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    Praise your “heroes”. It’s enlightening to watch a civilization confuse slaughter with honor.

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      If we’re assigning blame so broadly, let’s be thorough about it. What about the factory workers assembling weapons? They recognize a gun when they help manufacture it. They understand what tank treads are used for when they connect them. Engineers fully comprehend the lethal applications of their drone designs and technical specifications.

      If we’re truly committed to distributing responsibility appropriately, shouldn’t everyone in these production chains bear their share of moral accountability? Or is our outrage selectively applied to those with the least decision-making power in these systems?

      Perhaps we should question why our society finds it easier to condemn those with fewer choices rather than examining the entire structure that creates these weapons of war in the first place.

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    I am a US veteran

    Nothing makes me cringe harder than someone thanking me for my service

    Even though I personally didn’t do anything horrible, it’s still making me remember one of the worst experiences of my life

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      It only seems to be a US only thing. I assume it’s because the military is such a big thing for the US where other countries just see having a military almost as a chore.

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      As a nurse who graduated in the middle of COVID (and was working in hospitals leading up to it), A Wizard’s Guide to Defensive Baking by T. Kingfisher was surprisingly healing read.

      “You expect heroes to survive terrible things. If you give them a medal, then you don’t ever have to ask why the terrible thing happened in the first place. Or try to fix it.”

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    There are many truths. All those pictures are true so are fighting Nazis, imperialism, and famine. See the whole picture not just the part that supports your bias and political position.

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      The ONLY reason they temporarily (and royally late) fought nazis was to stop the Soviets from liberating the whole of western Europe.
      European competition nicely destroyed after which these vultures made us their vasals.
      If anything they helped plenty nazis escape or rehabilitated them.
      And I’m sure they caused more famines than solved them.

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      The US fights for Imperialism and famine, though. It doesn’t engage in war for moral reasons, but for profit, and as the world Hegemon, that directly incentivizes US Imperialism.

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        The U.S doesn’t give a fuck about their people. Women are being charged when they have a miscarriage. Seriously. WTF is wrong with you people???

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            Maybe understand that when an asshole is trying to turn your country into a dictatorship, there’s a time when the military stands for their country. NOT for dictatorship!

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              they were always a dictatorship for the rest of the world.
              They can all go to hell

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          Do you have… any supporting evidence? Or is this just based off the warm fuzzy feeling you got from doing the pledge of allegiance in school?

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              So is there any particular military history in the last 50 years you want to talk about? The invasion of Panama? Granada? Bombing Yugoslavia? Targeting Iraq’s infrastructure during the gulf war, then imposing sanctions estimated to have caused a million excess deaths, mostly of children? Bombing a pharmaceutical plant in Sudan? Iraq II? Arming the groups that would become ISIS and Al Nusra?

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                Sure, how about Ukraine. If we didnt give them 200 billion in money, weapons, and training they would just be Russian territory by now.

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                  Lets examine the evidence of history:

                  Do you think the people of Palestine are better off because of the US’s actions? Do you think the people of Syria are better off because of the US’s actions? Do you think the people of Libya are better off because of the US’s actions? Do you think the people of Yemen are better off because of the US’s actions? Do you think the people of Somalia are better off because of the US’s actions? Do you think the people of Afghanistan are better off because of the US’s actions? Do you think the people of Iraq are better off because of the US’s actions?

                  And that’s just in the last decade, and I know I missed a few. Do you really think Lucy is going to let Charlie Brown kick the football this time?

                  America is not acting to help the people of Ukraine, we supported the right-wing throughout the coup so we could have a hostile state on Russia’s border so the vultures can eat their fill as both countries are bled dry. Hence why Ukraine was required to sell off state assets to foreigners for pennies on the dollar, accept massive loans, give up mineral rights, lower the draft age, etc. Russia aren’t the good guys, but the US’s actions have resulted in a scenario infinitely worse for the Ukrainian people.

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          Maybe the military should think about what the fuck they’re doing??? Are they going to follow fascists?

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      But, Elon is throwing the Nazi salute. Your government is stripping away peoples rights. The whole picture is, the U.S. is stripping people of their constitutional rights.

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        Not really.

        They are just getting rid of any and every liberty that any reasonable society would provide.

        Not the rights though. We never had such rights. We just didn’t realise those were needed to be written down because others didn’t violate those expectations.

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            There is no such thing as a right to an abortion and that has nothing to do with doge. That was decided by the supreme court years ago. Elon Musk has already said he will step down at the end of May. You say he is taking peoples rights away. What rights is he taking away?

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      Yes absolutely. And many soldiers have paid the ultimate sacrifice for those things. Plus decisions regarding war are often made by politicians not soldiers.

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      Remember that good thing we did once? That means we can now ransack other 3rd world countries for profit, and fight in every country we can make a profit.

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      Exactly. It’s not a clear black and white issue and there are no easy solutions

      It is the common fate of the indolent to see their rights become a prey to the active. The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude is at once the consequence of his crime and the punishment of his guilt. – John Philpot Curran

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    The amount of cope in this thread is astonishing. I never thought I’d see an actual person justifying killing hundreds of thousands of civilians with a straight face. But here we are

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      Hollywood conditioned americans to believe they are heros and world savers. They cant grow up out of that for some reason. They also deeply believe that their lives is worth more than others.

