Once Discord embraces enshittification, we will meet again. :)
Mumble better
Discord enshittification is well under way, just this week I have started seeing ads in the client just above the voice channel status in the bottom left. Cancelled my Nitro immediately, no point if they are going to shove ads in my face anyway.
Currently looking at alternatives, Revolt looks promising, and can be self hosted.
[Matrix] is the most promising option right noe, having an ecosystem and eee
Bullshit. Pics or it didn’t happen. You might have seen a quest, where if you stream a specific game to your friends you get a free in-game item, but these are not advertisements.
Additionally, you can click on it and tell it to never show you any more quests.
Either that or you’re bitching about discord telling you that it has added more voice channel mini games.
You might have seen a quest, where if you stream a specific game to your friends you get a free in-game item, but these are not advertisements.
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Advertising is the practice and techniques employed to bring attention to a product or service. Advertising aims to put a product or service in the spotlight in hopes of drawing it attention from consumers
I have no interest in streaming “quested” games, and whatever deal Discord has done with the developer to encourage users to engage with such games (and by extension the game’s microtransaction economy), and regardless of what they call it, is by definition an advertisement. If you can’t see that, then you are an ad campaign exec’s wet dream. Either that, or a troll.
No need when you have free software Mumble + Murmur :)
Isn’t mumble hot garbage? My planet side outfit memes on it whenever it gets brought up.
Mumble is like a reliable Toyota Corolla. You will turn no heads, but it has all the features you would need for the task (encryption, room hierachies, ACL, machine-learning-enhanced noise canceling, positional audio, choice of method input like push-to-talk, mini UI overlay atop games), and does them efficiently.
…And like a Toyota Corolla, there’s probably a decent upgrade out there, but you might be compromising on more than you think. Want a car without the manufacturer tracking you or bloated, touch-screen navigation? Many ‘modern’ VoIP options, especially proprietary ones, are literally doing the latter.
Ironic that traditionally Nitro makes things happen faster, probably in this case as well
What do you mean? Genuine question, I’m loosely familiar with the the issues with Discord having it’s growing issues with data and advertising but I assumed Nitro was the worst element.
The joke in my brain was that Nitro is fast tracking the enshittification of discord
I enjoy teamspeak solely for Arma 3 ARCE and TFAR
I used TS for the first time in like 15 years litterally two days ago, funny timing.
Yeah, I lost EVE. Again.
I still self host my TS3 for my nerd herd, and as an EvE online player (currently trying to win, but thats hard), you have to be fluent in all voip solutions as they all have different requirments and say a lot about your group.
Discord - small group, utilizing free services, may have an auth tool, used to keep in contact with people from old groups. Remember kids, if the product is free, you are the product
TS3 - mid-sized group (100-1000 players) requires a real IT team, will have an authentication system and generally will have their shit together. Ease of set up is handy, but admin user accounts can break servers.
Mumble - Welcome to the big leagues. (1K+ players) The resources you require now require resources in meat-space and are rather substantial. You need real IT security and people on a payroll. It will drive your admins nuts for about a week setting everything up, but once its done, you wont have to touch it again.
Ventrilo - old school WoW player…
How would mumble take a week to spin up?
Serious EVE players are something else. The mention about IT security isn’t a hyperbole, some EVE players take the espionage meta-game very seriously, and even though it’s not only against the rules but also illegal, that’s not gonna stop them. I mean, once they literally got someone to turn off electricity for a whole town just so they can win a fight (I tried to find a link to the article, because I’m 90% sure I did read about it somewhere, but I can’t manage to find it anywhere, if anyone has a link. Maybe it was just a rummor, or an unexecuted plan?)
There is a difference between having it turn on and hardening it against DDOS attacks while haveing 500 nerds try to use it as coms for massive videogame fights (this has happened, its against the games rules, but it has happened). If you can do that in a day, please empart your wisdom.
Multiplay.co.uk stopped offering servers, and Discord was all new, bright and shiny so we switched to Disc. Was sad to see it go tbh
It seems many don’t remember why there was a ts2 mass extinction. It was because of the horrendous ts3 licensing.
Why the masses went to yet another closed system like discord I’ll never understand while being very satisfied with mumble/murmur.
