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I’m really hoping that Valve releases a new headset by the time my Quest inevitably becomes unusable.
I would expect Valve’s next headset to be expensive, complex and requiring extensive configuration by the user, just like their previous efforts. Pretty much the polar opposite of the Quest.
Obviously you’ve never had a headset from Valve. It is literally plug in 3 things, setup space so you don’t hit your monitor (optional) and play it.
You lost me at plug.
You can’t be helped.
If you struggle with plugging a cable into a computer then VR probably isn’t for you.
same thing happened to my Samsung mixed reality headset. I’ve just said fuck vr entirely if companies are going to do this. reminds me of how Apple used to be where people would patch new fully working iOS version features onto old phones to bypass artificial obsolescence.
I thought these are still working?
if you don’t update past 21H2, they will work on steamVR for around 3 more years yeh. but the end is still just delayed e-waste.
So, they’re basically forcing it into the junk pile, even if developers want to support it. What a terrible company.
Well it is meta. I am surprised they didn’t make them all just catch fire and burn down the owners houses.
Upon being handed a busted Quest 2 that indeed caught fire, I’ve found a lot of folks online that have had that very issue lol.
Unrelated, I fixed it and noe need VR game suggestions as this realm is the shit.
There’s no money in that for them. Now if they owned a real estate company…
Oh no, Meta is shutting down official support for an old system?
But that doesn’t give security updates.
That’s what happens with old devices and dealing with it is part of the cost of using them
Bro the quest is only 5 years old. And stop excusing shitty practices just because they are the normal.
Lol, the famously great reading comprehension of the Internet.
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I didn’t excuse shit
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5 years of updates is a pretty normal timeline for mobile devices
- I’m not excusing shit
- Here is an excuse.
Pointing out that you’re whining about something thats irrelevant isn’t excsing shit, but reading comprehension is hard for you I guess.
The initial point was that the dick move was blocking developers who wanted to and were able from sending content hosted on metas server to Quest 1 headsets. I responded with a sarcastic comment giving people a way to get around that dickheaded move by sideloading
It is not related in any way to not giving security updates anymore. That’s normal EOL shit for devices and software. If you don’t like that or don’t like how long meta offered support that’s a you issue and I did not comment on it other than pointing out that 5 years is normal update life on devices like that after you already changed the subject
something thats irrelevant
its perfectly relevant to the conversation.
Get out of this reddit mentality you have where every interaction you have with another person on the internet is an argument you’re trying to “win”.
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Does this make it possible to use the headset without ever having a Meta account? That’s the only way I’d be willing to interact with a Quest device.
Lol, of course not, you have to make an account to enable developer options to enable side loading
The stealing of our data is how they make the headset so cheap
Hopefully, someone is sitting on a root workaround, and will reveal it once the updates stop.
I’d buy a second hand one, if there was a way to use it without any meta involvement.
I’m expecting it, tbh
I have a quest 2 and it’s actually a FANTASTIC headset, but I want to rip the meta shit out
Not even because they’re a gross company (tho they are), I use a burner account with burner info and play in a gray room through a router specifically for my VR (almost completely lag free wireless this way, it works) but because I HATE that they made you have arms in an update and didn’t let us turn it off. They’re horrid
they made you have arms in an update and didn’t let us turn it off
What? I’m guessing they made it so your arms show up in-game somehow???
Not in games, but in the main hub menu of the device
It tries to guess where your arms are based on controller position
It’s c r a p
I have a quest 2 and it’s actually a FANTASTIC headset
Yes, because of John Fifth-Dimensional-Being-Pretending-to-be-a-Human Carmack.
“oh, do you need me to just invent the fundamental technology for a massive sector of computing again? Sure, no problem, have it to ya by Friday”
- John Carmack on multiple occasions
So they made you join the army?
I wish they gave me a firearm
But no, it’s a garbage implementation of giving you a digital avatar that displays arms in a first person view by guessing where they must be based off of controller position.
It clearly doesn’t use the cams on the device cuz they’re bad
I hate this so much. Why should they be able to do this?
One thing is stopping customer support and internal software/OS development. But why should they BLOCK compatibility for third party developers?
Better to have invested in a Valve Index I feel than get an Oculus. Might be more expensive, but I trust Valve to not completely fuck over their consumers.
Minor exception is Australia.
Valve hates Australia (valve lost in court over refunds here).
So we don’t get access to their hardware directly. It’s lame.
I don’t get why you’re being downvoted, sounds like a localization/price/law thing, like Brazil and the price of consoles and games over there.
It’s lemmy.
I’m used to it. If you post something that’s not with the hive mind, you get down voted, regardless of you are correct.
Tech company, they love E-Waste. Your thing can still play fine? Fuck you, buy our new shit that have all those advanced privacy invasive tracker loaded into it, and let us snoop around so we can share your info with other tech company.
But they make their new products with 10% of recycled plastics and a cardboard box! SO ECO-FRIENDLY!
I still can’t fathom people are somehow okay with buying a device that is, by design and function, festooned with cameras and microphones from goddamn Facebook and waving it around inside their homes. Like, what?
I bought Oculus Quest 1. OCULUS! Facebook promised to leave them alone, for them to remain oculus, But after a year or so, merging started, firstly with oculus accounts vanishing into fb, then renaming to Meta Quest and now the only thing that remain is logo.
What exactly is a promise from Facebook worth? You saw what happened to Palmer Luckey (although he is wiping those tears with crisp hundred dollar bills).
Nothing, since they’ve already lied about the ongoing account integration requirements for their various VR products, like, three (?) major times so far. I don’t trust a damn thing they say about anything.
