Does anyone have the full video link, that shows the entire interaction? Youtube keeps censoring / removing it.
The ccp has so heavily censored the tiananmen square massacre that no evidence exists that it happened. They even staged videos of non-violent interactions between the ccp tanks and the protesters. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square
here, as covered by CNN of all places https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeFzeNAHEhU
also here are some subbed clips from official state broadcast of the color revolution attempt
the whole video is here https://web.archive.org/web/20200604205421/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDMXV1smwR0
Finally found it! Not on youtube of course. The CNN one cuts off all the important parts.
Yeah it’s really hard to find the full one where he actually leaves. Also, as I recall what he was upset about was that the tanks were leaving, and he was against the protests. Don’t have a source on hand though.
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I wonder if they’re able to see this?
Warning: NSFL
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Of course it was lol. Rule 1 apparently - “Be civil and nice”. I literally linked to an achived blog post, how was I being uncivil?
The worst is that as iconic as it is, this photo doesn’t even capture a fraction of what happened on Tiananmen Square.
The full story is much bigger and much more gruesome. You can read about it here (WARNING: link has some very graphic and disturbing images): https://archive.ph/2020.07.12-074312/https://imgur.com/a/AIIbbPs
People in China and Hong Kong can, actually. Presumably your understanding of the Tiananmen riots is about as garbage as almost every other Westerner’s.
- The Tian’anmen Square ‘Massacre’: The West’s Most Persuasive, Most Pervasive Lie.
- 1989 Tian’anmen Square riots
- A Note on the Tiananmen Protests
- Images from Tiananmen 1989 the West never shows (NSFW / CW: violence and death)
- Tank Man video footage. Tiananmen Square, Beijing, 1989
- [Carl Zha’s] Memories of Tiananmen Protest
Oooh, an Hexbear trap! More users to add to my block list, thank you!
It really is.
Currently debating whether to switch to one of my non-.world accounts for the first time in months to see if people from there and Lemmygrad have descended on this yet lol
Damn and I thought there are only the comments of yours and the one you responded to. But no, there are 15 others as well.
There’s some real doozies too, including one user (calling herself LesbianLiberty while simping for a regime that doesn’t allow same sex marriage or have any anti-discrimination laws that protect LGBTQ+ people) claiming that ALL Chinese people have seen the photo and 95% approve of the government 😂
I’m pretty sure that there’s no significant group of people who are 95% in agreement on ANYTHING, let alone 95% of 1.4b people agreeing that a totalitarian regime is doing a good job 😂
Hexbear is loud and noisy but their heart is in the right place and they punch Nazis. But hey lets hear what the reasonable neo nazi has to say.
They are always excusing dictatorship. Their heart is not in the right place.
Do they excuse dictstorship? Doesn’t seem like it to me.
No they just say dictatorships are fine because other countries do bad things too. Very different.
Receipts please?
So is this like a glue trap for tankies? Just keep them contained to this post for a while?
Typical American politics, throwing the stone and hiding their hand after, the bad guys are always the others. Like the famous missile crisis in Cuba, 1962, which almost put us in a nuclear war, which by the way was avoided by the Russians at the last moment, while the USA already had its finger on the red button, to launch the own nuclear missiles, stationed in Turkey and Italy since 1959, pointing to Mosow, and no one talks about, because the bad guys are the Russians. US foreign policy has caused most dictatorships and wars today, for oil and for MAGA.
“Your government is bad on some level so my government can be bad on all levels and you can’t say nuthin’, hypocrite!”
Did you know that two governments can be bad at the same time?
All of which still doesn’t excuse Tiananmen Square.
Like how we can’t tolerate the Hamas attack, which also doesn’t justify Israel’s disproportionate response.
What happened exactly at Tiananmen Square? You have some good sources?
Absolutely nothing. Hundreds of people spontaneously died for no reason.
