"If someone is speaking more about 'violent encampments' than they are about violent genocide of the Palestinians, they have a problem reflective of deep and dangerous biases," said one supporter.
I may just be to cynical at this point but I don’t trust that at all. It’s just a pause.
Biden has structured that block as a “Type 2” decision. It creates the illusion of standing up to Israel but it allows him to instantly and unilaterally completely reverse it as soon as public attention has shifted.
Given history, I expect that’s exactly what will happen. Once the IDF murders enough people in Rafah, they’ll be “done”. Then they can pretend that they’ve turned over a new leaf and definitely won’t do any more genocide. Biden will congratulate them and resume all the weapons shipments, including sending the stuff that’s currently being held back.
Short of restructuring this as a “Type 1” decision, there’s little reason to think this is anything beyond theatrics.
They’ve already started shooting into Rafah. That was the safe zone they told everyone to go to.
What push or shove are we waiting for? The start of the full scale invasion? The conclusion of a full scale invasion? Is there some number of civilians deaths that would be too much?
[serious] why are there so many ‘moderate’ biden stans on this site (not you, but generally)? i thought lemmy was the sort of leftist reddit alternative
Because it’s a misrepresentation of people defending Biden and leftist in general.
Just because someone defends Biden doesn’t mean they support him. There’s a lot of hyperbolic invective being directed at him. And he definitely has himself to blame for some of it. Expediting CONGRESS’S shipment of arms to Israel. And trying to stay as neutral and diplomatic as possible in the face of the horrors Israel is unleashing.
It seems suspicious how narrow the focus is on him however. With literally no one pestering their Congress critters who could actually do something about all of this. Sure we should pressure Biden to lead better. But if people actually wanted to get things done and not just virtue signal, they’d be yelling at Congress more.
And finally leftist != accelerationist. Some, like ML know their ideology isn’t an actual improvement over capitalism. That the only way they could convince people to switch to their ideology is to destroy and degrade things much like capitalists do to other countries. But plenty of us lefties think both of them are wrong and pragmatically try to work to make things better.
Biden is the face of the Democrats. He is the president of the country and the supposedly strongest leader in the world.
Of course the focus is on him. In the same way when you talk about the French government the focus is on Macron, or talking about Ukraine it is Zelensky, talking about Germany it is Scholz and talking about China it is Xi.
All of these have different levels of formal power, all of them have different political systems, but all of them are expected to lead, to organize their political power and to take responsibility for the work of their administrations.
I can’t stand biden or the dems, and I would rather have lobster’s chew on my balls than vote repub. But at the end of the day, trump would hand the keys to gaza and the west bank over to Israel and gladly sweep the blood under the welcome mat… he’d do the exact same with Ukraine and russia…so while I can’t stand the blue team, we’re going to get the world on fire if trump and repubs are elected. Anyone who thinks that trump is worth the gamble is full on delusional.
Anyone who thinks that trump is worth the gamble is full on delusional.
these Anyone are primarily the Biden administration, the DNC and the Israel supporters in the party. They’d rather want Trump to take over the country, than stand up to Israel and uphold international and US law.
I am not exactly thrilled with Biden but Trump would absolutely be far, far, far, far worse. For America, the world and definitely Palestinians. I have zero doubt about that.
They paused one weapons shipment. Still the pledge of another 26 Billion US-D in military aid stand. Still other shipments are going through. Still the US does not impose any sanctions on Israel. Just a few hours earlier they also voted against and attacked an UN vote to make Palestine an UN member. The Israeli ambassador to the UN shredded the UN Charta to show what he thinks of the UN. That is what the US is still supporting.
Don’t buy into the minimal effort they do for damage control. It is a first step and to be acknowledged as that, but if no further steps follow, then it is clear to only be a lip service.
Biden has supported the protests and only condemned breaking the law and antisemitism along with Islamophobia. Which as president, he should. Specifically he spoke out when protesters took over Hamilton Hall.
really novel stuff here. thank god we have a competent president there to say breaking the law is bad
also
We can never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was “legal” and everything the Hungarian freedom fighters did in
Hungary was “illegal.” It was “illegal” to aid and comfort a Jew in Hitler’s Germany. But I am sure that if I had lived in Germany
during that time, I would have aided and comforted my Jewish brothers even though it was illegal. If I lived in a Communist
country today where certain principles dear to the Christian faith are suppressed, I believe I would openly advocate disobeying
these anti-religious laws.
Yeah the whole point of me saying that was to lightening rod the downvotes from the op so that the comment didn’t get downvoted into oblivion (it was on its way).
Beware the white moderate. They are not your friend.
Too bad Biden and other “moderates” Dems care about as much about facts and logics as trump does.
Their donors want them to shit on protestors, so that’s what they’ll do.
Biden’s going to fuck around and let trump win because he can’t stand up to Israel.
Should he have done it sooner? Absolutely, but it is a step at least, now let’s see what happens when push comes to shove.
I may just be to cynical at this point but I don’t trust that at all. It’s just a pause.
