The administration of lemmy.ml routinely abuses its rule 1 anti-bigotry policy to conduct political censorship, deleting documented facts regarding the ukraine invasion, holodomor, and xinjiang abuses under false pretexts of imperialist propaganda, misinformation, and nazism while leaving pro-Kremlin talking points untouched.
Verifiable public moderation logs prove this systemic shielding of state propaganda, down to moderators inverting standard geopolitical context, such as noting that fringe extremist units do not make an entire democratic nation fascist, to ban dissenters under the explicit excuse of being a Nazi.
https://lemmy.ml/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=25800386 and https://lemmy.world/modlog/446?page=1&actionType=All&userId=20355358.
The Europe community moderator (https://lemmy.world/u/geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml), who focuses exclusively on criticizing the West and never Russia or China, banned me as a Nazi.
I decided to block the lemmy.ml instance entirely to avoid any further interaction.
I see that there are dozens of relevant posts; you can find the relevant report posts here
- https://lemmy.world/post/16211417
- https://lemmy.world/post/5697017
- https://lemmy.world/post/50302822
- https://lemmy.world/post/13238608
- https://lemmy.world/post/43978041
Log screenshots
The comments in this post are turning nasty and I’ve already banned two users for their behavior. Locked.
Yeah. If you’re not familiar with !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works, they have people submitting posts pretty similar to yours for lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml there.
Thanks, I will check
Sure. There’s also !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com, but that’s more-generalized to discussion over whether-or-not something is mod or admin abuse of power, and doesn’t deal specifically with those instances.
I’d stay away from that shithole. The mods/admins there are incredibly biased and protect known trolls from being called out.
uh, fyi, the mod from PTB bans people for saying ‘vote’. he lets deluded ML people talk shit about how fucked up the US is, then when you reply “well fucking vote” they call you electoralists and ban you.
no where in the rules, just banned. ironic, I’d normally report such behavior to power trippin bastards but lol
Yeah. That entire instance has gone to shit. I have them blocked as well. They’re essentially a .ml wannabe instance.
Yep. I highly suggest anyone with a beef against these wannabe-communist douchebags post your stories there.
can someone explain why the .ml people hate piefed so much?
Stated answer: bc it is “opinionated”.
This is actually true - it already has been and is getting more strongly biased against “social media” type of content (as opposed to more serious, less emotional discussions) all the time. e.g. lately it will reject additional votes beyond a daily quota, which is applied even to people on Lemmy (or Mbin, Friendica, nodeBB, Mastodon, etc.) - for the stated reason that votes are not meant to make people feel good and instead that somehow is indicative of “vote manipulation”, when you, you know, upvote content that you would like to see more of.
The trick though is that it doesn’t bother telling people this, in anything remotely resembling a transparent manner, so it is a type of shadow-censoring people’s offered contributions. Also, this anti-feature, forced over the objections of most people in the community, is enabled by default, and was barely announced, leading multiple instance admins to express surprise at the new behavior of their machines after the relevant update. Several migrations of people and entire communities to PieFed were cancelled as a result.
Real answer: tribal Lemmy love somehow must imply hatred of any “competition”.
People made a bunch of shit up, it got disproven, but nobody seemed to relent and people still spread the disinformation about it. Like saying that things were “hard-coded”, when not only was that not the case, but (unlike the shadow-censoring mentioned above) they were even opt-in, i.e. disabled by default.
There are several valid reasons to prefer Lemmy over PieFed - like a more polished UI, and a superb search functionality, or just being too lazy to move once already established. But some people like to create drama, it would seem, and don’t care whether their battle cries are based on actual facts or not.
tyvm for the insight.
what a strange world we live in.
What we need is co-directional migration between Lemmy and PieFed. I need this for my instance, but having it for users is an important first step.
In practice, software is simply software, and it matters far more who your instance admins are than which software platform you use. All the more so if you use something like Voyager that replaces the front-end UI component.
And I didn’t get into it above, but Lemmy is quite opinionated as well. For instance, when you choose the option to so-called “block” an instance, what that does for you is:
- hide post content offered to communities located on that instance
However what that so-called “block” does not do for you includes:
- hide post content offered by users of that instance to communities on other instances
- hide comments from those users in other communities
- prevent such “blocked” users from sending you DMs
- which are even allowed to trigger notifications
Thus this so-called “block” of an instance is nothing at all like a block, and acts more as a community muting.
Also, when a mod removes content it makes it disappear as if the page never existed, giving a 404 not found error afterwards (Reddit leaves the page active to anyone with the URL, even allowing conversations that were already started to continue).
