- cross-posted to:
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- fediverse@lemmy.ml
This has happened once before and they reversed it. But they said this last time too:
The discussions that have happened in various threads on Lemmy make it very clear that removing the communites before we announced our intent to remove them is not the level of transparency the community expects, and that as stewards of this community we need to be extremely transparent before we do this again in the future as well as make sure that we get feedback around what the planned changes are, because lemmy.world is yours as much as it is ours.
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Lemmy.world is a fucking shithole. It’s teenage life crisis tumblr in here.
Luckily, you can always move elsewhere :)
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Gross. Useful idiots are the worst.
I’ll be looking for a new instance, pronto!
Come on over to Lemmy.dbzer0.com I moved over the last time from .world to dbzer0.com.
A lot of people are saying “just connect to another instance”, but it would be nice if the client could connect to multiple instances at once, and merge things internally, maybe even spreading the load a bit.
Probably a bit tricky for the web and linking, but maybe something for the mobile apps to consider?
Ideally the only time I’d need to swap accounts is to post.
How would you deal with votes? That’s a pretty common action, and having to choose every time would be tedious
You could list your accounts in priority, and the highest account that has access to the post you’re reading will be responsible for the vote.
Just choose default in the app
Considering how well voting has turned out in general, maybe the voting system is the issue.
You know, I don’t even disagree with you. Voting really doesn’t bring any good to the table, it only creates some sort of hive mind mentality
Plus it allows users to anonymously express disdain towards somebody, not just to their comment or opinion but them personally I’ve seen this happen on Reddit where people were mass downvoted for seemingly no reason other than being openly trans/queer.
It only gets worse when you use that as a reputation system for restricting users because then it’s a social credit system.
Agree. I moved to an instance without downvotes for this reason.
and warframe!
This isn’t reddit. There’s a clear solution here: decentralization. Aka, like the entire point why we’re on Lemmy in the first place. Join another instance lol.
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“No! I refuse to open more than one site! If it’s not on this one site that I have decided amounts to the entire threadiverse then it doesn’t exist, how dare people make me think? The absurdity of it all!”
.world users doing their thing. It’s fine for a starter but not someplace to stay
Absolutely! Does anyone have any suggestions for general instances that don’t censor as much as lemmy.world?
This is a great site to find instances:
The pirates will simply move to another Lemmy Instance and re-create the group there. This is the advantage of having a decentralized platform: so one person or small group of people can’t ruin things for the rest of us.
These communities not on .world.
They are: !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com !piracy@lemmy.ml !steamdeckpirates@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Pirates will not move the communities. The communities are fine where they are. People will need to create accounts on the host instances or instances that haven’t blocked those communities.
Stop crying about it and just join a new instance, pretty simple.
Yeah that. And I say it as someone who, on a good day, will go on philosophical rambles about how piracy is in fact the moral thing to do.
Do people just not get that this is the entire point of a decentralized system?
Hop accounts, you lil’ bitch. Don’t sit in one server complaining about the owner of that server when you have a billion options.
And if your priority is the piracy community? Make the server that hosts that your homeserver.
Or just have more than one account and use an app instead of the default webpage.
It’s not rocket science. People’s brains are poisoned by centralization. Back in my day everything was its own separate forum with its own separate account and to be honest, it was miles better like that.
The problem with this is that it isn’t really decentralized equally. Lemmy.world has most of the users and getting defederated from them is essentially a death sentence in terms of content and engagement.
I think it’s a good idea to make new accounts on other instances, I plan to buy without a proper amount of people, lemmy.world is working the same way reddit did.
The problem with this is that it isn’t really decentralized equally. Lemmy.world has most of the users and getting defederated from them is essentially a death sentence in terms of content and engagement.
Self-resolving issue here. If people hop away from LW due to LW making decisions they don’t like, LW will cease being the one-go-to-place for stuff. Which is good, it shouldn’t be. No one instance should be “the main instance”. The right way to use federation is each person & community should make their home at a place where they vibe just right with the fed admins.
Also also – Defederation is a far more nuanced thing than just “is block”. There is more than one tool that can be used by an ActivityPub admin.
If LW defederates from your home instance – You can still manually follow communities that are in LW AND interact with them (unless the admins go out of their way to ALSO block USERS from your home instance), as “defederated from the instance” just removes it from the global timeline/global community search.
What happened here, though, wasn’t defederation, it was a block, and a block on two specific communities, which outright prevents viewing & interacting with content from those communities from within LW. Which brings me to: LW’s block on the piracy communities from dbzer0 doesn’t stop LW users from interacting with dbzer0 as a whole. Or vice-versa. Only with stuff from the piracy coms.
Hopefully this will drive people to switch to another instance, and the issue you mentions will be less present.
