You are clearly making a poor joke, but… Butter is literally what the French are known for. Sugarcane is from the South Pacific and sugar itself originated in India.
Southern and Creole cuisine originated in America however, and that uses a ton of spices on par with native Indian cuisine.
Industrial use of high fructose corn sirup is all American Capitalism, though.
… And southern france hardly uses butter btw.
sugar itself originated in India
Lol, what? Also: it’s not about where the stuff came from but rather what the cuisine does with it. Italian or German cuisine doesn’t become south american all of a sudden cause of tomatoes and potatoes.
Yeah, Prohibition killed all the beer we had and we did have good beer right up until then. And it’s been a long road back. Those large US breweries are still far more interested in cheap ingredients made cheaply.
But you can find good craft beers scattered amongst the bad craft beers if you look. And home brewing is maybe more popular in the US than Europe, but I’m not sure of that.
You make a good point about prohibition, I guess that will have had a significant effect.
Maybe there are more artisan spirits in the US now having been driven by people with secret stills making moonshine in that period.
It’ll be interesting to see where you guys go with the relaxation of marijuana laws. Maybe people will be home breeding new strains.
American modern beers - Just keep throwing hops at it until it stops tasting like piss. Doesn’t matter if it tastes more like a bunch of daffodils than beer, we’ll just call it “craft” 😂
While I haven’t lived there I’ve done several trips through the country. Maybe 7 weeks in total? I’d choose Belgium if I were to choose a regional winner.
But finding the actual great German beer, the blessed helles, is not super easy in US. People seem to think all these bocks are super common in Germany, but it’s actually helles what everybody drinks (and pils in the north). Helles is extremely hard to brew correctly, it requires a very specific temperature and pure ingredients.
I spent most of my vacation in US last year finding a good helles from a bar. I found one after many tries, and the closest I could get to a bavarian helles was in Weaverville, in Leveller Brewing Co. I went to thank the owner for this great beer, and he told me he studied brewing in Bavaria and brewing that beer took a lot of trial and error.
Edit: somebody soon comes to tell how easy it is to find helles in US. Yes, but it often doesn’t taste how it should. Or you get some old bottled stock of Augustiner that is not a same thing as fresh Augustiner in Munich.
I’ve never once been in a town without a beer place within 20 minutes that has more selection than you could try in your entire life before dying of liver failure. Christ most grocery stores have at least an aisle dedicated to food selection.
Been to the US a few times. Your food tastes extremely average and the only difference to anywhere else is that it has about 3 times the kcals and half the nutrition. I’ve had heartburn and constipation virtually every time I’ve visited.
And your beer is possibly the worst in the world. It’s pisswater.
With opinions like that I’d be surprised if you’ve even left your own state, let alone the country.
Ididn’t get the suffocating prevalence of corn sirup in the US from reddit/lemmy, but rather from health resources and people from the US.
For real: all that cultural bashing is pointless to begin with. But claimingthat the US has “the best food” when Italy, the middle and far east exist: come on!
It’s in everything, along with plenty of salt and cancer causing dyes and artificial flavoring. Even our locally sourced, home farm based meats and vegetables are laden with chemicals and virtually zero nutritional value because hardly anyone let’s soil lie fallow, and doesn’t use a tin of Miracle Grow and weed killer. I’m my specific area, you can’t even find chicken feed that’s nutritious for the birds and almost no one free-ranges. The closest you’ll find in my area are a pig that’s given table scraps in addition to feed, and no one knows what’s in either chicken or hog feed, unless it’s cracked corn, and well… You get it.
I’m very sorry and embarrassed most people from my country are this way, and very sorry for how you’ve experienced us itt. I really like Mediterranean and Thai food, though I’m not particularly good at making them from scratch. I did enjoy a decent-enough-for-frozen-but-by-no-means-decent eggplant Parmesan the other day, and the standard American version of pad Thai a couple of months ago, when I was out in a larger town. No lettuce rolls, though.
It depends on where the bourbon gets made. Very generally, the temperatures cycles vary a lot more more than in Great Britain. So the bourbon “ages” faster than Scotch or Irish whiskys. So bourbons have to be younger and that can make them somewhat sharper in flavor. Plus the requirement of using new oak barrels also cuts the time spent in the barrel.
Yank here. Most of us were raised on American Exceptionalism which has been pounded into our head since birth, for a few generations. There’s no point arguing this, because murica…
You never sang “Yankee Doodle,” or “Yankee Doodle Dandy” on July 4, even as a kid? I’m southern as can be and these were staples on the Fourth, Memorial and Labor Days, as well as bright red hotdogs, chips (crisps), soda and Budweiser and PBR.
We have so many unique individual cultures it’s absolutely ridiculous. E fuckin G, south central LA black culture, WASP rich ass folk, southern bumpkin, Texan, midwestern, New York. Those are a handful of examples, but each is so thoroughly unique, with different accents and culinary offerings, and dress styles ALL OF WHICH in some way influence cultures across the globe. Each state honestly has its own cultural offerings, but as a whole, to say that the U.S. doesn’t have culture is moronic.