Users are never notified of the event - leaving people to find out literally years later that they were banned from something, or that their content was removed, when in all that time they were not aware (Reddit sends notifications).
There is no modmail for users to contact the mods to ask for clarification - instead, Lemmy forces people to individually ask each of the mods why, e.g. via DM (Reddit has a modmail).
Even when someone goes looking in the modlog to find out why their content was removed, it often says that it was done simply by a “mod”.
Instance admins have supreme rights, community mods have a bit less so, but end-users have next to none at all. Even Reddit offers more rights to end-users than Lemmy does!!! Authoritarian practices are baked right into the Lemmy codebase.
We do need migration though.
And btw you start by saying “software is software” and then go on giving examples why it’s is not that simple.
PieFed provided the ability to migrate from Lemmy to PieFed, so if the Lemmy devs want to provide for the ability to migrate from PieFed to Lemmy then that is up to them to make that happen. Ofc anyone could contribute the code and submit a PR offering it.
Sublinks was going to do similarly, but the project got massively postponed when the primary dev had a baby.
I think it’s common knowledge at this point that it’s a deranged commie instance
They aren’t truly communists. They are leftist MAGA. Russia, China, and North Korea are nowhere close to either communist or socialist.
Correct about the deranged part tho - no notes there.
they are mirror-image conservatives, they use the same buzz words, talk the same language.
And the same argumentation tactics - sea lioning, didoing, whataboutism, deflection, personal attacks rather than vs. the subject material, etc.
Nobody says the Russian Federation is socialist any longer, but the large majority of communists do agree that the DPRK, Cuba, China, Vietnam, and Laos are socialist, because they are all run by the working class with social ownership as the principal aspect of their economies. Cuba is often seen as an example of “socialism done right,” and they share this same exact sentiment towards the DPRK, PRC, Vietnam, and Laos. Are the Cubans not “true communists” either? Who on Earth does qualify?
accidental trvke
You must be new around here. This is old news and a reason a lot of places block ml
It’s important to document their behavior anyway, because not al places block ml.
Im glad youre taking the steps to enjoy lemmy your way. Take care stranger.
I knew that lemmy.ml is tankies, but removing comments/posts that don’t serve their agenda is new to me.
What part of “tankies” do you not understand?
In large part that is what the word “tankie” means - denial of reality, instead substituting their own, which can only be done inside of a controlled echo chamber. Tankie is no way is synonymous with Communist.
Think MAGA but on the left - it’s otherwise identical in terms of behaviors, merely different talking points.
You may find this illustrative:
You may find this illustrative:
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Whatever the fuck tankies are --------● doing / / \ \ ●----●Center●----● Far Far Left™ RightImages barely working, ascii art, threaded structure, federation…
close enough, welcome back usenet.
Thanks. I still have no idea what I’m looking at though. A left-right scale of some kind - is it just randomly drawn lines in the classic political compass?
It is labeled “stethoscope theory” and the image is just regular horseshoe theory, but with “far left” replaced by Tankies and moved to its own special branch that continues off to the left instead of circling back around.
Thank you! That at least gave me enough context to find this image (let’s see if it works)
i first heard the word tankie on reddit, but usually it refers to tankie of thier location(city,county,etc) on lemmy its the “ultra-left”
Tankeis are not leftists.
They are not really leftist. They call themselves that, but they support the authoritarian oligarchy of Russia. That’s not what a leftist would do. They are anti-western and pro-authoritarian, and that’s about it.
I never paid attention to the word until I came to Kbin and subsequently Lemmy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie says:
Tankie originated in the UK as a term for hardline members of the Communist Party of Great Britain (CPGB) who continued to pledge support for the Soviet Union even when doubts had begun to emerge elsewhere in the party.
… Politically speaking, tankies regard past and current socialist systems as legitimate attempts at creating communism, and thus have not distanced themselves from Stalin, China, etc.
Practically speaking, tankies are pro-fascist and pro-genocide, plus individual (literal) murders, so long as it is done by their favored in-groups (e.g. Russian aggression vs. Ukraine portrayed instead as poor whittle russia forced to defend itself, whoopsie), and opposed to anything (even outright socialism) when done by their opposed out-groups - chiefly Western Civilization.
So their cries of “Death to the USA” are meant literally, and also inclusive of other NATO states.
Source: go visit Lemmy.ml, which unlike most other instances by default without being logged in shows only Local rather than Global content, and see for yourself, it should only take a couple of minutes to find such evidence. Or possibly better yet lemmygrad.ml, except that most instances actually defederate from that one whereas almost none defederate from Lemmy.ml.