Reddit syndrome still affects a lot of users here, who view having multiple accounts on different answers as an inconvenience instead of a feature of the platform design. The irony is that tons of users on Reddit had lots of accounts without batting an eye, but that extra step of having to lick a new instance is just SO complicated.
It’s a major inconvenience and I’ll stick to one. If it can’t be accessed from Lemmy.world it’s not really my problem tbh and I’ll just act like it doesn’t exist.
I’ve never noticed any defederation from my instance or drama aside from the main posts talking about it, and if you came here interested in a piracy community it’s good for that, lemmy.dbzer0.com. “Lemmy.World” seems to be where all the drama happens hah. I have only ever made one account, interact with several different instances without issue. I agree using several accounts would be annoying.
It is an inconvenience. Having to track which account can view which communities, with all the drama and defederation happening each week isn’t easy.
Indeed. There are lots of proposals for perfectly portable decentralized user identities, subscriptions that transcend specific instances, and whatnot, but until those things actually arrive that’s not the Fediverse we’re dealing with. It’s a hassle having to switch instances.
Picking a better instance for your main is most advisable. Users can accept that the primary benefit of a free and open source federated service can also sometimes inconvenience them, or they cannot. Complaining about the core mechanic of the technology that literally cannot change is silly IMO. Corporate owned centralization leads to enshittification. Your account age indicates that you know that first hand.
Centralized Reddit brain poison tbh.
Your password manager will keep track of your credentials. If you have THAT MUCH trouble keeping track of which communities are on which server, stick to local communities.
Back in the day we had everything be its own separate forum and no one died from that. You’re just lazy.
Nice bait dude.
You being incorrect and stupid is not bait.
I did that the last time and moved here ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Better management, no censorship, better uptimes and quicker upgrades, no need to look back (I moved “momentarily”).
Here being where exactly?
I think “here” being the instance their account is on, https://lemm.ee
Yep :)
I forgot some apps or frontends might not show up instance names next to usernames.
quicker upgrades
That’s an important one, especially with how long it took LW to upgrade. I completely get why it’s more challenging for them due to their number of users, but that could be an argument for enthusiastic users to move elsewhere.
Make sure to cancel and if possible refund your donations to Lemmy.world before doing that as well. No reason to give them money if you’re not going to use them anymore. I canceled mine when this all started happening the first time.
You… Got a refund on a donation? Wow…
I never said I got a refund on my donation, I’m saying if someone just donated they might want to try getting a refund on it in addition to canceling.
If I may ask, why still use .world then?
Great question, see when instances have management level disagreements like this there really isn’t any purpose to using their communities from a remote account.
Unlike a lot of people who “migrated” I realize it ultimately doesn’t make a difference using these communities from a remote server because they are controlled by this one and ultimately will be affected by defederations and bans. So I only migrated my non-lemmy.world subscriptions to the other instance accounts and left the local ones on this account.
The question we should all be asking is why did the defederate?
Did they really do it again, fucking hell. I came here for a better experience then Reddit and I feel like it’s starting to be a worse experience then Reddit. Transparency from admin my ass.
Lemmy suffers from pretty much every issue that Reddit suffers from. To think Lemmy is special or somehow insulated from this is the most naive thing I’ve ever seen.
That’s weird, I haven’t seen u/spez around here lately.
Reddit was great for at least 5-10 years, the main issue that caused everyone to leave was that it became corporatized and had to start making a profit. That can literally never happen on Lemmy, because it’s free and decentralized. So yes, Lemmy is special and insulated from corporate abuse. If you can’t understand the value of that, you may as well go back to reddit.
It’s not free of corporatist behaviour though, especially on the large instances. This is a classic example. I guess at least people can vote with their feet, and still stay on the fediverse.
Transparency is there in the sense that the modlog makes clear that a lemmy.world admin blocked the community. If it were Reddit we’d never know how, just that it is blocked.
Talk about moving the goalposts. The lemmy.world admins promised not to do this again without community consultation, then just went ahead and did it anyway. Just because we have the modlog doesn’t excuse the breach of commitment.
I’m aware of this broken promise. My comment is speaking specifically on a limited technical basis when comparing it to Reddit, which is what I mean by “in a sense”. I hope this clarifies it for you.
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Feel free to join any other instance from that list: https://github.com/maltfield/awesome-lemmy-instances?tab=readme-ov-file
You can export and import your settings (including subscriptions and block lists) in two clicks from your account settings.
Yeah looks like I’ll have to.
…you can just change instances. World did this before and I that’s how I ended up on this account/instance.
.ml is terrible. They actively ban people who aren’t tankies. Reasonable discussion is not allowed there. If there is one instance that should be defederated it is .ml
I’m not a tankie, and I haven’t been banned.
You sure you’re not confused with lemmygrad?
Yes I know a lot of people on .ml are not tankies but .ml admin is repeatedly banning anti tankie discussion. See my other comment above. Look at the modlogs and you’ll find people being banned for critical thinking. I blocked the instance because Lemmy <> lemmy.ml . The code can always be forked.