That has nothing to do with the topic at hand, you’re just trying to change the topic, and think that somehow calling out America’s history of colonization (by not only Britain mind you) is some sort of “gotcha” moment.
But I’ll bite. Personally, European descent. But many native friends and family members, and lots of time volunteering with local native non-profits and political campaigns. Which is likely more than 99% of Americans could say about any sort of native support.
I’m on the west coast, you know where all the natives were forced to move. Many of the “illegals” the bigots complain about in my area are actually Native Americans or have native ancestry.
But none of that is about the topic at hand, food and Britain’s lack of utilizing the spices they spent so much effort to get.
Your asked them to name a spice they had that wasn’t brought by colonization. They were being entirely relevant to your question. I believe that’s called “moving the goal posts.” I also just stuck my foot in my mouth elsewhere. Lol
A major part of that is obviously potatoes, which originated in South America. They were brought back to Europe through colonization of the Americas. Just like tomatoes and corn.
For spices though, looking up a few recipes to check it looks like usually thyme, rosemary, and parsley are used, which are Mediterranean and Western Eurasia. So maybe… My memory of English colonialism and time-frames closer to home is more lacking.
I’ve had awesome stouts that were so stout they could double as a meal, and I’ve had island beers that were nice for a long hot afternoon of fishing or cooling down after out side work.
Tbf, im not a beer snob though and choose primarily based on activity and temperature of day.
I usually like Newcastle Summer, I’m not a fan of Stella. Blue Moon is acceptable. But since neither that nor Newcastle is sold as singles near me (and a 12 oz or pint not even once a week, at most twice a month is the most I’ll drink at one time), that usually means Heineken. I’ve 2 pint cans in the fridge now (I prefer bottles), but that is because I’m the last month, a neighbor has brought me three, in return for small favors. And the first was lovely, to wash* down a nice potato poon. It balances the sweetness nicely.
ETA: tbh I hate stouts, but I’m really not a beer drinker. When I drank liquors occasionally, I usually preferred a pricier tequila or single malt Scotch, and being on limited funds, that curbs that, nicely.
The only time I’ve ever had Irish whisky was in Bailey’s, but if anyone can recommend a good Irish, I’ll keep it in mind.
America has beer at the grocery store like Bud light, Coors light, and PBR, which all kind of taste the same to me. but most cities have local micro breweries for fresher beer, and more distinctive regional flavors.
You’re really missing out! In my opinion, PBR is the best of the “cheap and shitty” tier of mass-produced beer that rednecks and poor college students drink to get smashed. It’s not good, exactly, but somehow nostalgic to me for drinking around a campfire. The U.S. has plenty of mass-produced beer that’s still mediocre, but better than PBR, and some that’s even pretty decent. It’s in the craft breweries that you’ll find the really great American beer, though.
I’ve been to craft breweries and several tastings at various ones. I just didn’t find much that agree with my palate, but as I said, I’m not a beer person, in general. My friend back home used to make a rather nice home brew. I believe he may have used molasses to some extent, but it’s been a very long time ago, and most of my alcohol consumption was from home brewed corn or fruit and heavily distilled. Except my grandmother’s fruit concoctions, consisting of preserves, jams, jellies and way too sweet wines. They still beat Boone’s Farm, MD and Triple Peach, though.
When I was a kid, Old Milwaukee came 8 ponies to a pack for less than $3. It was extremely popular, especially the shotgunnable cans. Thank heaven a friend’s dad had a still, is all in saying.
If the best beer you can find was PBR you’re incompetent. Calling me an ass because you went directly to bitten of the barrel swill. Jesus Christ lololol.
Let me break it down: I never said any of what you just ASSumed, twice now. You didn’t make an ass of me twice, however. And are quite intent on proving my point of American exceptionalism. You haven’t even the wherewithal to look it up, nor feel embarrassment for it, which is why other cultures generally find us not only ignorant, but obnoxious as well.
Butter was a luxury prior to 150 years ago limited to a hard 20 mile radius of milk farms. 10 if you wanted it to taste good. Refrigeration changed this.
Sugar was similarly limited due to either trade with the far east or the establishment of colonies in the west indies. Russia didn’t have a sugar source until sugar beets in the late 1850s.
Most regional European cuisines were developed in the 1700s with the introduction of Tomatoes and Potatoes from the Americas. Both of the spices called out were still luxuries at the time.
Meanwhile yanks with their two spices - butter and sugar
“Our food is the tastiest in the wuuuurld”
Aye but yous can’t afford that coronary eh mate 😂
You are clearly making a poor joke, but… Butter is literally what the French are known for. Sugarcane is from the South Pacific and sugar itself originated in India.
Southern and Creole cuisine originated in America however, and that uses a ton of spices on par with native Indian cuisine.
Industrial use of high fructose corn sirup is all American Capitalism, though.