It’s pro-authoritarian. That means this control is not really a contradiction. They say they’re leftist, but I think it’d be hard to actually justify that based on the groups they support. Russia isn’t leftist. The USSR may have been, but it’s long gone. Russia is anti-LGBT+ and doesn’t protect workers. It’s an oligarchy.
There are only two consistent things they follow. They’re pro-authoritarian and anti-west.
they have been doing that, maybe you dont visit thier posts often. hexbear, lemmygrad, and ml are all super tankies. others ones you may want to avoid is dbzero, or equivalent, startrek website comm, and some of blahj ones.
LOL, startrek.website? IIRC the whole hubbub about them was that they defederated from dbzer0 in the first place.
A lot of instances are curated, they’re the supreme mods after all. Some delay your posts until they can curate them, and some just remove them. It’s the way it be.
This isn’t said and understood enough. Instances on the Fediverse aren’t free-for-all, apolitical places without ideology. Some try to be (with varying success) but being active in the Fediverse and especially running an instance is in itself a fairly ideological and political act. So chances are instances reflect their owners’ ideology. And that is great because one has places to be if an instance doesn’t suit them, unlike corpo platdorms where one ideology drives most of them.
The only thing that bugs me about it is that the largest instances can control what most people see.
True. It’s definitely not a perfect, problem-solved thing. Merely an (significant?) improvement from the corporate status quo.
The great thing about lemmy’s design is that that’s not really true. I’m seeing this criticism of .ml despite being on .ml, because most of the posts that I see on lemmy are not on my home instance. At least half the time, I’m having discussions outside of my “home turf.”
When you have a space that agrees on certain base assumptions, it becomes easier to have more in depth and thoughtful discussions, because you don’t have to focus on just proving or advocating for those basic assumptions over and over again, and watching every word you say to make sure it can’t be twisted or misinterpreted to paint you in a negative light. By contrast, sharing a space with ideological opponents often means people tend to dig in and just make snipes at each other, everybody’s just grandstanding and trying to get owns in, and the level of discussion is brought down to name-calling and accusations.
At the same time, yes, echo chambers are a concern. If you’re never exposed to opposing viewpoints, obviously that’s not great either. We can see that happen on any number of subreddits. And if we were on different subreddits instead of on different instances, I wouldn’t be seeing this criticism, and you wouldn’t be seeing my response to it.
The way the fediverse is designed inherently addresses both of those concerns. You can have a space where the discussions assume a shared ideology allowing for in depth discussions, but then you’re also federated with other spaces with different shared assumptions. The “tankie” creators of lemmy designed it this way on purpose, for that reason. To allow minority views (including but not limited to their own) to have spaces for discussion, without becoming isolated. To allow for higher level discussions with shared assumptions while also allowing for interactions between groups with different assumptions.
This is why all this hand-wringing over .ml’s censorship is kind of silly. Because people on .ml are constantly seeing content from other instances with completely different policies, and that is not in spite of what the .ml’s admins want, they literally designed it that way on purpose.
The only censorship that really matters on the fediverse is defederation.
Why are you writing tankie in quotes?
Because I disagree with the term. The admins are not “tankies,” they are Marxist-Leninists.
What makes someone a “tankie” is that they “defend” certain states. In practice, “defending” often includes just refuting misinformation, for example, if I refute that “everyone in North Korea gets the same haircut” then I’m “defending” it and therefore a “tankie.” It can also mean acknowledging accomplishments, saying any good thing about any socialist state, like, “Cuba had a very successful literacy program,” which is just an objective historical fact. “Tankie” is supposed to mean someone who blindly supports everything a socialist state has ever done, in practice, it means someone who supports anything a socialist state has ever done.
Before it was “tankie” it was “pinko,” and before that “red.” That kind of red scare bullshit has allowed blatant misinformation to run rampant, because even rational people avoid pushing back on it for fear of being labelled a “tankie.” As stories about how all communists eat babies or whatnot run rampant, it has in turn hurt the reputation of both leftists and liberals, because it literally doesn’t matter how hard you try to distance yourself from the far-left, you’ll still get associated with it. Joe Biden got called a communist for Christ’s sake. To put it another way:
Purging the Left of communists became a longstanding practice, having injurious effects on various progressive causes. For instance, in 1949 some twelve unions were ousted from the CIO because they had Reds in their leadership. The purge reduced CIO membership by some 1.7 million and seriously weakened its recruitment drives and political clout. In the late 1940s, to avoid being “smeared” as Reds, Americans for Democratic Action (ADA), a supposedly progressive group, became one of the most vocally anticommunist organizations.
