I was just reading this post https://old.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/1gmv76n/is_reddit_going_to_remain_the_primary_space_for/ and many barely see the fediverse as an alternative and they seem to have a negative bias towards it. Super ironic when it comes to the self-hosting community. Yes, some instances are problematic, yes, some devs might have had problematic views. But it doesn’t really matter when it’s federated and FOSS. I think it’s clear-cut that the selfhosting community on Lemmy is a perfect alternative to reddit. Why is there such a negative bias?

  • PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.caEnglish
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    2 days ago

    Honestly, in my experience since I fully moved to Lemmy:

    Almost any subreddit is more mature than any Lemmy channel.
    This isn’t just number of users (but that’s a huge problem that has been mentioned here a lot), it means that the chance you’ll run into a mod who is a tinpot despot is pretty high, and there is nothing you can do about it if you’re not willing to sit alone in a ghost town alternate community.

  • TimewornTraveler@lemm.eeEnglish
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    5 days ago

    I mean, read the post? They explain themselves pretty well there. Or are you linking it with hopes we’ll brigade or something?

    Lemmy hate comes down to two or three things: they don’t like communists, or they’re confused by it. Or they’re waiting for it to be bigger.

    • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      5 days ago

      100%. That’s why it took me until the end of June to join Lemmy even though the blackout was on June 12th.

      And I was already hating Reddit before the blackout. But FOMO made me stay and I feel bad about it.

  • zerozaku@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    5 days ago

    I am getting to know that lemmy.ml guys are bad, so do you all avoid subbing to lemmy.ml communities? I have bunch of their communities subbed so not sure if I should move away or not.

    • OpenStars@piefed.socialEnglish
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      2 days ago

      Some of the communities are fine, but make sure that you never EVER talk about politics in any way. And even then, why support such a place that has such a reputation? Most communities - though not all - have counterparts elsewhere. Judge for yourself, though it’s nice to at least know that you have options:-).

      In fairness, people outside of the instance may legit be receiving the brunt of their more extreme members coming out from the echo chamber and talking shit elsewhere. Then again, why choose to be inside that echo chamber, even if the toxicity is dialed way down?

      And there are answers to that question that may depend on your circumstances: e.g. !Firefox@lemmy.ml is by far the largest Firefox community across the entire Fediverse. Also the ire of people inside Lemmy.ml is mostly directed at the primarily democratic capitalist Western society, but you may not feel impacted by such as much, as e.g. they make fun of the USA.

      Only you know what will work best for you:-).

    • DarkThoughts@fedia.io
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      5 days ago

      I block all .ml communities that pop up on my feed. Somewhere between 200-300 on my blocklist by now (not all exclusively from .ml of course, but most of them).

          • blackn1ght@feddit.ukEnglish
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            5 days ago

            It is. Go into your account settings -> blocks and at the bottom is a section for blocking instances.

            I’ve got Lemmy.ml in there. You’ll still see comments from their users and posts from users in other communities but you shouldn’t see any of their communities in your feed.

              • OpenStars@piefed.socialEnglish
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                2 days ago

                Actually it is. I don’t have an Mbin account but supposedly if you go to https://fedia.io/d/lemmy.ml then you should be able to accomplish it from there. It’s quite hidden though, isn’t it!?:-P More details in this post: https://piefed.social/post/307636.

                I’d be interested to hear how it works out for you - like on PieFed if you do that, it blocks the users but not the communities, and in Lemmy it blocks communities but not users. I don’t know what it will do for you, beyond blocking users - but like, is it similar to a full defederation in blocking the communities as well?

    • viking@infosec.pubEnglish
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      5 days ago

      That was the first instance out there, so amany early adopter communities are hosted there. I’ve blocked a handful problematic users and all the communist stuff and other topics I don’t agree with or care about, but by and large it’s alright.

      Hexbear.net and lemmygrad.ml are instances I’ve blocked altogether.

      • Spiritsong@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        5 days ago

        For some reason after reading this (because I’m very new to Lemmy), your post made me feel like that squiggly thing / slime inside the box that wanted freedom, then the moment it takes a step outside, got punched back in and now is happily being inside the box, even if its cramped.

        I think it was a meme too.

        Yeah, but I do feel that way (after taking a look there)

    • Saleh@feddit.orgEnglish
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      5 days ago

      Most lemmy.ml users and communities are perfectly fine. I didnt notice a higher number of problematic users from ml than from other instances mine is federated to. I think hexbear and lemmygrad and a bunch of nazi instances are defederated.

  • PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.caEnglish
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    5 days ago

    Almost everyone in the linked Reddit post seems to be supportive of Lemmy, or even Lemmy users. Even the people who tried it and stopped seem generally warm to the idea and just think it needs polish.

    I’d say that this comment section is way more vitriolic than that one lol

  • sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
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    5 days ago

    I am pretty sure most people are for idealogical reasons so lack of things is a nothing burger for them.

    Normies only care about ease of use and network effect. Until fediverse brings usability, we aint even compete for the network.

    • secret300@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
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      4 days ago

      Idk I find Lemmy easier to use. I go to Lemmy site -> I use site

      I go to reddit -> I get asked to turn of my VPN -> get asked to login -> get asked to download mobile app -> accept cookies -> I finally use site.