User accounts can be migrated to new instances with version 19
>They actively ban people who aren’t tankies.
this seems unlikely.
I’ve seen multiple posts from people who were banned from .ml and I looked at the removed comments and modlog myself, and people are being banned for even mild general discussion of topics debating the legitimacy of totalitarian communist policy.
this doesn’t show :
They actively ban people who aren’t tankies.
in fact, for evidence to the contrary, one of the biggest anarchism communities is on lemmy.ml
…if your metric is admin transparency, how the hell do you figure that Lemmy is worse than Reddit…?
I feel like Lemmy falls short in a lot of ways but transparency is not one of them
You’ve hit the nail on the head. The Lemmy experience is quickly beginning to sour. They’ve received an influx of trolls and I’ve run into a few moderators now that seem to be taking harsh actions. Maybe Lemmy isn’t for me after all.
Feel free to join any other instance from that list: https://github.com/maltfield/awesome-lemmy-instances?tab=readme-ov-file
You can export and import your settings (including subscriptions and block lists) in two clicks from your account settings.
Lol the Lemmy hivemind is just as fucking stupid as the Reddit hivemind. The fact that you got massively down voted for showing ANY negativity towards Lemmy as a whole proves this.
“People disagree with me! I must be right because they’re uhhhh triggered! Yeah!”
Conservative-ass viewpoint
Maybe you guys are getting downvoted for conflating Lemmy on the fediverse as a whole with Lemmy.World.
These actions don’t affect anyone not on Lemmy.world, assuming db0 federates with you, !piracy is still there for you
yep I got downvoted, as expected. More proof. What’s a surprise. Just like Reddit
Where have I heard it before? If my memory serves me right, it was very popular cope on another discussion platform. What a surprise. Just like Reddit.
“dOwNvoTeS pROvE mE rIgHt”
did you think you’re going to get a hero’s welcome?
The thing is, this actually if anything proves the strength of the fediverse. Lemmy.world is not Lemmy and Lemmy is not the fediverse. Just find another instance that has not blocked the community yet and carry on with your day.
Lemmy.world have every right to curate the experience for their users as they see fit and/or feel comfortable carrying the risk for.
They do of course have that right, but they should at a minimum follow their previously stated commitments to consult their users before taking actions like this.
Hey it’s a free world. You’re welcome to migrate to a different instance. Heck why not run your own? That’s the power of the fediverse. Or just head back to Reddit.
Great thing about the fediverse is that you have options when admin/moderation actions occur that you don’t agree with. If Reddit were to remove /r/piracy then we’d have no recourse
Very true…as long as the federation of servers remains as it is now, but I’m increasingly worried it won’t.
I mean, yes, Dbzer0 still exists, and yes, you can access it from other instances, but Lemmy.world is the biggest one and users here being cut off from it from here will strangle the amount of activity it gets. Visibility is important for the health of other instances and their communities. There’s a good reason why alternative subreddits never outgrow the main ones.
Yes and no. While it’s true that piracy might not get “drive-by” traffic from l.w. users, those users who become aware of it, or who want to access it will be forced to create an account elsewhere than l.w. which will also help with redistributing users to smaller instances.
… again.
Well this comment section was an interesting read. Interesting how many comments still bend the discussion towards bashing lemmy.ml and defederating from it. People, it’s not even the topic of this post?
Also it seems like very few actually read the post beyond the title? The problem is not lemmy.world banning the piracy community, they have the right to do so, that’s how federation works. The problem is them making a promise to make announcements about such bans in advance, but they instead did it quietly in the background again.
When “reddit outside of reddit” does reddit things 🫨
When the people using a free service you’re not obligated to provide try and shame you for not taking on multimillion dollar legal departments.
The communities they banned are only for the discussion of piracy(whick is legal). There are no copyrighted material hosted in any of them.
It doesn’t matter if they’re blessed by the Pope himself. The people who run the instance get to decide what moves through it.
Yes, and I can voice my dissatisfaction with it. I’m not sure what your point is other than trying to tell me to shut up in a more verbose way.
The benefit is that it isn’t just another reddit but rather network of reddits
Banned on one? Get from another.
I’m referring specifically to lemmy.world, not to all of lemmy or even the fediverse.
To be fair, Rudd is just a hobbyist who runs .world in his spare time. If he’s getting legal pressure, he’s probably going to cover his ass. He’s not a company with a legal dept. He’s a guy with a family and a day job.
Another problem is .world part of US-centric instance
Sounds like Lemmy has a tragic flaw. Not decentralized enough.
Sad that antipiracy laws are in place.
But understandable that lemmy.world protect themselves against those unfair laws.
The sailing will continue, but, as always, we should be wary of the “navy” and sail with precaution.
I never sail without protection