The strategy did not work. ADA and others on the Left were still attacked for being communist or soft on communism by those on the Right. Then and now, many on the Left have failed to realize that those who fight for social change on behalf of the less-privileged elements of society will be Red-baited by conservative elites whether they are communists or not. For ruling interests, it makes little difference whether their wealth and power is challenged by “communist subversives” or “loyal American liberals.” All are lumped together as more or less equally abhorrent.
- Michael Parenti, Blackshirts and Reds
That is why I put “tankie” in quotes.
and those other instances can also moderate and delete comments and posts for all other instances unless archived or crossposted. If a lemmy.world mod deletes a comment in a lemmy.world post, I won’t be able to see it from over here in db0
Tbf this is true for all instances - it is simply how the ActivityPub Protocol works. The home instance “owns” the content, so if e.g. a Lemmy.world user submits a post to a community on Lemmy.ml, then other LW users won’t be able to see it if it gets removed, but the same is true vice versa if a ML user submits a post to a community located on LW.
This is why all this hand-wringing over .ml’s censorship is kind of silly. Because people on .ml are constantly seeing content from other instances with completely different policies
Literally nobody has ever claimed that users on Lemmy.ml are not allowed to see content on other instances - this is not merely a strawman argument but an absolutely ridiculous one.
Please don’t bother to reply to this if this is the level of content that your messages will contain.
For anyone else that is curious, the complaint is about the lack of transparency in describing what content is vs. is not allowed - a community of people discussing FOSS comes nowhere close to mentioning that you are not allowed to come close to criticizing Russia, China, or North Korea - e.g. it is not allowed to state that Ukraine is not the aggressor and that rather Russia is, or to state that Uyghurs are being killed by China.
I really really really really really really really really wish that Lemmy would implement a true instance block so that I did not have to spend time reading such comments as this. But for some reason that option is denied to me. Go figure.
It’s not really a strawman in that I never claimed anyone said it. It’s just that people talk about “censorship” and “echo chambers” and “they have to remove things to keep their users brainwashed” or whatever nonsense, ignoring the fact that the structure of the fediverse, as designed by the .ml admins, makes that more or less impossible.
For anyone else that is curious, the complaint is about the lack of transparency in describing what content is vs. is not allowed
OK, fair enough, they could afford to clarify the rules somewhat. But I don’t really consider that a huge deal. I’ve been banned from communities on .world for things that aren’t enumerated in the rules too. I don’t see why rules have to cover every possible thing.
This. Just imagine if all of Lemmy was like one instance or another. The whole point of the fediverse is that there can be multiple instances, and you can just gravitate towards the ones that align with your own views.
Except it would be nice if the instances were honest about their rules, or at least that they would be described somewhere written down, rather than people having to continually find out the hard way (such as OP).
One of my first experiences in the Fediverse was mentioning the Uyghur genocide and having my comment promptly removed by the .ml admins. They’ve been doing this all the time.
imagine you mentioned the tianamin massacre, it would get thier panties in a wad.
When I first got on here I waded into a thread praising north korea and got so many downvotes for not knowing how awesome the Kim regime is. Fucking tankies man
It’s a rite of passage here 😁
You might be thinking of lemmygrad?
They’ve always done this. “Rule 1” Is pretty much a .ml meme catch all for “you aren’t allowed to use facts here. Agree or be removed”
Obviously.
Replicate absolute power among admins and their moderators and expect abuses of power. This is inherent to the design of Reddit, and since Lemmy copied much from Reddit this aspect of its design has been replicated here.
ha, duh?
I am seeing your comment from the future??i dont have that kinda of energy at my disposal.
i suspect some kind of localized timezone conversion failure.
Funny, I just had a thread going about the same thing happening in the “LateStageCapitalism” instance……
u/godlesscommie, where are you? Gonna come onto this thread to bitch and moan as well?
So you went into a community, you made a bunch of posts that are literally against the rules of the community and frankly the tone of the posts are antithetical to the point of the community. It’s called late stage capitalism. What did you think they thought?
This is straight up troll Behavior. I would have banned you too.
A bunch of posts? I wrote a conversation provoking comment that was upvoted far more than downvoted, and spurred other comments.
it was removed because the mod has an anti-democratic agenda that they can’t defend. Instead they just remove comments and ban people. It’s shitty behavior by a shitty mod, and deserves to be called out. I’ve seen 2 other threads talking about this exact behavior.
Thought-provoking comment, my goodness. Isn’t there a cookie you’re supposed to be beating off onto somewhere.