      Damn reddit is so much easier

        • sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
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          4 days ago

          well you need an account to shit post tho…

          so you need to log in

          if you want to login you will get in VPN bullshit or your browser is hardened. if they can’t track you, they essentially don’t want you to use their slopware.

          but yes, you can read reddit old, that’s what people should use when they do research IMHO

      • sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
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        4 days ago

        -> I get asked to turn of my VPN ->

        Yes 🐸

        secondary reason why i left reddit, they don’t respect a person who respects him or her self… not long after i learned that’s corpo’s MO and that’s how i become radicalized linux enjoyer haha

    • meep_launcher@lemm.eeEnglish
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      5 days ago

      Normie here, Lemmy is pretty easy to use imo. I think the transition is happening now kinda like the Internet in the 90s or online dating in the 10’s.

      Ofc I just got here and I’m using Voyager.

      A theory I have is that everyone who hates reddit eventually left leaving the milk bags brains. I was mod of r/mapporncirclejerk and left when I saw my mod queue get exponentially worse. My friend told me it was because the decent people left for Lemmy.

      Now I’m mod of !cartographyanarchy@lemm.ee and it’s sooooo much easier.

  • Rakenclaw@fedia.io
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    5 days ago

    No idea, quit Reddit over a year ago for fedia/lemmy. Never used x/twitter either, i use mastodon.

  • Ofiuco@lemmy.cafeEnglish
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    6 days ago

    Speaking from a third-world country, there are 2 main weaknesses the fediverse has for us:

    • selfhosting is not easy or cheap for us, so we can only use what it’s already there… And it’s basically all in english, so most people are out.
    • meta has everyone grabbed by the balls and people are happy like that (for some reason), anything new or different is met with endless excuses.

    There used to be a mexican instance called Mujico, but they were forced to use a whitelist by constant troll attacks… But they also federated with grad so I can’t feel bad about it. I don’t know if it still exists but the last time I checked it had zero activity.

  • Lvxferre@mander.xyzEnglish
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    6 days ago

    Besides other factors mentioned in this thread, there’s also

    • selection bias: people with a positive view of Lemmy already migrated, so the leftover is bound to have more negative views
    • older userbase: older people use language in a different way, talk about different topics, and dig into those topics in a different way. That often makes younger people throw a tantrum.
    • group identity: for those “AS A SNOO” we’re basically apostates.
    • sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
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      5 days ago

      Older userbase makes this place a lot more useful, outside of politcs and news subs you are dealing with who can provide good information, ie how reddit used to work.

      Drama has its place… it is provocative and it gets people going… we need more engagement! We are deff getting there too, meme subs were spamming all 1 year ago, now there is enough threads to keep a reader busy without fluff memes.

      • Lvxferre@mander.xyzEnglish
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        5 days ago

        I agree with you that both things have their upsides; and frankly, I don’t even think that we should be pandering to the immigration leftover wallowing in Reddit. Growth is good, but growth should never come at the expense of the community that you’re trying to grow.

        However I feel like those points help to explain why the “lol lmao” crowds hate this place.

          • Lvxferre@mander.xyzEnglish
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            5 days ago

            My concerns about the “immigration leftover” is not their opposing views, but their behaviour. I don’t want to deal with the “waaah the world revolves around my belly, why are you too stupid to understand that?” crowds and their incessant whining.

  • OpenStars@piefed.socialEnglish
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    6 days ago
    1. the post already said why:

    I would love to move away from reddit but it’s hard when this is where the base of my favorite communities still exists.

    1. further compounded by issues such as (a) overall lack of moderation, which further depends on (b) better development of moderation tools, and © guides explaining how things work, bc it can be fairly confusing, e.g.:

    How do I find selfhosted communities on Lemmy? If I search for “selfhosted” I get one community (Run It Yourself) with around 3K subscribers and very little activity. Is that it?

    Though someone answered (I think incorrectly):

    I think the biggest one is 40k on lemmy.world and it’s called “selfhosted”. You must be on a Lemmy server that doesn’t show that community for some reason. There are ideological rifts on Lemmy that can cause some servers to splinter like that.

    Interestingly, from my old instance discuss online, I see no hits at all to that term among community names - https://discuss.online/search?q=selfhosted&type=Communities&listingType=Local - meaning that nobody from that instance has subscribed to it yet.

    Which is why things like Categories of Communities (already fully functional on PieFed) are so helpful to guide people to what they may be looking for.

    1. And I haven’t even begun on the whole tankies connotation of moving here.

    I think it’s clear-cut that the selfhosting community on Lemmy is a perfect alternative to reddit.

    No - apparently not, it’s only clear to you, not them, for all the reasons listed above and likely more besides. We would have to build it first, before they will come… and even then I would expect a long delay. In the meantime, Lemmy MAUs (Monthly Active Users) are actively declining, whether they are returning their traffic to Reddit or not.

  • Optional@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    6 days ago

    What do you expect from a bunch of lazy T_D chuds, bots, and n00bz

    Ha haaaa! Right? Up top!