• Strider@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    It seems many don’t remember why there was a ts2 mass extinction. It was because of the horrendous ts3 licensing.

    Why the masses went to yet another closed system like discord I’ll never understand while being very satisfied with mumble/murmur.

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      The absolute largest group of players in any game stuck with Mumble. That would be The Goonswarm Federation in EvE Online. We have just over 25,000 people, and well over 100,000 characters in the Alliance. In fact, AFAIK, all of the major alliances have to use Mumble because it allows more than 100 people in a room

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      Don’t you have to host Mumble somewhere? With Discord anyone can create a server and invite friends for free with no technical knowledge required. That’s a huge plus. I also remember RadCall was a thing for a while, at least where I am from.

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        Yes, you need to run the service somewhere. But anyone can do so (Foss).

        With discord my experience is limited but I currently understand it’s a service model so you’re dependant on a company, which can pull the same sh*t teamspeak did at any time.

        Not needing any technical knowledge just means someone else is running it, possibly being able to lock you in. And in the case of discord, you already are locked in and have to accept whatever they think up.

        At some point, monetization will take over.

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          I don’t think that people are trying to find an eternal solution. Nothing lasts forever. When Discord turns to shit, something else will take its place. There is no need to worry about that when it offers too many advantages today.

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            Fair point, but if you need to switch anyway you might want to pick an available option that solves at least the issue being currently faced.

            The again, we’ve moved back a lot to throw away mentality.

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    My friends and I still use TS3. The audio quality and voice activation is better than Discord’s, and the desktop app doesn’t take ten fucking gigabytes of RAM to run.

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      Yep, Mumble is the most common, and there are still a couple groups that use Teamspeak.

      Discord caps at 100 people in a call while I’ve seen good Mumble servers handle over 800.

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        For a group our size (we regularly have over 800 people on our mumble, peak is somewhere around the 1.3k mark if I remember correctly), it would also be very cost prohibitive to use TS

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      I remember moving to mumble from teams peak because it allowed pretty cool levels of configuration.

      Back in the late 00s and early 00s I was doing world of warcraft raiding. I had the server setup to have one key for main raid and another to talk to only officers. Quite useful especially in bigger raids.

      Also as I recall for any remotely large ts server you needed to pay. The self hosted one was always gimped. Mumble you could self host with no limits.

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      Also supports positional audio which was very cool wheb first introduced for voip

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      nah I’ll just continue to mod my client until the death of it. If discord ever decides to ban mods, then most likely yeah I’ll move. Default discord is so fucking bloated and unusable.

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        Didnt know discord could be modded. Do you have any privacy enhancing mods you’d recommend?

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          Yes. Aliucord is stuck in the past BUT is running the NATIVE version of the app (not the shitty slow electron one).

          Vendetta Manager, discontinued but there is a fork that works. Up to date with discord.

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        Shit, there are discord mods? Is there a list somewhere of popular mods/what do you recommend?

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          vencord, hands down best modding client for the job. Just browse their catalog of avalabile plugins and get yourself a better experience ;D

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    Shit, that’s a real post. The whole account is just talking about how nobody uses TeamSpeak anymore.

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      That’s a pretty sweet paid gig for someone who does professional PR.

      Very pathetic in any other scenario though.

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    I refuse to use discord, it is basically malware. Selfhosting is the only way, and TS3 works great for that.

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          If you can’t audit the source code of the program, how do you know if TeamSpeak isn’t malware?

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            Not everything has to be foss, it is in company’s best interest to not make it as malware. In last 20 years that I have had TS installed on my server and client, have I had it act like malware. Discord in the other hand has instantly caused issues. Not saying that TS3 doesn’t have had bugs, ofc it has had.

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                I know that discord is doing bad shit, so yes.

                How often you read the source codes of your tool?

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                  I may not read the source code of every tool I use, but even if the average user doesn’t read the source code, having it available for inspection by others in the community increases security, trust, and overall software quality. All a user really has to do is look at the license of the software they use, typically a GPL or similar license, and consider how reputable it is. Not only that, but if you’re on Linux already, you can just get most of the software from your distro’s repositories.

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        Huge RAM usage, wierd crashes, causes random lag in games, constant enshittification on-going. No thanks.

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        Tricks you into believing discord is composed of “servers” when it is in fact all centralized under discord’s direct control. Tricks you into believing private messages are private when they are in fact not encrypted at all. Discord’s business itself is shady

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          Lol wut, they never claimed servers were independently controlled. Maybe you just didn’t look into what you were signing up for.

          When you go use different servers on Minecraft realms are you under any impression those are not controlled by Microsoft?

          When you choose a different server on World of Warcraft do you think it’s a non-blizzard server?..

          Like just because you put yourself into a state of bad false assumptions didn’t mean they tried to trick you. People have been saying this about discord from the beginning you just never cared to look.

