Culturally significant or common household names always found a way into literature but it is the first time I find two mentions of brands so blatantly placed that the only conclusion I’m led to reach is of paid product placement.
The book in question is “The House in the Woods”, by Mark Dawson. In the very first few paragraphs there is a mention to Hello Fresh, with a not so subtle description of the service, along with an admission of a character on how the instructions to prepare a meal are so simple even they can follow it, and a mention to Spotify. Deeper into the book I’ve already noticed a mention of Nescafé instant coffee.
None of these mentioned brands needed to be there. The writer seems proficient enough to be able to write without resorting to such name placements. The story telling is fluid, with a smooth but dense tone to it, which is something I enjoy in crime/drama/mistery novels.
Has this been a thing for a long time and only now I’m noticing the elephant in the room or is this a rising trend?
Everyone needs and deserves to make a living but not like this.
Thanks, I hate this.
I sincerely apologize but you’re welcome.
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There used to be ads for soup in Discworld novels translated to German.
I’d put my editor through the meat grinder if someone took liberties with my text. But that is curious.
"An Uber, an Uber! My kingdom for an Uber! "
Catching that in the wild would be glorious and disheartning.
I don’t feel that simply mentioning a product name is necessarily product placement. That said, this example is hilarious. It sounds like AI writing having trained on podcast sponsorships.
I think when the ‘product’ is something relevant ro the plot somehow it’s best to just rename it, because otherwise it’s gonna sound like an ad. But a character ordering a Coke at a restaurant or whatever is fine IMO.
I think I’d stop reading if I ever came across it.
It was one of the more startling aspects of the original James Bond books. He didn’t just use an ‘expensive cigarette lighter’ and drive a ‘sporty car’, he used a Ronson and had a Bentley with an Amherst Villiers supercharger.
You’ll also find mention of Gordon’s gin, Citroën, Morland cigarettes, and Taittinger champagne.
This was certainly not the norm for literature in 1953, but was a conscious choice by Fleming to root Bond in reality, albeit a rather upscale one.
Exactly and that worked. And it was clear why the man took to those brands; his life could end the next moment and violently. He wanted to have his taste of the best he could get. It fitted the character. Regardless those references, the reader could easily forget them as they did not marked the flow of the story.
In the book I mention I’m picking up more of these references has the text advances and most are purely unnecessary which was what made them originally so noticeable. The brands are mentioned as if they are pivotal to a scene or the unrolling of the story
It was also because Fleming was paid by the companies to use their product names.
That’s a fact? Very interesting. But at least I’ll concede the man did it with a degree of finesse.
One example is that Bond drove a Bentley in the first six novels and then Fleming changed it to an Aston Martin for Goldfinger. The most famous is Bond smoking Players Cigarettes where there was advertising inserted into copies of Thunderball. The movies did much more to include product placement, though.
Ah yeah, but it was an old prewar Bentley.
I remember reading someone positing that Bentley positioning them more in the high luxury segment was part of the motivation of Bond turning to Aston Martin, as the brand was more concerned with sports and racing, closer to the fast and dangerous life style of the character.
That cigarette brand never caught my eye. What did caught my eye was reference to turkish tobacco and a description of how much stronger it was.
Thinking about Ian Fleming’s James Bond 007 novels, namedropping cars and booze brands is a thing. It establishes Bond as a man who appreciates luxury as well as he handles danger. Still lacks emotional depth or backstory, at least in what I remember of “Dr. No”. Did Nabakov namedrop Humbert’s car make/model in “Lolita”? I don’t remember but I feel like it wouldn’t have been a red flag there. There are probably a good handful of brnd-naming examples in Stephen King’s work.
So it’s a debatable choice but there are legit situations where a brand name hints at character, or serves to anchor the story in verité.
Another example is the character named Ford Prefect in “The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy”, where wildly improbable coincidences are integral to the overall absurdism.
There are probably a good handful of brnd-naming examples in Stephen King’s work.
That one Dark Tower book (book 5?) has some odd Harry Potter references
Fleming was paid for product placement in the Bond novels in the way that tv and movies do now.
You said this elsewhere, and when asked for proof, you dodged it.
Are you making this up, or is there something to substantiate your claim beyond “I said so”?
Considering the fact he keeps repeating this without evidence and Google provides zero information on it, I think it’s safe to assume he’s full of shit
Maybe read a few books and rely less on Google (which is an atrocious search engine these days). If you look over this thread I’ve replied a couple of times. I’m not a Bond scholar and replied earlier from memory. If you are as angry about this as you appear (why? I ask and shrug shoulders - maybe your sense of masculinity is being somehow challenged? who knows?) take a look at this piece https://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/style-bond-branding-1 or do a proper search. Let me know if your manhood demands more and I’ll do a more thorough online search for you, dearie.
So you used an AI to write your reply huh. That’s maybe one of the most cringe things Ive ever seen. Also if you think me saying you’re full of shit is me being angry then I think you should log off cause you’re clearly too young to be on the Internet buddy. Also “do a proper research”? Really? Clearly you are too young to be on the the Internet. So in that case I apologize for cursing where your virgin eyes could read it. Go play with your school mates. It’ll be better for you than hanging around here.