      In a poll I saw recently, most countries of the world voted the US as the biggest threat to world peace.

      They are killing Yemeni civilians as we speak now.

      US veteran is going to be treated the same as Nazis as soon as the US will implode and stop controlling the media (the orange clown is already making this process faster).

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        While I understand the frustration toward those critiquing military personnel, I believe we should consider the broader context of responsibility in our society. Emergency responders who assist during natural disasters deserve our appreciation, even as we examine complex institutional issues.

        If we’re discussing responsibility, those in technology fields must also reflect on their contributions. Many STEM professionals work for profit-driven companies developing technologies with significant societal impacts—from military applications to automation that displaces workers.

        Throughout history, scientific advancement has brought both progress and devastation. The development of nuclear weapons, chemical agents, and military technology has often proceeded without adequate ethical consideration. When we examine figures like Oppenheimer or Einstein, we must acknowledge both their brilliance and the consequences of their work.

        The irony isn’t lost on me that many who quickly assign blame may themselves contribute to systems that concentrate power and wealth. Rather than dividing ourselves through targeted blame, perhaps we should recognize our collective responsibility for the current state of our nation.

        I believe that fostering division only benefits those who already hold power. Perhaps approaching these issues with understanding rather than hate might offer a more productive path forward—even if that perspective seems idealistic in today’s polarized climate.

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          It’s almost like people, places, things, ideas and acts have good and bad consequences, foreseen and unforseen, isn’t it?

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        Iirc, FBI or some USA government entity convinced? coerced? Hollywood into being the propaganda department of our government sometime during WW2.

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    Well the bomb was retaliation for the Bataan Death March.

    Either way, no side is innocent.

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      The bomb is one of the many crime against humanity US have commited and have not been punished for. Hiroshima museum is a testimony of this crime.

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        Promptly swept under the rug and censored so the country doesn’t get a bad rep

        … oh wait

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      Yeah, I’m so glad the civilians in Hiroshima got punished for participating in war crimes

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        I feel like it’s how my gut flora aren’t responsible for my actions or anything but will suffer my choices and others’ choices involving me.

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    The predicted Allied casualties for a mainland invasion of Japan were so high, especially with regard to the civilian fanaticism witnessed throughout the Island-hopping Campaign, the right choice was using the Atomic Bomb. After use of the first atomic bomb, when Japan failed to yield and refused to surrender, the return to consideration to a homeland invasion, along with running the numbers of anticipated Allied casualties, made using the second Atomic Bomb the correct choice. The best choice was made, with regard to the information on hand at the time.

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      You think killing anywhere from 150,000 to 246,000 civilians to kill 10,000 military personnel is good?

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      The predicted Allied casualties for a mainland invasion of Japan were so high

      Those estimates were made after the fact, in response to criticism. In reality, a mainland invasion was never in the cards at all. It’s a myth. There’s nothing about it in any of the letters or journals of the people making the decisions. There were two actual alternatives to the bomb:

      1. Cooperating more with the Soviets. The Japanese refused to surrender in part because they were holding out a desperate hope that the USSR would intercede as a neutral third party in peace negotiations, when in fact they were just stalling for time while they redeployed their troops from Europe to Asia. The US and USSR had planned to issue a joint declaration calling for Japan to surrender at Potsdam, but Truman pulled out at the last minute when he heard that the bomb had been tested successfully. The soviet declaration of war was only days apart from the dropping of the bombs and the Japanese surrender.

      2. Accepting conditional, rather than unconditional surrender. The Japanese had already offered to surrender on the sole condition that the emperor not be tried for war crimes. The US had every intention of doing that, and it’s what they actually did after the war. However, Truman had promised “unconditional surrender” and he wanted the newspapers to call it that.

      The decision was all about prestige and politics and not sharing the spotlight. It wasn’t necessary.

      This is a very long video about it but it’s very informative and well sourced.

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      the right choice was using the Atomic Bomb.

      Least rabid and bloodthirsty imperial dog

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      Listen, not all nazi soldiers were particularly bad. I’m sure a chef in the rear guard probably did not do a single war crime. But when the SS existed we know that the chef isn’t what most people refer to when discussing war crimes of the era.

      Its the same in this era. Sure, there are bad guys all over the place, but compare to the US there’s really only a handful of entities in the post WWII era that could be equals, and none more evil.

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      Anyone who seriously looks at history would agree that yes, every wartime military has a war crimes problem. No exceptions.

      But anyone who seriously looks at history must also admit that American veterans have committed the vast majority of war crimes since the end of WWII. We have invaded over 70 countries and killed millions of innocents. No other country even comes close.

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        This is offtopic, but is there any reason for using a word derived from USA instead of saying veterans from the USA? Usian sounds wrong

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          because calling them “american” implies the USA is the entire continent. i cant really call myself an american, even though i am.

          they stole the word to mean “them” like the rest of the continent doesnt matter.

          also in my country we call it “estadunidense”, which roughly translates to “usian”.

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            Interesting. In Canada we just refer to the country as US, but to its denizens as Americans.

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            American is obviously a way worse name. I was suggesting using “someone from the USA”, but usian also makes sense considering the context

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              yeah, i usually say “people from the us” but i miss having a single word for it, like “danish” or “chinese”