I assume they are asking for a source of there being violence on the square itself, and not the surrounding areas. Nobody denies that hundreds of people were killed, what’s controversial is whether or not this violence happened on the square itself or in the surrounding areas.
No, i don’t need sources on that. I’d like to hear claims on what happened in and around the square… Why it’s called a massacre? How many were killed? On which side were those killed? Were the ‘sides’ as clear cut as we are told? Why were there protests and why did it escalate?
Adding a user tag. I like to be accurate, what’s your stance on the Russia-Ukraine war? North Korea while we’re at it.
OK… And that’s relevant because?
“The CCP massacred people in Tiananmen square in a massive military crackdown on protests.”
“Nuh-uh, they didn’t massacre them in the square! They massacred them somewhere else!”
So much better.
I didn’t say it was better. I can’t speak for the commenter, but I imagine it’s in relation to the mass amount of misinformation spread about what happened in 1989, like the widespread myth that Tank Man was run over.
Personally, I think it’s important to both recognize the state violence and also acknowledge how Western Countries have propagandized the event beyond what actually happened.
Additionally, I do think it’s important to recognize that other massacres have happened in US-allied states like South Korea. The 1980 Gwangju Massacre is almost unheard of in western countries despite western estimates for civilians killed being higher. I didn’t see any commemoration on its anniversary last month.
It’s more to highlight how historical events have been exaggerated and minimized based on what is convinient for the media, you can see this minimization happening in Gaza right now.
The difference is the gwangju massacre isn’t regularly suppressed and denied by the country in which it occurred. You won’t get arrested in south Korea for publicly mourning at the memorial.
clearly nothing happened at Tiananmen Square, china in 1989.
I assume they are asking for a source of there being violence on the square itself, and not the surrounding areas. Nobody denies that hundreds of people were killed, what’s controversial is whether or not this violence happened on the square itself or in the surrounding areas.
Russians are always the bad guys have you never seen a movie?
Oh look! A tankie!
Like the famous missile crisis
Ok…
… and no one talks about…
Do you maybe see a problem in your own argument?
I know it’s a crazy concept, but hear me out: More than one thing can be bad and it’s ok to criticize them all.
As an American, I can assure you that it’s a well established national pastime to criticize the government. You can and should do it if you think they’re doing something fucked up.
Don’t misunderstand me, it’s always the corresponding gov and it’s supporters, never the country and their people as such. It’s the US goverment which sponsor and cause dictatorships, genocids and wars, it’s the goverment of Israel which crete and sponsor Hamas to justify it’s genocide since more than 50 years in Gaza, it’s the global capitalism with the greed of a minority the cause of the degeneration and collaps of the society, spreading ignorace and fanatism with the help of manipulative media and religion since centuries.
It isn`t enough to speak and critzise the gov when later only exist the posibility to vote between the bad and the worse, or no vote, because in policy the silent majory don’t exist.
I am also compelled to write “Israel is committing genocide” because right as of now at this moment, many Americans and Europeans can’t.
nothing is stopping us from writing that, or finding evidence of it online.
What’s the historical significance of Tiananmen Square? People sure seem to like talking about it, but personally I don’t really see why it warrants so much attention, in the grand scheme of things.
Exactly! And what’s the historical significance of the Holocaust? Why can’t people just get over it? I don’t really see why it warrants so much attention, in the grand scheme of things.
Comparing an incident where 11 million people were killed to one where hundreds of people were killed is a form of Holocaust denialism.
The main thing to me is simply the Chinese government’s constant efforts to pretend it didn’t happen.
Contrast this with places like America, or especially Germany. Both countries have done awful things to minorities. They often put attention on those misdeeds to ensure future generations don’t repeat the mistakes. Now, it’s considered patriotic to protest poor government decisions.
America does WHAT now?
China has official death estimates so I don’t believe that they deny that anything at all happened.
Now, it’s considered patriotic to protest poor government decisions.
Is it now? Would you say the student protests over Gaza are considered “patriotic” in mainstream American culture?
