Lemmy’s design is focused on quality content by ditching the Karma farmers and addicts. No more chasing upvotes—people here actually focus on real value instead of feeding the ego.
EDIT: I know there are upvotes and downvotes, but the problem with Reddit is you can’t post in most communities if your karma or reputation is bad. This is a big problem because herd mentality prevails there and if ypu have unpopular opinions you’re basically censored.
Lemmy isn’t designed to milk ypur dopamine with notifications every 10 upvotes, so you focus more on posting valuable cont instead of farming for approval and upvotes.
“Karma” is just a counter of a user’s recieved votes. It still exists on lemmy, most clients just choose to not display it.
Also where is this “value content” supposed to be?
Our value comes from our superior bean-based posting economy.
fun fact: i’m allergic to beans (i think), but i still like it here
Well, and also because I can express my hope that a piano fall on Spez’s head.
Also, smaller servers means that it’s easier to spot criminal communities and boot their asses. Also individual servers can be cracked down on for hosting evil content, without all of Lemmy being destroyed.
And we’re allowed to say Nazi’s are bad
You just get the occasional weirdo from a weirdo instance arguing otherwise
yeah, and you can luckily just block their instance
It’s comparing lemmy to Reddit, not to the twitter zombie
Sadly Reddit has been toeing the line and has been banning any accounts for “threatening violence” for any support of Luigi no matter how peaceful or non-violent or ANY criticism of Elon The Musky Husky
Heck even before my account was banned I was warned for “advocating violence” just for saying “It’s understandable to wanna punch Nazis”
You can’t ask a social network to support ideas that involve violence and murders. I know Luigi is a hero for many but it was an illegal action. You can think any monarchy is anacronyst nowadays, but you can’t go and shoot any of those useless humans that think they can be called king or queen like we were living in mediaeval times
And remember that any insurance system is not that different from a national system, you can convert one into the other any time. The problems is with shitty brains which can go and spread their shitty ideas either here or there. Since national system can be so corrupted, it’s ok to have a private way to clean them up from time to time.
It’s not that I want Reddit to support violence, it’s that I want Reddit to support free speech
Let me suggest you don’t become too attached to a mainstream digital tool
by ditching the Karma farmers
How, exactly? Decentralization aside, lemmy is a reddit clone, but on a smaller scale. The same human psychology that drives reddit also drives lemmy. I think your assessment is more applicable to mastodon because there you really have to figure out how to fill your feed with content.
I put an edit since many had the same rebuttal.
Lemmy still has comment karma. Mine’s at 1500.
that’s number of comments, not total points.
Impossible. I don’t comment that much
idk what to tell you, but that is what that number means. Here is mine, you can see it shows a 1 as ive only ever made 1 post, and not a 3 for the number of points on my only post. Also im not sure this applies to other lemmy instances, might just be a lemm.ee thing.
You guys are both wrong. It’s the number times in life that you’ve farted and lied about it.
Nah it can’t be that, that numbers way too low to be that.
We have that here too. FlyingSquid comes to mind.
Ironically, this account’s bio and its history is screaming “I am a LLM posting a bunch of AI slop”.
What makes you say that?
Bio: “Your Digital Workshop. We build websites and host them, as well as create content for your social media.”
Posts: all on a bunch of different communities. All of them short, just one or two sentences.
Short comments scream human to me more than long comments. Like that guy who never posts any comments shorter than three paragraphs all perfectly formatted and punctuated.
Yeah, but the point is the consistency. It’s quite easy to prompt the model to just respond in always in the same way, and one could just say “you are supposed to talk like an average redditor. Keep it positive and short, and only elaborate if asked to.”
By that point you may as well be an LLM. ChatGPT is pretty good at emulating writing styles.
- My reddit account (with the same username) is 19 years old. This one was created in June of 2023, from even before the blackout. OP’s account is 17 days old.
- If you really care about it, I can arrange ways to prove that I am a real person - just get my matrix id here, and we could chat there if you want. Do you think that OP would accept such a request.
- Are you forgetting that some weeks ago there was some idiot around here telling how he wanted to get some LLM bots to post content and figure out if others would notice? Oh, and it’s not that it was a fully automated bot. The idea was to just post the content, but on accounts where he was supervising and could write as well.
I stand by my opinion. OP’s playing y’all for fools and now we are all arguing pointlessly.
- that’s just ageism gatekeeping /hj
- Assuming you mean video chat: I think it’s very reasonable for someone to turn down a PII (personally-identifiable information) reveal.
Like that guy who never posts any comments shorter than three paragraphs all perfectly formatted and punctuated.
'Sup.
Yes, I realize this particular comment is somewhat self defeating and probably not a great example. But that’s not the point.
