• walden@sub.wetshaving.social
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    1 day ago

    Lemmy was created because Desaulines(sp?) got “censored” on reddit. Now he famously over-censors his darling instance lemmy.ml.

    My point is just that nobody really thinks it should be a free for all. Everyone is human and doesn’t want to hear anything that they consider egregious, or in the case of lemmy.ml “against rule 2”.

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      4 hours ago

      nobody really thinks it should be a free for all

      Social media probably shouldn’t, but the law should allow for a free for all. I personally think we should be closer to “free for all” than “completely locked down,” but everyone has their preferred balance.

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        3 hours ago

        The creator of Lemmy is just one example. They remove a lot of content that isn’t hateful, just against their political ideology. I used that as an example of a private social media website which does a lot of censoring, even though the creators are sort of, somehow, outwardly against censoring? So everyone is human is my point.

        The article in question is about hate speech, not political dissent. Hate speech is pretty widely moderated away on Lemmy, and I think a majority of people here are cool with that. Some here are arguing semantics which is fair. Censoring is censoring which is the definition of censoring. I’m in the camp that if someone online is threatening another person or group of people, that should be hidden/removed.

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          1 hour ago

          The article in question is about hate speech, not political dissent.

          It’s also by a politician with political power.

          Do you know what the difference is between political dissent and hate speech? A clever application of the law, or a particularly persuasive lawyer. The law should be limited to prosecuting credible threats of violence or other speech intending to cause direct harm (e.g. repeated harassment, shouting “fire” in a crowded room, etc).

          Overbearing private moderation is absolutely fine, since people can take their speech to another platform or create their own. Laws controlling speech is another matter entirely.

          Lemmy devs are free to moderate their instances however they see fit, and I’m free to not engage with their instance.

    • lukewarm_ozone@lemmy.today
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      4 hours ago

      My point is just that nobody really thinks it should be a free for all.

      Don’t made judgements about everybody based on one guy. I’m on an instance that doesn’t defederate lemmygrad or lemmy.ml, so I commonly see utterly insane tankie takes in popular, and of course also in various comments - and yet I don’t want those people to not have a platform. Because I trust just about noone to decide whether my opinions should be censored, and if that means also not censoring the opinions of people who I think are very wrong, I’m willing to take that trade.

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      15 hours ago

      .ml is garbage lead by legit garbage people. But, open source means we can take lemmy code made by garbage people and repurpose it for good. Unfortunately it seems like Lemmy image is forever stained by those people and the network will never be adopted by normal people fully.

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        6 hours ago

        Lemmy is fine. It will blow up in the next 2-5, guaranteed. We will also learn new ways disinformation techniques will evolve in that time frame to adjust.

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              People don’t even understand what those two words even mean. The chronically stupid will stay stupid. My own mother is a prime example of this. Her brain is warped by whatever Fox News, Facebook, and health guru podcasts she listens to tell her how to think and feel. The majority in this country are just like her.

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                Unfortunately, yeah. It was remarkable that for some amount of time america was unique and maybe a decent place to live. All be it 10-20 years cumulatively, maybe. Best you can do now is look out for yourself; give the finger to your mom and people like her every chance you get; and hold tight while these idiots organizing leads to their idiotic demise.

                Because we are the few, we can slip between the cracks and find plenty of places to live where the fasicists can’t breathe down our necks.

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                  Thankfully my Mom and I still have a good relationship. I just don’t talk politics with her, however I am willing to sacrifice my privileged place in society to fight fascism if it comes down to a civil war.

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                    Oh, I don’t talk to my dad and avoid my mom. I have love for them but I can not tolerate their ignorance and I make sure they know it. Fuck them. They are not good people.

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      21 hours ago

      .ml doesn’t so parma bans generally speaking…

      While I still think their over zealous daddy sheepooh and pootin speech policing is rather clown, their mod style is more reasonable vis-a-vis.World mods who are just same as reddit lol

      Poor reading comprehension and regime narrative weaving…

      Never forget how they handled Saint Luigi