          Did you actually think this or are you just inventing a person in your mind that this has happened to? Lol

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          They’re called direct messages, not private messages. They’re not tricking anyone into thinking anything lmao

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            No, but the entire point of renaming Private Messages to Direct Messages was exclusively so people would have the mindset you do.

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              Umm… People have been using the phrase “Direct message (DM) me” since forever in the game and online comms world. Private message wasn’t a concept until after DMs were later encrypted. And we always knew, that if we didn’t control the servers, even encrypted, those messages were subject the server operators.

              Your logic is giving me the impression that you’re younger and didn’t go through these experiences.

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                No, the term PM has been around before DM was the norm. Forums generally used the term PM. Ironically, not remembering PMs being the term prior to DM is making me think you’re younger for not remembering it.

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                  You’re right. Had to dig into my memory for this one and fact check myself.

                  IRC, BBS, and most forums (of the era) used PM or SP. MUCKs and a few other tools used Whisper. ICQ introduced “IM me”. Part of me remebers using the term “DM” for IRC messages, but I used IRC fairly regularly well into the 2010s.

                  However, the forum I spent a ton of my younger years on used “Direct Messages” which has likely polluted my memory. Since it was a technology related forum, that was probabaly a customization from the operator to distance everyone from the idea of “private” since everything was clear-text and unencrypted back then. That or I’m confusing “IM me” from the ICQ/AIM/MSN days.

                  Point being, nobody thought “PM” meant secure and not visible to the server operators back then. It just meant that only you, the recipient, server operators, and 1337 h4xx0rz could see your messages.

                  What a trip down edited memory lane that was. Thanks for fact checking me.

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                Actually I am not younger, DM’s had always been Private Messages to me up until Facebook/MySpace and more people began flocking to the internet.

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              I have never been under the impression PMs were unreadable by the people operating the service I send them on.

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            They’re called servers in the UI though. Also, confusingly, there is a new feature coming called guilds.

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    The real question is: How in the world did Ventrillo continue to exist after TeamSpeak came along?

    Vent was an object lesson in hostile UX. It sounded like shit, changing any kind of setting (even basic things like individual volumes) was a a gymnastics routine, and mics constantly clipped despite settings.

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    Oh, I still use Teamspeak! It’s very nice for small groups up to 32 people (after that one has to use the paid tiers). I do not use X though.

    Maybe I’ll give Mumble a shot, so I can integrate it with Matrix/Synapse/Element.

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    Me, the mystery dude in the game server who doesn’t have a mic, doesn’t use any voice features, never text chats, but always shows up and plays.

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      Ironic that traditionally Nitro makes things happen faster, probably in this case as well

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        What do you mean? Genuine question, I’m loosely familiar with the the issues with Discord having it’s growing issues with data and advertising but I assumed Nitro was the worst element.

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          The joke in my brain was that Nitro is fast tracking the enshittification of discord

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      Discord enshittification is well under way, just this week I have started seeing ads in the client just above the voice channel status in the bottom left. Cancelled my Nitro immediately, no point if they are going to shove ads in my face anyway.

      Currently looking at alternatives, Revolt looks promising, and can be self hosted.

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        Bullshit. Pics or it didn’t happen. You might have seen a quest, where if you stream a specific game to your friends you get a free in-game item, but these are not advertisements.

        Additionally, you can click on it and tell it to never show you any more quests.

        Either that or you’re bitching about discord telling you that it has added more voice channel mini games.

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          You might have seen a quest, where if you stream a specific game to your friends you get a free in-game item, but these are not advertisements.

          Advertising is the practice and techniques employed to bring attention to a product or service. Advertising aims to put a product or service in the spotlight in hopes of drawing it attention from consumers

          I have no interest in streaming “quested” games, and whatever deal Discord has done with the developer to encourage users to engage with such games (and by extension the game’s microtransaction economy), and regardless of what they call it, is by definition an advertisement. If you can’t see that, then you are an ad campaign exec’s wet dream. Either that, or a troll.

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        Isn’t mumble hot garbage? My planet side outfit memes on it whenever it gets brought up.

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          Mumble is like a reliable Toyota Corolla. You will turn no heads, but it has all the features you would need for the task (encryption, room hierachies, ACL, machine-learning-enhanced noise canceling, positional audio, choice of method input like push-to-talk, mini UI overlay atop games), and does them efficiently.

          …And like a Toyota Corolla, there’s probably a decent upgrade out there, but you might be compromising on more than you think. Want a car without the manufacturer tracking you or bloated, touch-screen navigation? Many ‘modern’ VoIP options, especially proprietary ones, are literally doing the latter.

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    Still hosting TS as the primary place my friends record things because of the audio quality and especially reliability compared to Discord, but not so much for hangouts anymore. Got Mumble in the back pocket in case the licensing goes to crap though

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    We use it for additional comms in foxhole, can’t be in multiple channels at once and we’ve got about 8 groups that need to communicate between each other

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      You can easily do that with some extra key bindings and channel commanders/whisper groups