. Also makes me wonder if I just died yesterday and today I’m actually a new person. I have no evidence that yesterday happened except for a memory of it, and let’s face it, since it was a public holiday, that’s a pretty foggy memory

      • mojofrododojo@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        6 months ago

        yeah, went down this rabbit hole recently: what if I’m the .001% that lives until <max age variable for my genome>? or what if ‘me’ is an amalgam of all the ones that die, and I get to live all those lives until the variable runs out.

      • roscoe@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        6 months ago

        I wonder about that. During the deepest part of sleep does your brain have enough activity to maintain a continuous stream of consciousness? If you go through two sleep cycles in a night does yesterday you die, and you from the first sleep cycle who only dreamed die, and you’re a new consciousness in the morning?

        • Meliora@lemmy.world
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          6 months ago

          Going under deep anesthesia brought up these questions for me: if my consciousness was interrupted, am I the same person? Ultimately I don’t believe I’ll ever know, and must seek to become comfortable with that discomfort.

        • lath@lemmy.world
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          6 months ago

          Dreaming is just the brain butchering who you were and placing whatever’s left in storage as decaying trophies.

    • intensely_human@lemm.ee
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      6 months ago

      Damn dude. Was each time a death? I think a someone’s following me around and snuffing me out. Mandela Effects keep happening. Also I’m getting elf ears? Reality is weird.

      • mojofrododojo@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        6 months ago

        Also I’m getting elf ears?

        plastic surgery - that shit’s expensive. use that money for something better lol!

    • Queen HawlSera@lemm.eeEnglish
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      6 months ago

      “The soul is a spook”

      I’m sorry I understand those words not in those orders though, are you saying the soul is an olde timey anti-black racial slur or that it’s inherently scary?

      • mojofrododojo@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        6 months ago

        spook

        could also indicate ghost or intelligence operative. I don’t assume they were going racist with it.

      • trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world
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        6 months ago

        A spook is a pretty niche concept from philosophy, I believe coined by Max Stirner

        It basically means a social construct that is being taken as if it is a real factual thing instead of something made up?

        I am bad at explaining stuff but I hope you get the gist of it.

    • marcos@lemmy.world
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      6 months ago

      The semantics in Rust would be completely out of wack. What does ownership mean?

      I guess the point of the joke is that consciousness is a shallow value.

    • RustyNova@lemmy.world
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      6 months ago
      #[derive(Clone, Copy)]
struct Consciousness {...}

fn upload_brain(brain: Consciousness) -> Result<(), Error>
      • flying_sheep@lemmy.ml
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        6 months ago

        It’s pinned and !Unpin, and only has private constructors.

        Uploading is a matter of implementing Clone