Your comments were directly and obviously against the rules of the community. You went there to troll. I don’t know why you’re lying about it.
I mean these people are incredibly stupid but I probably also would’ve given a temp ban (but I also probably would’ve banned the people saying “both sides!!!”). That community is there to moan about capitalism’s failings, and your posts didn’t really fit there. It’s like going into a support group for women and saying men also have these problems, even if you’re right these people feel like they’ve been failed by the system so you have to take a softer tone.
His reasoning for deleting my comment was “democrats are fascists.”
During a literal republican fascist regime.
There isn’t a tone soft enough to deal with lunacy.
This literally just happened to me in the memes instance of .ml
Being banned by those shit-heels is a badge of honor and intelligence. Congrats!
this is like the 100th fork in this kitchen
Defederate lemmy.ml
Why do you need the admin of your server to manage your block list for you? Perhaps youre unsure of how to take personal responsibility of your own lemmy account. Dont worry stranger, I got your back.
Welcome to a tutorial on how to block .ml on your personal account.
In the top right corner of the top of the page, there are 3 horizontal white bars. Click it.
This will open up a drop down menu. At the bottom of that menu, you will see your username. Click it.
This will open another drop down menu with 3 options. Click “Settings”.
At the top of your screen you will see 2 tabs. Click the one that says “Blocks”.
Here you will see “Block user” “Block community” and “Block instance”. Click the down arrow below “Block instance”.
This will open up a search bar. Type “lemmy.ml” and click it after it shows up. That’s it! You’ve blocked .ml and will never see content from the instance.
But wait, we aren’t done yet in this menu. Click the down arrow under “Block user”. Now type “UltraGiGaGigantic” Make sure you select my .ml account as the other ones I no longer use. Thanks, appreciate it.
I had one .ml mod delete a comment of mine because I listed events that disagreed with them minimizing the horrors of 1986 republicans. They stated your average '86 republican was further left than 2026 average dem. So I blocked that mod and that channel.
So I guess .ml are apologists for the '86 gop now?
Tankies: we’re leftists!
Also tankies: Reagan wasn’t that bad
Anything’s possible when you make shit up
Y’all really need to come to terms with the fact that tankies are just conservatives larping.
You arent really a lemming until you’ve told Cowbee to go fuck himself.
And you people wonder why you get banned.
Telling on yourself loudly
Stay salty, libs
Get in everyone, the daily feudpost is here!
I mean. You can also just go to their front page and read the “about this instance” paragraph where they clarify that they support a specific political ideology and will not tolerate dissent.
They explicitly built a walled garden. Don’t be surprised they maintain the walls. There are other instances.
Not only that but they explicitly said years ago that they WANTED someone to go make a liberal instance for liberals to use and do their own thing. Which is what happened. Yet people continue to throw a fit that .ml maintains its policies. The entire point of lemmy is that you can choose the instance that works best for you! The entire reason many of the original people came to lemmy was that reddit banned Marxist-Leninist (what you would call “tankie”) communities. And even many just vaguely leftist spaces. So people made their own thing where no one person controls what is allowed and what isn’t. That’s what federation is all about. If you don’t like that there are instances that disagree with you on a fundamental level and ban you for your opinions then you don’t actually understand what the point of federation is to begin with. I mean ML is in the name. What did you expect?
(edit to clarify I’m asking the OP not the commenter I am agreeing with the commenter.)
Recently there seems to be some of misunderstanding what the lemmy.ml instance is about, especially from newer users.
Lemmy.ml has always been a niche site, and it will most likely stay this way. We don’t have any intentions to turn it into a mainstream instance, or set a goal of getting as many users as possible. Our goal is simple: make an instance that people like to use. I would say that we have been successful in this, but obviously it is impossible to satisfy everyone.
The reason for this is that @dessalines and I are paid to develop Lemmy, while donations from lemmy.ml users only make up a negligible part of our income. Besides, having more users would force us to spend more time moderating, and less time for development. Lemmy works quite differently from big tech sites like Reddit in this regard: while they get more money with each extra user through advertising, for us it is the opposite. So we would much rather have a smaller, non-toxic, and friendly userbase, than a large one.
Part of the problem might be that lemmy.ml is described as “flagship instance”, which can certainly be interpreted to mean “mainstream” or “general purpose”. I struggle to come up with a better, more accurate description. If you can think of one, please comment here.
If you dont like the way lemmy.ml works, thats okay. Federation exists exactly to solve that problem, let different groups have their own instances, with their own rules and political views. You can see the list of existing instances, and instructions for setting up a new one on join-lemmy.org.
