I can empathize that this sucks to go through because I haven’t read anything to suggest she had murderous intent, but even accidents have consequences. There have to be penalties for setting up dangerous conditions to make sure that happens as rarely as possible. It’s why charges like “involuntary manslaughter” exist.
While this was technically an accident, I put it in the same league as driving drunk and killing someone. It was preventable by doing the bare minimum of what her job responsibilities were.
I agree and that’s why I finished by saying even these situations, where there’s no intent, have to be prosecuted and punished. While I empathize with making mistakes (having made my own albeit none nearly so serious) I still think there’s a good reason she’s headed to prison.
It’s “an accident” in the same way getting shit faced and going for a cross country drive and wrecking is “an accident”.
She violated pretty much every safety regulation, and I believe was even getting drunk and shooting the prop guns on set with live bullets. She was definitely shooting them on set, I just don’t know if they proved she was doing it while drunk.
A drunk driver doesn’t mean to kill anyone either. But most don’t say it was just an accident and try to emphasize with the irresponsible sociopath who got someone killed because they thought they knew more than the law.
This is a WORK place accident, not an at home or social thing. Not a ‘misjudged, drank too much, and then went to drive home’ kind of thing. Its a ‘I set up a science experiment in the classroom and misjudged the materials because I was actively doing something I shouldn’t have as per SOPs in the teaching industry and ended up killing a student when they started the experiment I laid out for them’ kind of accident.
This should be compared to other gross negligence work place accidents.
I’m not sure how much experience you have with alcoholics, but when they say they’re “hungover” they’re usually still legally drunk too. Often they had a drink first thing after waking up to take off the edge.
A police officer… drinks and drives his cruiser into another car. It’s a work place accident involving alcohol.
My point is that comparing this strictly to DUI removes the entire Work Place Safety aspect, putting the blame on an individual instead of the system that is employing a skilled person in a position, and the responsibilities of the position. This is the equivalent of an OSHA event, and the system and the SME are responsible.
Not just some human doing bad human stuff, because that’s normal every day shit. This is your employer hiring people who either don’t take their job seriously or are under-qualified which contributed to a Work Place Incident.
Alcohol or not, the comparison downplays that your employers hired someone who got your peer killed in the work place.
Edit: let me expand, if you will. Your SO works for some small company, maybe a translations agency, right? And there’s a conference that they want to send a few of the team to. So, they rent a bus and pay Bob from Accounting an additional $20 to drive you all down to it. And he crashes and everyone dies, or he crashes and your SO dies. Regardless of whether Bob had a bender the night before, your SO’s company hired an unskilled person and put everyone’s lives in their hands… and directly contributed to your SO’s death. This is companies cutting corners to save money at the expense of you, me, and our SOs’ and peers’ lives. And that’s fucked up. It’s multiple times worse than Jeannette getting tipsy and driving home from Sunday Funday and ruining a families life. It’s corporations, businesses, our jobs cutting corners and directly contributing to work place death’s even though there are entire industries and regulatory bodies build around protecting us, the working class, from our cost cutting overlords.
She (correctly) beat an evidence tampering charge on reasonable doubt, because the person Reed handed a white baggie of powder to, threw it away - after the shooting happened.
If she’s actively using narcotics (why else have it on her?) and working as a set armorer, that is a massive dereliction of duty irrespective of drug laws. She needs treatment absolutely, but as set armorer it is your responsibility ultimately, and there was live ammo that fired on set that day. That is her responsibility, Baldwin’s culpability for firing/“pointing” the gun remains to be determined.
In no way, shape, or form am I removing any responsibility from her.
But, it is entirely a Work Place Accident, as per my example of an on duty police officer drinking and driving. You should be equally upset, though, that the industry and their practices, or shady groups within it, directly contributed to this happening. That’s why we have OSHA, that’s why we have rigorous vetting processes for skilled workers when it comes to dangerous work and career fields.
A lot of people, as soon as more evidence came out pointing to her, let the industry off the hook. But, you should never fear for yourself or your peers’ lives at work. Your work shouldn’t be killing you. They cut corners and hired a cheap ‘SME’, and then when that came back to bite them in the ass they said ‘Look, see it’s all her fault. Not us!’
Yeah, sure boss man. You didn’t directly contribute to Sarah from HR’s death. Got it.
Edit: friends in the industry say that the company she worked for or through bankrupted their credibility and no one will work with them. So, there’s that silver lining on holding higher ups accountable. But, industry failures led to this, and management absolutely does have blood on their hands for putting cost cutting practices over employee health and safety.
Back in 2010 an Officer in my state killed 1 motorcyclist and injured two others while drunk driving on the job. He was eventually sentenced to 4 years in prison for that.
By comparison 18 months seems reasonable for her crime.
She wasn’t qualified to do a very specific job she was hired specifically to do. The people who hired her are also at fault, but her very actions and incompetence at her duties lead to a shooting and death. You don’t just shrug and say oops, accidents happen if a certified electrician or utility worker messes up so badly they burn your house down.
I can empathize that this sucks to go through because I haven’t read anything to suggest she had murderous intent, but even accidents have consequences. There have to be penalties for setting up dangerous conditions to make sure that happens as rarely as possible. It’s why charges like “involuntary manslaughter” exist.