If Meta told me the sky was blue I’d be searching for independent verification.
I guess because fuck you, they got their money 🤷 It really should be illegal.
By killing the product completely they’re forcing their users to upgrade. It’s always profits man, that’s always the reason
It’s called “planned obsolescence”.
Why should they be able to do this?
Because we own nothing now.
“Thanks for your support in growing this community without any compensation from us that we will throw in the trash the moment it becomes less than profitable. You can continue your unrewarded work for our new and ‘improved’ product that will face the same fate in just a few short years!”
It should still work fine with SteamVR right? I’m not too pressed.
Will it? I would love to try out VR gaming but I really don’t want to be locked into meta’s ecosystem.
It currently does, I still use mine both standalone, and linked with my desktop on the oculus platform and SteamVR, since i disliked how cheaply made the oculus 2 was.
Right now I’m waiting for a competitor to the quest to even appear on the market, since there doesn’t seem to be any other standalone option right now.
There’s the Pico 4 - but the company behind it is ByteDance. You might know ByteDance from their other product: TikTok…
So in the end it would be out of the frying pan and into the fire, I think.
Yeah I’m not eager to go from sending my floorplan to zuck to sending it to the CCP, lol.
Thank you for that info! I have a really hard time spending a lot of money on myself so I’ve been putting off buying a vr set for years and years now, but if I was to get one it would be valve or pico because screws Facebook. Now I guess it’s just valve though…
There’s also SideQuestVR
A similar thing will happen with WMR headsets in November of 2026, by the way (they’ll work beyond that, but you can’t download the software anymore after that date):
https://www.uploadvr.com/windows-mixed-reality-headset-support-end-date/
Since these depend on Windows itself, I don’t think there will be an easy (or even possible) workaround.
Sad news, because these are cheap, high-res, fast to set up, easy to use and generally very decent headsets. Controllers are not top of the class, but good enough for almost anything. Ideal for people interested in tipping their toes into proper PCVR.
There are already third party/open source drivers being developed for WMR hardware, though. Like Monado.
It’s unlikely WMR headsets will be completely unusable after M$ drops support, but A) they will still work with existing systems, B) third party software will hopefully be okayish by then and C) it will almost certainly be possible to “pirate” the Microsoft WMR application(s) the same way it is already possible to manually re-add modules back into Windows that have been officially discontinued.
Thanks for informing me about Monado, but it seems like it’s exclusive to Linux. That’s hardly ideal. Then again, it’s more than two years until November of 2026, so a lot might happen until then.
For Monado on Windows iirc the current state is that it works but not with real hardware (which is usually well supported officially anyway) due to lack of drivers. Now if it becomes the only platform to keep supporting WMR the developer incentive is definitely there.
“BuT MeTa aNd TheIr MoNeY ArE GOOD FoR VR!!!”
I warned everyone. I warned everyone back in, like, 2016.
Not trying to negate what you said, but I honestly don’t remember people saying that. I remember people complaining about Oculus being bought.
I remember the dev of Frog Fractions was doing a kickstarter back then. After the announcement of Facebook buying Occulus, they put up a new bonus goal of 2 billion: “Buy occulus back”
The second I heard Facebook bought Oculus, I knew it’d be ewaste. Fuck zuck and any piece of shit greedy pig like him.
I was so excited about Oculus up until the acquisition.
They’re still doing interesting things I just can’t approach anything Meta does with enthusiasm.
You definitely shouldn’t be excited for anything Facebook.
Same. Was planning to buy one and luckily I did not. When Facebook bought the company I lost all interest.
My BIL’s friend was an engineer at Oculus and he was so sad when they got bought out. He works at Meta now (golden handcuffs) and says it’s ok but not all that fun anymore.
Is there a homebrew scene with these Quest devices?
Yeah, via SideQuest (which is a sideloader program), and most game engine support quest development. However it wouldn’t surprise me of Meta were able to present that.
They really are horrible to devs, they offer no real support, especially for Unreal devs, and their dev forums are practically dead.
They don’t understand how to encourage devs. I was thinking of getting a Meta Quest 3, but seeing this post has me reconsidering.
Not quite homebrew, but SideQuest is the least hassle free solution for many alternatives and games.
It’s just Android iirc.
Dunno how much enthusiasm there is for a homebrew scene because the 1st gen was weak as shit, and the main selling point is you can use them as a PC headset, which is going to get you a better experience than any game run natively on it.
God I hope so. This is ludicrous. People are still developing NES games ffs! A friend of mine did.
I can’t speak for the quest directly but I’ve used programs like sidequest to load homebrew games onto my quest 2. It’s also really easy to do so I don’t think they’re quote going to be e waste yet
lol it’s not even 5 years old?!? I appreciate Zuc giving me another reason to not buy their hardware
It’ll be five years old this may. It’s four, going in five.
Meanwhile my OG oculus rift is still working fine
I mean, this will carry on working as a PC headset too. Doesn’t say they’re taking that away.
Same. CV1. Fuck Facebook
What a lame early April fools joke.
Does quest 1 have access to virtual desktop? If so, can you just keep playing off of your computer hardware? Or are those 10kB patches virtual desktop has to download RIGHT NOW five minutes after you start using it really important to the operation of the streamer app?
I have a Quest 2 that i haven’t touched in almost 2 years. I should sell it.
Since the Steam Link app came out on it, it’s been waaay easier to play PCVR titles. I’ve had more fun with it playing modded games that weren’t meant for VR than actual new VR games. Valheim was nuts. Skyrim VR modded to hell is super nuts. It’s a great way to re-experience some of those old games.