The absolute largest group of players in any game stuck with Mumble. That would be The Goonswarm Federation in EvE Online. We have just over 25,000 people, and well over 100,000 characters in the Alliance. In fact, AFAIK, all of the major alliances have to use Mumble because it allows more than 100 people in a room
Revolt should be next in the cycle
Don’t you have to host Mumble somewhere? With Discord anyone can create a server and invite friends for free with no technical knowledge required. That’s a huge plus. I also remember RadCall was a thing for a while, at least where I am from.
Yes, you need to run the service somewhere. But anyone can do so (Foss).
With discord my experience is limited but I currently understand it’s a service model so you’re dependant on a company, which can pull the same sh*t teamspeak did at any time.
Not needing any technical knowledge just means someone else is running it, possibly being able to lock you in. And in the case of discord, you already are locked in and have to accept whatever they think up.
At some point, monetization will take over.
I don’t think that people are trying to find an eternal solution. Nothing lasts forever. When Discord turns to shit, something else will take its place. There is no need to worry about that when it offers too many advantages today.
Fair point, but if you need to switch anyway you might want to pick an available option that solves at least the issue being currently faced.
The again, we’ve moved back a lot to throw away mentality.
My friends and I still use TS3. The audio quality and voice activation is better than Discord’s, and the desktop app doesn’t take ten fucking gigabytes of RAM to run.
Good to hear ts3 is still rockin.
If you use discord, access with a web browser. No need to ever download discord the app
Nah bro that’s just the memory leaks, your supposed to force close and reopen it every so often so the OS cleans up after their shitty application
Memory is cheap nowadays, so that’s a feature /s
I bought the whole RAM, I’m gonna use the whole RAM
Used teamspeak untill me and my crew switched to mumble. They all use discord now though so fuck the traitors.
Only a matter of time before Discord does a Reddit.
Been on mumble over a decade, I can’t imagine why anyone would want to use discord. Although there’s something fishy about mumble.com
Ventrilo was the shit back then.
"Get off vent or get bent "
Blow it out your ass
Past memory unlocked.
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Still hosting TS as the primary place my friends record things because of the audio quality and especially reliability compared to Discord, but not so much for hangouts anymore. Got Mumble in the back pocket in case the licensing goes to crap though
Me, the mystery dude in the game server who doesn’t have a mic, doesn’t use any voice features, never text chats, but always shows up and plays.
Omg… he finally speaks
I’m absolutely still using teamspeak. Nice and light, and it let’s us run a soundboard plugin that let’s you have unlimited length audio clips. I just wish they’d update the plugin to support the 64-bit version.
Mumble is super popular with EVE Online players still, no? Because of the support for a large number of users in a single room
I remember moving to mumble from teams peak because it allowed pretty cool levels of configuration.
Back in the late 00s and early 00s I was doing world of warcraft raiding. I had the server setup to have one key for main raid and another to talk to only officers. Quite useful especially in bigger raids.
Also as I recall for any remotely large ts server you needed to pay. The self hosted one was always gimped. Mumble you could self host with no limits.
teams peak real
twins peak
Yep, Mumble is the most common, and there are still a couple groups that use Teamspeak.
Discord caps at 100 people in a call while I’ve seen good Mumble servers handle over 800.
For a group our size (we regularly have over 800 people on our mumble, peak is somewhere around the 1.3k mark if I remember correctly), it would also be very cost prohibitive to use TS
Also supports positional audio which was very cool wheb first introduced for voip
Can confirm. Goonswarm still needs Mumble because we have thousands of players that need to listen to the weekly fireside.
people will come back if the bloat/ad-trend of discord continues… hopefully?
nah I’ll just continue to mod my client until the death of it. If discord ever decides to ban mods, then most likely yeah I’ll move. Default discord is so fucking bloated and unusable.
Are there modded clients for mobile?
Yes. Aliucord is stuck in the past BUT is running the NATIVE version of the app (not the shitty slow electron one).
Vendetta Manager, discontinued but there is a fork that works. Up to date with discord.
Didnt know discord could be modded. Do you have any privacy enhancing mods you’d recommend?
✋ paying for discord nitro
👉👉 paying your favorite client mod dev
Shit, there are discord mods? Is there a list somewhere of popular mods/what do you recommend?
vencord, hands down best modding client for the job. Just browse their catalog of avalabile plugins and get yourself a better experience ;D
Shit, that’s a real post. The whole account is just talking about how nobody uses TeamSpeak anymore.
That’s a pretty sweet paid gig for someone who does professional PR.
Very pathetic in any other scenario though.