In particular, I would like to see someone (or a group of people) create a mainstream, or liberal instance. That should help to avoid further drama, and avoid attempts to turn lemmy.ml into something that it is not. @dessalines and I would certainly be willing to help with any technical problems that such an instance runs into, and include it on join-lemmy.org (just like any other instance that meets the code of conduct).
The problem is that it’s the developers’ instance and they promote it as a default general use instance and not a explicit political ideological instance so it has a significant portion of people just trying to join the network.
I would recommend someone looking to join the threadiverse to use piefed over Lemmy for that reason (of course piefed has its own problematic “features” with regards to default mute lists and transparency)
In my experience it’s not an explicit political ideological instance. I’m there all the time and never get called anything because I think this or that, except when I’m outside of ML, where I get “tankie” a lot.
Anyone who uses “tankies” unironically is a braindead basement dweller keyboard warrior who has zero critical thinking skills.
Why is it a problem? Literally every single major social media platform has an ideological slant. Twitter (X) is the nazi one, reddit is the like omega liberal vote blue no matter who one, facebook is mindless reaction, etc. If lemmy.world was considered the “default” instance I could say the same thing about it being different than my own political beliefs.
I think the problem is that people can’t handle seeing places they aren’t welcome anymore. Marxist-Leninists are allowed to have their own spaces, and do not have to cater to other peoples views. There is ALWAYS going to be a dominant ideology and a set of rules on each instance. You don’t agree with the ones lemmy.ml has. That’s okay.
Algorithmic social media silos people into their little boxes where they only see what they want to see. People are so used to that now that imo they’ve forgotten how to handle being faced with a place/group of people who just fundamentally disagree with them, and are not open to hearing what they have to say. Yet that is just reality. People need to learn to deal the fact those places and those people exist.
Supporting the heavily anti LGBTQ imperialist state of Russia is not liberal.
Neither is it liberal to claim that supporting the existence of Jews, whilst explicitly denouncing the genocide state of israel is a “zionist stance”, which geneve_convenience, the mod mentioned in this post literally verbatim did, and then banned someone over.
Supper liberal, basically stating that Jews as a people, regardless of any individuals opinion, don’t deserve to exist, just because many of them are zionist. By that logic members of every major religion, as well as every single cis white male don’t deserve the right to exist as a people.
You literally verbarim called it liberal. These are explicit, verbatim, beliefs that are demonstrably common on ml, and going against which will demonstrably get your comments nuked and you banned.
Your reply makes fuck all sense.
My reply makes plenty of sense if you know how to read. I didn’t call .ml liberal. Quite the opposite actually.
If you knew .ml, you would have known that they ain’t so solid on being labelled as liberals lmao.
I do want to thank them for vaccinating me from their ideology. Interacting with them made me realize that I’m a social democrat and not a full blown socialist
Any other self affirmations you wish to share with us?
Nah. Do you?
Not from Voyager iirc, which also iirc is by far the most used third party app? Also, for multiple years that what is Lemmy.ml link did not work - it pointed to a post, which I think a later version of Lemmy.ml allowed communities to be made private, and then they never bothered to check what would happen for anyone not logged into a ML account, so it would just give like a 404 not found error for everyone else.
Agreed that it’s not impossible to find out who they are - just that ML makes an exceedingly poor representation of the Threadiverse to people coming over here from Reddit. So when they see “death to the USA”, and they are… you know, in the USA, they often nope right out and not only never come back, they spread the word to anyone who will listen that that is what “we” here who use Lemmy are.
Btw, in case you were not aware, we are a tankie bar (see: Paradox of Intolerance).
Also, despite all the curation they perform within their garden, they won’t allow people to block the Lemmy.ml instance - so it’s not entirely a walled garden so much as it is a delivery system for the messages shared by Lemmy.ml users.
So when they see “death to the USA”, and they are… you know, in the USA, they often nope right out
I say death to america all the time and I live here
same. Honestly if I didn’t live in the US I would probably be less anti-american. Living here is very radicalizing.
I don’t live in the US and you’d bet that I’m more hostile towards your state than you, I can bet on that. If you see what your state has done from a developing country’s eyes, your mind will be broken.
I think you are underestimating me, but I’m glad you are against America. I won’t say what I think because that probably wouldn’t be such a good idea for my health. But trust me we’re on the same page.
Which one do you have a problem with? The first rule?
That is the instance’s sidebar b██h. I followed your instructions and got there.
Ah, I see my instructions were not clear. You did great with the first step!