The point is it’s apparently become my mission in life to annoy all the people on the internet who just check out any time they see a string of text that’s longer than 160 characters. I’ve been doing this since the early '90’s and you punks will never stop me.
that’s a very normal bio
I guess I’m a LLM, thanks for letting me know.
Draw me a picture of a full glass of wine. Full to the brim. Practically spilling over.
Anything else I can help you with?Draw me a hamburger, just bun, patty, bun. No lettuce, condiments or toppings.
Sorry, I don’t work on Sundays. I’m a special kind of computer
username checks out
I guess so, I got to change it to Witty Human to stay under the radar.
Quality content? You mean the exact same stuff that’s on Reddit, often copied directly from Reddit?
800,000 “Trump bad! Look at this latest bad thing Elong did!” posts a day is not quality content
Be the change you want to see.
You mean the exact same stuff that’s on Reddit, often copied directly from Reddit?
No. We mean all the stuff that Lemmy gets that Reddit either doesn’t get at all or gets a day later than Lemmy.
“Trump bad! Look at this latest bad thing Elong did!” posts a day is not quality content
This bad thing that Trump did looks like very worthwhile content.
Oh my sweet summer child. EVERY new service and SocMed site starts out like this. Fresh, fun, and working properly. Until the masses show up. That’s when it goes to shit.
Eternal december.
I feel like white-list federation can fix it.
You could do that if you wanted, but if we had these moderation things will probably be fine. It’s also Eternal September
Yep, it’s just a matter of time till karma system is getting implemented on here too
Why make this assumption? Is there a reason you believe we need that karma system? I genuinely can’t think of any reason, outside of corporate interest to push engagement.
You have nine up votes for this comment.
Can see it on boost for Lemmy.
Of course you can see the comment’s individual karma. But, if you got my profile or yours, there is not accumulated karma.
Ah, i see now what you’re saying now. I’m sorry for being thick.
I genuinely can’t think of any reason, outside of corporate interest to push engagement.
On Reddit, I found that blocking people by account age and link karma noticeably improved the site. edit: For example, blocking 1 year old accounts with more than 100k link karma. /edit Mostly helped me filter out karma farmers from my feed that did nothing but repost memes or low effort shitposts.
Of course, not having total karma publicly tracked might make reposting a nonissue.
Yep, any sort of karma system is needed to get the masses to join somewhere. To attract the majority of people you need something that keep them interested. Karma on reddit is the same as likes on Facebook or Instagram
Horrible take. I absolutely do not give a fuck about arbitrary internet points and would like to see an open discussion without a majority bias downvoting someone into oblivion just because they disagree. For example, your comment will not be hidden just because your comment is being downvoted.
The only thing bringing profile karma to Lemmy will do is attract botters to inflate their credibility. Those could also be used to downvote others so the botter’s comments and posts are pushed to the top.
Again, horrible idea.
Where can I see my total number of likes on Facebook?
It already exists, it’s just not shown.
I think the only way to really fix this is to make votes a limited asset that accounts have. There are forums where this has worked okay: bodybuilding.com forums has a reputation system where accounts are limited in what they can give to other voters.
As long as “karma” is unlimited it suffers from the same problems whether you count it in aggregate or not. As some other commenters have said, people still seek validation in individual comments. I know because I do too.
Seeking validation apparently is core human trait so I am not sure if it is possible to avoid it at all. Still as you probably know social media corporations keep us hooked to their crack using it and amplifying the base value
Funnily, ironically some Lemmy apps copy Reddit UX (that was designed by psychology experts) and thus make it more addictive than it is on the web app.
Best bet to avoid social candy crack is to use lemmy from terminal if that is possible, or default site
I would imagine if you made karma points limited on the spender side rather than unlimited, then it might make users “try harder” to get validation, thus improving the quality of content on average.
Or it all could be bullshit and fail. Hard to say. You are right though, it’s all manufactured for engagement.
No, there’s karma. I’ve had more than a couple guys point out mine is negative.
Checks out
I wonder what you thought was evil. Probably something banal, but something Lemmy hates.
I vaguely recall it being something about refugees or Palestine
That makes sense. I still hold the opinion that illegal immigrants should be deported, and Hamas is awful.
Most people would agree with me, but most on Lemmy would not
What is this ‘evil’ flair stuff please do tell
Boost for Lemmy lets you tag users. I gave this user the evil tag when they said something evil.
Wooo, that’s super cool. Do I have any tags? Tell me tell me. Make a pink one
Tho these tags are shared yes? Imagine shared community built tags like some yelp reviews of people. Actually that’s a terrible idea so it will probably happen.
Augmented Reality Community Driven People Scoring System.
I don’t talk to anyone lower than 7 or who was marked by users as <opposite political party>Better yet. Automatically ban anyone with lower than 5
Ugh too much coffee, too many stimulants
Still it sucks so that’s probably the future. you can’t even opt out because even if you don’t have the AR glasses everyone else has.