While this was technically an accident, I put it in the same league as driving drunk and killing someone. It was preventable by doing the bare minimum of what her job responsibilities were.
I agree and that’s why I finished by saying even these situations, where there’s no intent, have to be prosecuted and punished. While I empathize with making mistakes (having made my own albeit none nearly so serious) I still think there’s a good reason she’s headed to prison.
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It’s “an accident” in the same way getting shit faced and going for a cross country drive and wrecking is “an accident”.
She violated pretty much every safety regulation, and I believe was even getting drunk and shooting the prop guns on set with live bullets. She was definitely shooting them on set, I just don’t know if they proved she was doing it while drunk.
A drunk driver doesn’t mean to kill anyone either. But most don’t say it was just an accident and try to emphasize with the irresponsible sociopath who got someone killed because they thought they knew more than the law.
I want to disagree with comparing this to DUI.
This is a WORK place accident, not an at home or social thing. Not a ‘misjudged, drank too much, and then went to drive home’ kind of thing. Its a ‘I set up a science experiment in the classroom and misjudged the materials because I was actively doing something I shouldn’t have as per SOPs in the teaching industry and ended up killing a student when they started the experiment I laid out for them’ kind of accident.
This should be compared to other gross negligence work place accidents.
She was staying after work and shooting live ammo out of the guns used on set…
There is evidence someone was also drinking because she had empty containers in her vehicle along with the live ammo.
They didn’t need to prove she was drinking to find her guilty, but she said she was still “hungover” when she did it.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/weapons-expert-was-likely-hungover-set-fatal-rust-shooting-prosecutors-rcna89230
I’m not sure how much experience you have with alcoholics, but when they say they’re “hungover” they’re usually still legally drunk too. Often they had a drink first thing after waking up to take off the edge.
A police officer… drinks and drives his cruiser into another car. It’s a work place accident involving alcohol.
My point is that comparing this strictly to DUI removes the entire Work Place Safety aspect, putting the blame on an individual instead of the system that is employing a skilled person in a position, and the responsibilities of the position. This is the equivalent of an OSHA event, and the system and the SME are responsible.
Not just some human doing bad human stuff, because that’s normal every day shit. This is your employer hiring people who either don’t take their job seriously or are under-qualified which contributed to a Work Place Incident.
Alcohol or not, the comparison downplays that your employers hired someone who got your peer killed in the work place.
Edit: let me expand, if you will. Your SO works for some small company, maybe a translations agency, right? And there’s a conference that they want to send a few of the team to. So, they rent a bus and pay Bob from Accounting an additional $20 to drive you all down to it. And he crashes and everyone dies, or he crashes and your SO dies. Regardless of whether Bob had a bender the night before, your SO’s company hired an unskilled person and put everyone’s lives in their hands… and directly contributed to your SO’s death. This is companies cutting corners to save money at the expense of you, me, and our SOs’ and peers’ lives. And that’s fucked up. It’s multiple times worse than Jeannette getting tipsy and driving home from Sunday Funday and ruining a families life. It’s corporations, businesses, our jobs cutting corners and directly contributing to work place death’s even though there are entire industries and regulatory bodies build around protecting us, the working class, from our cost cutting overlords.
She (correctly) beat an evidence tampering charge on reasonable doubt, because the person Reed handed a white baggie of powder to, threw it away - after the shooting happened.
If she’s actively using narcotics (why else have it on her?) and working as a set armorer, that is a massive dereliction of duty irrespective of drug laws. She needs treatment absolutely, but as set armorer it is your responsibility ultimately, and there was live ammo that fired on set that day. That is her responsibility, Baldwin’s culpability for firing/“pointing” the gun remains to be determined.
In no way, shape, or form am I removing any responsibility from her.
But, it is entirely a Work Place Accident, as per my example of an on duty police officer drinking and driving. You should be equally upset, though, that the industry and their practices, or shady groups within it, directly contributed to this happening. That’s why we have OSHA, that’s why we have rigorous vetting processes for skilled workers when it comes to dangerous work and career fields.
A lot of people, as soon as more evidence came out pointing to her, let the industry off the hook. But, you should never fear for yourself or your peers’ lives at work. Your work shouldn’t be killing you. They cut corners and hired a cheap ‘SME’, and then when that came back to bite them in the ass they said ‘Look, see it’s all her fault. Not us!’
Yeah, sure boss man. You didn’t directly contribute to Sarah from HR’s death. Got it.
Edit: friends in the industry say that the company she worked for or through bankrupted their credibility and no one will work with them. So, there’s that silver lining on holding higher ups accountable. But, industry failures led to this, and management absolutely does have blood on their hands for putting cost cutting practices over employee health and safety.
Well, I tried…
Back in 2010 an Officer in my state killed 1 motorcyclist and injured two others while drunk driving on the job. He was eventually sentenced to 4 years in prison for that.
By comparison 18 months seems reasonable for her crime.
She wasn’t qualified to do a very specific job she was hired specifically to do. The people who hired her are also at fault, but her very actions and incompetence at her duties lead to a shooting and death. You don’t just shrug and say oops, accidents happen if a certified electrician or utility worker messes up so badly they burn your house down.