So the second step, I now realize the link isn’t “about this instance”, but it is actually labelled “what is lemmy.ml”. You can actually see it in your screenshot, right above the rules!
I’m very sorry for the confusion, I know it can be a complicated procedure.
Aww, look at the underhanded insults 😂
Here it is. Could you enlighten me with where it says that they “support a specific political ideology and will not tolerate dissent”?
Sadly, dumb shitheads like you have no capacity to read or question anything 😢
You should toddle off now. You are clearly in over your head. Go off and play now.
Not even gonna check what this is a reply to, even if you agree with me you suck for saying this lmao
Literally calls out “western social media”
Lol stop being dense…fucking tankies man…
Learn to disagree without being rude or disrespectful.
It can be difficult sometimes, since western social media thrives on collective outrage, and they knowingly ingrain this into us for years. But please do adhere to this rule, and it will make this place much more enjoyable.
duhh, how dare these damn tankees say that western social media thrives on outrage 😤
Well, at least you can read subtext half the time. Probably explains why you read for calling everyone “shithead”.
Astonishing creativity, by the way. Simply incredible
Probably explains why you read for calling everyone “shithead”.
Yeah, you’re not beating the allegations.
still not answering the question
You were explained about a hundred times over how Western countries promoted Nazis into top roles and the USSR only used them for labor.
But instead of bringing any argument you repeatedly insulted users and .ml in the thread.
You were begging for a ban and got it. And now you whine about it here.
“after hitler our turn” was bad
get mad
mad because bad
Lol I love the lopsidedness of it all though.
Stalin allies with the Nazis and agrees to split Poland kicking off the whole shebang. Gets betrayed and goes scorched earth.
The west didn’t ask for war, avoided it, then blamed for not going scorched earth
The west didn’t ask for war
Who the fuck do you think Germany is lmfao?
Weird way to describe yourself as a moron
I hope you’re pretending to be stupid as fuck for a troll otherwise you need to let your parents know you’ve been shit posting on the internet again, lol.
Patton was right, we shouldn’t have stopped at the Elbe and should have went into Russia and torn down the USSR. The remnants is what’s attacking Ukraine…with Putin suggesting the USSR collapse was the worst geopolitical disaster of the century. Russia needed to be split up.
If the US would have been able to they would like the barbarians they are. The US barely fought in WW2 to begin with. They just swept in to take over half of Europe after the USSR defeated the Nazis at Stalingrad and the Nazis were already being pushed back.
Lol more ml bullshit. The US didn’t barely fight in the war lol
June 1941 is when the USSR flipped sides from splitting Europe with the Nazis to joining the allies. The US was already supplying material to the UK before that, and got attacked in Dec of 41. The US took on the Japanese basically by themselves, Australia would have fallen without our help. We also were the reason that the USSR survived with the lend lease program. You tankies are fucking hilarious though, try and change history to make the USSR the good guys who defeated the nazis all by themselves.
I forgot how they fought in Africa against Rommel, and in Italy and on the beaches of Normandy…and the Japanese in the Philippines…lol they fought on their own land and ended up taking over countries and west Germany… basically did what they agreed to do with the Nazis in the first place.
Don’t bother replying with your bullshit made up history, no one but you lot believe that shit.
The US ground invasion started after the Soviets won the war against Nazi Germany and the Soviets were on a push to take over all of Europe. The US swooped in from the back and claimed half the spoils of war while contributing far less.
Lend Lease was great for the US as well they could give weapons to others and have their troops die while no American troop was in danger. Sure it was a positive thing but the US didn’t do it out of the goodness of their hearts.
30 million Soviets died in WW2. Less than half a million Americans. The US contribution was nowhere near the Soviets.
I’m gonna pay this again so you can actually read it this time to make sense of why Stalin was a warmongering fuck.
Stalin saved europe from the Nazis.
Goddamn you dumbasses will huff the fuck out of your bullshit won’t you.
Soviets didn’t make it back to Poland until 44 and the US had been well into the war and fighting in Europe and Pacific theater for years.
The Soviets also lost so many because they just threw bodies at the nazis. Same shit they’re doing in Ukraine.
How many people died makes no difference on how they helped in defeating the nazis, they sided with for 2 years hoping to split up Europe with them.
Also way to leave off the final bit of the quote
"although I don’t want to see Hitler victorious under any circumstances.”
Truman saw that the USSR was just as bad as nazi Germany…but it doesn’t fit your propaganda so…keep on with that russian shill bullshit.
Can you fit in a few more insults in between your NATO propaganda?
Western Europe literally joined the Nazis. Stalin merely had a truce with them.
You also ignored all the Western truces with Hitler including by Britain.