Edit: man I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt. I really did. Id found that “article” already and read it earlier. But since you brought it up I read it again. Did you read it? It’s about the movies you moron. Nowhere in that article does it say Flemming was paid for product placement. It simply says he put brands in his books. Which duh. Go “do a proper research” and stop wasting everyone else’s time with your slop.
Snore. Zzzzzzzz.
Lmao. Whatever retard. At least I can actually read the links I post.
I thought I’d answered it in a previous comment about Bentleys and Players. The last time I read anything about this was John Higgs’ recent book, Love and Let Die (the book about the Beatles and Bond). In the past books like Kingsley Amis’ Bond Dossier has covered stuff like this. It’s a long time since I read anything about Fleming and I’m not a Bond scholar so don’t have this stuff indexed in some zettelkasten in a shoebox, sorry.
Could you quote the passage go get an idea if it reads really like an as?
She wasn’t as good a cook as he was and, not full of confidence that she would be able to pull it off, she had bought a meal box from Hello Fresh after seeing one of their ads on Facebook. She had a turkey, all the vegetables and sauces, and a booklet of instructions that even she could follow. She had selected her Christmas playlist on Spotify and had found, to her surprise, that she had enjoyed herself more than she had expected.
And now I notice I even overlooked Facebook.
This passage makes me wonder if the book is AI slop
I wouldn’t put it above it.
The author has been active since 2011 and is phenomenally productive.
Old school pulpers were pretty capable of sitting down and putting out a story in a week or less. Being self published, autocorrect can pass for all the editing and reviewing a work from this author gets. Yet there are only so many hours a person can write.
“not full of confidence” Who writes like that? “Lacking” is a word that exists.
Apparently, this writer.
Also in three sentences they used “she had” 5 times. This sample reads as if it never even passed an editor.
Edit: actually there is another “she had” in the first sentence. Crazy.
Regardless this disastrous opening, the story actually flows well and is quite nice to follow. Overlooking the endless brand dropping throughout the text.
“He passed the Aldi on his way to”[…] “He filled a large Ikea bag with clothes”[…] etc.
I don’t know when this book was first published, but is there a chance that it was at least partially written by or with “help” from AI?
March, 2020
At least that is the date I’m being able to find.
Would I put that option out of the table? No. But it seems this author is highly productive and self published, churning out three or four books a year, since 2011. Either the guy writes at a tremendous pace or he has a host of shadow writers.
It may just be this is an old school pulper capable of sitting down and in three or four days having a story written. No review or editting beyond autocorret.
Write what you know 🤷♂️ the dude like grocery delivery and instant coffee
Write what you know.
I was expecting that would be mentioned. But we can write on what we know without getting… unelegant.
I ''ve seen it a lot in modern day thrillers. I doubt most of it is paid, rather an effort to make the narrative more grounded.
It’s a tool but there are way to use it without it sounding artificial.
Yes, it is cringy usually.
Stieg Larsson did this massively in his Millennium trilogy with brands like IKEA and Apple 20 years ago if I remember correctly.
Really? I have to check it. Interesting read?
The product placement or the whole books?
The Books are really great. (Also it depicts rather real hacking*, instead of the usual hacking tropes.)
*It’s not all about hacking. Themes are among other things are: corruption, violence/murder, femicide and journalism (and more, but I already spoiled too much).
That was a poor question on my part, wasn’t it?
Seems interesting. I’ll try to take a look at it.
It’s the girl with the dragon tattoo series fyi
Really?! That series seemed to fizzle out in my country. I remember seeing the titles on the shelves but never heard anyone talk about it.
Nah, sometimes I’m just pretty dumb ;)
Have fun with it!
I mean, that’s a more guaranteed way to make a living than hoping the next book will be as well received as the previous one.
We as a society need to step and and support the arts, in the meantime some private companies are doing more for the arts than the consumers are.
What the actual fuck is this take. Corporations polluting the artistic landscape by normalizing covert advertisements is “doing something for the arts”, now? Next you’ll tell me that film executives paying for generic slop film #6338929394 to be made counts as an artistic endowment 😭
If you think product placement is corporations “doing more for art,” then it seems like you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what art actually is.
Art is suffering?
Why should an aspiring artist starve before they gain notoriety?
I think we should fund everyone’s way of life with a universal income, but we aren’t doing that, I don’t fault an artist for trying to find a way to survive this capitalist hellscape. Guaranteed income to write a book that might gain you enough of an audience so you can leave product placement behind, I don’t blame the artist.
Do you think art should only be produced by those with existing means?
This is one of the most deliberately bad faith readings of someone else’s point I’ve ever seen.
Unless we can find a means to cut out of the equation the standard publishing houses to force books to become more affordable, I see it as very difficult.
In my country, paperback pocket edition, historically cheaper and specifically made to draw more readers, simply vanished from the market.
I could buy a full lenght novel anywhere from 3,50€ to 7,50€ and find that kind of book in coffee shops, euro stores, etc. Nowadays, the cheapest I can find a new book starts at 12,50€.
There was a time I thought self publishing could be the answer but the dragons raised their heads and razed that hope.