Biden has structured that block as a “Type 2” decision. It creates the illusion of standing up to Israel but it allows him to instantly and unilaterally completely reverse it as soon as public attention has shifted.
Given history, I expect that’s exactly what will happen. Once the IDF murders enough people in Rafah, they’ll be “done”. Then they can pretend that they’ve turned over a new leaf and definitely won’t do any more genocide. Biden will congratulate them and resume all the weapons shipments, including sending the stuff that’s currently being held back.
Short of restructuring this as a “Type 1” decision, there’s little reason to think this is anything beyond theatrics.
Like I said, let’s what happens when push comes to shove
They’ve already started shooting into Rafah. That was the safe zone they told everyone to go to.
What push or shove are we waiting for? The start of the full scale invasion? The conclusion of a full scale invasion? Is there some number of civilians deaths that would be too much?
Yeah that happened after I typed that, plus let’s just tariff the fuck out of ev’s because someone else can make them cheaper
Sorry. I wasn’t paying attention to the timestamps.
Don’t feel bad it was barely 24 hours old.
Shits moving fast
[serious] why are there so many ‘moderate’ biden stans on this site (not you, but generally)? i thought lemmy was the sort of leftist reddit alternative
Because it’s a misrepresentation of people defending Biden and leftist in general.
Just because someone defends Biden doesn’t mean they support him. There’s a lot of hyperbolic invective being directed at him. And he definitely has himself to blame for some of it. Expediting CONGRESS’S shipment of arms to Israel. And trying to stay as neutral and diplomatic as possible in the face of the horrors Israel is unleashing.
It seems suspicious how narrow the focus is on him however. With literally no one pestering their Congress critters who could actually do something about all of this. Sure we should pressure Biden to lead better. But if people actually wanted to get things done and not just virtue signal, they’d be yelling at Congress more.
And finally leftist != accelerationist. Some, like ML know their ideology isn’t an actual improvement over capitalism. That the only way they could convince people to switch to their ideology is to destroy and degrade things much like capitalists do to other countries. But plenty of us lefties think both of them are wrong and pragmatically try to work to make things better.
Biden is the face of the Democrats. He is the president of the country and the supposedly strongest leader in the world.
Of course the focus is on him. In the same way when you talk about the French government the focus is on Macron, or talking about Ukraine it is Zelensky, talking about Germany it is Scholz and talking about China it is Xi.
All of these have different levels of formal power, all of them have different political systems, but all of them are expected to lead, to organize their political power and to take responsibility for the work of their administrations.
I can’t stand biden or the dems, and I would rather have lobster’s chew on my balls than vote repub. But at the end of the day, trump would hand the keys to gaza and the west bank over to Israel and gladly sweep the blood under the welcome mat… he’d do the exact same with Ukraine and russia…so while I can’t stand the blue team, we’re going to get the world on fire if trump and repubs are elected. Anyone who thinks that trump is worth the gamble is full on delusional.
these Anyone are primarily the Biden administration, the DNC and the Israel supporters in the party. They’d rather want Trump to take over the country, than stand up to Israel and uphold international and US law.
Exactly.
So please try to help me convince the DNC that Biden isnt popular enough to feel safe in the election.
Especially when he won’t stop funding a genocide.
Biden needs to stop fucking around and listen to his voters so he doesn’t pull a Hillary.
He can’t just do whatever the fuck he wants and tell voters they have to actively vote for him or trump wins
It’s literally the opposite of how to run a campaign.
The fucking convention hasn’t even happened yet, but we’ve been told for like 5 months it’s too late anyways
I am not exactly thrilled with Biden but Trump would absolutely be far, far, far, far worse. For America, the world and definitely Palestinians. I have zero doubt about that.
So why is the DNC preferring a Trump win over standing up to Israel and ending the genocide?
they, uh… don’t?
They paused one weapons shipment. Still the pledge of another 26 Billion US-D in military aid stand. Still other shipments are going through. Still the US does not impose any sanctions on Israel. Just a few hours earlier they also voted against and attacked an UN vote to make Palestine an UN member. The Israeli ambassador to the UN shredded the UN Charta to show what he thinks of the UN. That is what the US is still supporting.
Don’t buy into the minimal effort they do for damage control. It is a first step and to be acknowledged as that, but if no further steps follow, then it is clear to only be a lip service.
Biden has supported the protests and only condemned breaking the law and antisemitism along with Islamophobia. Which as president, he should. Specifically he spoke out when protesters took over Hamilton Hall.
What support did he provide to the protests?
really novel stuff here. thank god we have a competent president there to say breaking the law is bad
also
Liberals on lemmy seeing any criticism asking Biden be held accountable for decisions Biden makes:
Which definition of liberal are you using?
Did they say “liberal” and then edit it?
They didn’t edit it and it still says that…
Hah. I thought it was responding to the first comment. Yeah, they’re dumb.
Accurate post
if Biden were running against Sanders or… like, potentially anybody at all
Yeah the whole point of me saying that was to lightening rod the downvotes from the op so that the comment didn’t get downvoted into oblivion (it was on its way).
Beware the white moderate. They are not your friend.