Hahahaha no it wasn’t.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov–Ribbentrop_Pact
And for added lols; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Operation_of_the_NKVD
They had more than a truce. They had a full alliance. They planned together and the soviets completely engaged in aiding Germany with it’s assault.
It’s also likely Hitler betrayed the Russians and did what he had done because he was on fucking meth. A more level headed leader probably would’ve played the relationship different and work alongside the soviets even longer.
So to reiterate, they formed a full on alliance and focused on the cultural destruction of the Polish people. And it took Hitler on meth to betray the Russians for them to drop the relationship.
And how am I ignoring anything? It’s well known in history how the west aimed to appease Hitler and failed because it was understood how aggressive he was aiming to be and they didn’t want a second great war. It has nothing to do with the relationship between Hitler and Stalin. You’re just trying to smear blame and pull some whataboutism crap. It won’t fly.
Did Stalin offer the West to fight Hitler with him before that truce and was ignored yes or no?
Damn y’all don’t read.
Go reread that last link. Soviet Russia had already begun a covert operation against Poland. Here’s the appropriate timeline.
1937 - Stalin kills about 100,000 Polish folk living in Russia at the time. This is called the NKVD Polish Operation.
1939(April) - Stalin signals alliance with Britain and France.
1939(August) - Stalin makes his alliance with Hitler.
You people try so hard to defend this man and just don’t know history. They didn’t wanna align with Stalin because his interest wasn’t in fighting Germany or stopping Nazis. It was control and power. He wanted an excuse to push troops into Poland under the guise of fighting the growing German threat and when that didn’t instantly form, he abandoned it and went straight to the Nazis.
Stalin had no interest in avoiding war. He outright went looking for it and tried to place himself in the best position for it. His own actions of murder and deceit is why nobody wanted to work with him.
So no. He did not offer a truce to fight Hitler. He killed 100,000 polish people and then scrambled and panicked that he’d be on the wrong side of the guns when war was going to inevitably break out. Not only did he directly aim to destroy Poland exactly like Germany but he ended up working with them to do exactly that.
Smh trying to frame shit to defend your daddy. Absolutely ridiculous
Anything’s possible when you make shit up
Go swallow more of Stalin’s cock idiot.
The only factual thing here is that the red army entered formerly polish borders.
And as for evil ass polish operation nkvd it’s kinda like white genocide in south africa :v It even has it’s own Alex Jones like figure. Also what I think it’s really interesting here is that these nazi fucks gobbling taxes at the ipn couldn’t be bothered to even sum their gorillions eaten by stalin with the giant spoon correctly
check for yourself if you don’t believe me
And honestly I think it’s really fucking insulting to all the polish people killed by nazis to try to diminish their plight and sacrifice by inventing an atrocity. Polish nationalists do so since they hate polish people, you don’t care about poland so fuck off with that. Sincerely, a pole
Lol fuck you larper. I don’t care who or what the hell you are. History is history.
Last post 4 weeks ago. Then you suddenly fly into my comment down this chain and cry crocodile tears trying to represent people who lost their lives?
Yeah fuck off bozo
Last post 4 weeks ago. Then you suddenly fly into my comment
You judge person by how terminally online they are yet concept of “lurking” escapes you. Not to mention “real life”.
History is history.
What happened to history is written by the victors and other liberal catchphrases that try to frame pop history as actual history?
I assume you’re from usa, so an example of you believing word for word in narration of the polish state would be me believing word for word that at the blair mountain national guard defended the usa against UMWA and their bandits. Or more modern example would be iraq and their wmds. History is history after all…
I judge your larping by it’s larping
History is history, that’s why you get so fucking butt hurt when we teach you about it.
Typical tankies,pro-Russian propagandists. All my comments get deleted. These propagandists mix truths with false information to make it easier to spread their propaganda
Now you whine about it here.
This is how you defend your claim. I share this to raise awareness; the more people see lemmy.ml abuse, the better for public awareness.
They’re right, dumbass
Typical tankies,pro-Russian propagandists
Yes because you start off all your comments with insults and bring no arguments.
Thank you for proving my point again.
Where did I insult? do not lie and show the proof. I bring the argument but people like you deny,because it doesnt serve your agenda.
Are you saying you didn’t call people Russian propagandists and tankies before you got banned?
Yes I said, but this is not insulting! The is definition of what happening.
Oh my bad I didn’t realize yelling at every user they’re paid Russian propagandists is actually an insightful debate argument.
The authoritarian bootlicker server is doing authoritarian bootlicker things? Shocked, I say. Shocked!