The only hope for the future is to be a hacker. Achieve a cozy AI-proof job as a security consultant and use the skills to enhance your life.
For context for the people downvoting this: Lemmy doesn’t have karma, but Mbin does and it shows karma for Lemmy accounts too.
I think some apps will request all of your comment history and manually calculate karma but it’s not tracked by lemmy
Thanks, kind stranger! Here’s an updoot and Reddit Silver!
Visible post and comment scores are still going to produce some of this behavior. You may not have a total karma but people will still get dopamine from seeing their posts getting upvotes and be reinforced in doing the same again. So the same mechanisms of social pressure and uniformisation are at play. The worst being when people delete their minority opinion comments because of the downvote pressure.
You can turn vote counts off if you want to.
Yeah but I won’t because I like dopamine.
heres 1 (one) dopamine unit for you then
Down votes mean I am reaching the correct audience for that specific content
Maybe. They might also mean you’re an idiot.
Slashdot used to have a multidimensional voting system that would allow you to up or down vote something based on whether it was funny/insightful/correct, etc (can’t remember the dimension). I wish we had something like that. Sometimes it would be useful to mark a comment as “funny, but also wrong”
Welcome: Quarkvotes
Up, down, charm, strange, top, bottomUp/down = Usefulness or relation to topic
Charm/strange = Agree/accurate or not
Top/bottom = Love/HateI vote you up-charm-top, btw
Not a bad set! I would add something related to “funny”.
Also, separating agree (opinion) from accurate (factual) would be nice. But I guess you gotta keep it somewhat simple.
I turn my phone sideways and then my upvote is in a different dimension.
No, it was only up or down, but you could also choose to add a descriptor, funny, insightful, informative, flamebait, troll, and a few others: https://slashdot.org/faq#meta3
Right, thanks. Still a super useful system, IMO, though I’m sure better versions are possible.
Maybe. They might also mean you’re an idiot.
If I am wrong sombody will generally probide a rebuttal tho but deff happens
I had a discussion about using the Slashdot style voting rather than the Reddit style.
It not only has the additional tag, it has the max “upvote” display limit of 5, and the display code will expand and promote the best rated comments, while hiding the garbage.
I think comments on most forums would benefit from there being no ‘big upvote’ number to chase, as well as making the highest rated comments in a thread of say, 200, more obvious.
Genuinely curious, does that mean that, for you, getting downvoted gives you dopamine/a sense of accomplishment?
Your above comment is in the negative when I’m making this comment. Does that feel good? Again, genuinely curious, hard to put a non-judgemental tone in writing.
I can’t relate to that feeling, upvotes and downvotes to me show how much a community agrees or disagrees with what I’ve said. Either what I said isn’t right for the community I posted it in or maybe just a generally unpopular opinion if I’m getting downvotes. Might make me reflect but usually no big deal, I’m mostly here for the discussions, memes and current events. Outside of trolling I don’t really see how getting downvoted might be seen as a good thing by a poster.
Does that feel good?
I just want the absolute value of my comment’s karma to be high. That means it has been read at least that many times.
If people down vote but are unable to provide a coherent rebuttal, that means that they are rage down voting.
Not necessarily, I usually downvote comments where there are enough rebuttal replies but I still disagree heavily with what’s being said. I am able to provide the Nth coherent rebuttal but I’m just either lazy or I don’t want to contribute to the spam.
I guess getting people to rage can feel validating, knowing that I’ve made someone rage quit a game feels satisfying for sure.
I don’t personally feel that way about sites like Lemmy/Reddit/Social-media in general where things are more discussion and social-interaction based though. I guess for my kind of discourse goals, if I’ve made someone angry rather than laugh or understand my perspective, I’ve done a bad job.
There are upvotes and downvotes and they do have some use gauging that content IMO
That being said, without the corporate structure and profit motive to produce a monetizing algo that encourages others to game it to further their own monetizing goals…it’s SIGNIFICANTLY better
Up/Down votes aren’t inherently bad, Reddit and other corporate platforms corrupt it with their profit chasing
Well, I kind of disagree with the up/down votes being inherently bad, as they more front-load early posting rather than accurate posting. Meaning early engagement is likely to have higher upvotes rather than engagement which is factual and well thought out. This incentivizes much more emotional and meme posting.
I’ve seen it happen time and time again on Reddit and even here: someone makes post, bunch of people react only to the headline, or spread misinformation, and by the time nuanced posts and thought out posts are made, engagement has plummeted and people have moved on to the next thing.
Yes this
…what do you think “karma” is?
Read the edit
Read the title.
Read whatever you want, but read ಠ╭╮ಠ
I read all of it. The title says “no karma”. We have “karma”. Which is why I’m questioning what you think karma is.
Ok this is my profile… Where is the karma count? What communities can’t I post in with a low karma?