… And southern france hardly uses butter btw.
Lol, what? Also: it’s not about where the stuff came from but rather what the cuisine does with it. Italian or German cuisine doesn’t become south american all of a sudden cause of tomatoes and potatoes.
Just curious, but what does Southern France use as their fat to cook with, then? I’m visiting in a month.
Olive oil
Olive oil, just like any other mediterranean cuisine. In that climate, butter goes rancid in a heartbeat.
Look I feel sorry for the Italians and the Germans but their food is American now. It’s just the way the world works. :)-
Is this where we pretend that Brits don’t consume obscene amounts of sugar and butter?
No, there’s no point pretending they’re not fat cunts as well
But we’re pretending they don’t consume vast amounts of spices too. They’re fat smelly cunts tbh
pretty sure you mean canola oil and hfcs
I mean obviously you’ve never taken the time to explore the US. US food is utterly fantastic.
Our beer is better too.
I know you’re probably just trolling but LOL.
You’ve never had Cajun cuisine. Or good Tex-Mex. Or soul food. All brilliant when made by the right chef.
I have, and you’re right, it’s delicious. The silly, throwaway comment about beer was what sent me. 😂
American beer is not in anyway better than European beer or even English beer.
Something something tastes like piss.
I think you Americans are beginning the long road to good beer with all your craft ales, but you’ve got a way to go yet.
Yeah, Prohibition killed all the beer we had and we did have good beer right up until then. And it’s been a long road back. Those large US breweries are still far more interested in cheap ingredients made cheaply.
But you can find good craft beers scattered amongst the bad craft beers if you look. And home brewing is maybe more popular in the US than Europe, but I’m not sure of that.
You make a good point about prohibition, I guess that will have had a significant effect. Maybe there are more artisan spirits in the US now having been driven by people with secret stills making moonshine in that period. It’ll be interesting to see where you guys go with the relaxation of marijuana laws. Maybe people will be home breeding new strains.
Something something base an entire market off of a 30 year old meme. You have no clue what you are talking about. Just making up shit 🤣
How much time have you spent in the states?
Base an entire market off a 30 year old meme
😂
American modern beers - Just keep throwing hops at it until it stops tasting like piss. Doesn’t matter if it tastes more like a bunch of daffodils than beer, we’ll just call it “craft” 😂
daffodils are pretty and make me smile
“I wondered lonely as a cloud…”
Nice spelling, Wordsworth
American “beer” lol. Laughs in German.
We do dopplebock far better here.
So you say the only good beer you got is a beer you copied from us?
Lol. As if you’ve ever even tried the local bavarian breweries (the stuff they sell on Oktoberfest doesn’t count)! xD
While I haven’t lived there I’ve done several trips through the country. Maybe 7 weeks in total? I’d choose Belgium if I were to choose a regional winner.
But finding the actual great German beer, the blessed helles, is not super easy in US. People seem to think all these bocks are super common in Germany, but it’s actually helles what everybody drinks (and pils in the north). Helles is extremely hard to brew correctly, it requires a very specific temperature and pure ingredients.
I spent most of my vacation in US last year finding a good helles from a bar. I found one after many tries, and the closest I could get to a bavarian helles was in Weaverville, in Leveller Brewing Co. I went to thank the owner for this great beer, and he told me he studied brewing in Bavaria and brewing that beer took a lot of trial and error.
Edit: somebody soon comes to tell how easy it is to find helles in US. Yes, but it often doesn’t taste how it should. Or you get some old bottled stock of Augustiner that is not a same thing as fresh Augustiner in Munich.
I’ve never once been in a town without a beer place within 20 minutes that has more selection than you could try in your entire life before dying of liver failure. Christ most grocery stores have at least an aisle dedicated to food selection.
This is entirely made up.
Been to the US a few times. Your food tastes extremely average and the only difference to anywhere else is that it has about 3 times the kcals and half the nutrition. I’ve had heartburn and constipation virtually every time I’ve visited.
And your beer is possibly the worst in the world. It’s pisswater.
With opinions like that I’d be surprised if you’ve even left your own state, let alone the country.
Where the heck did you eat? Corporate McSteakhouse? If the response when asked about beer is Bud or Coors then blink twice, you need help.
C’mon, stop it. We Americans are bad at many things, but no one can refute that Americans have created some damn good beer over the last two decades.
What’s the difference between the US and a cup of yoghurt?
Youghurt will have developed a culture after 250 years. /j
You have your yoghurt. I’ll take the bbq, whiskey, and our massive dining industry that produces the best food on the planet.
Lol. You can keep your bland Whisky (I’ll take Irish, thanks) and your industrially processed junk food, filled to the brim with corn sirup.
🙄👌🤣
I bet your one of those people who shit on Louisiana while forgetting Hungary is a thing 🤣.
It’s always so obvious when someone who hasn’t stepped foot in the country and gets their entire life view based on
Redditlemmy comments.Edit: oh we’re on .ML of fucking course, this makes more sense. This is pointless you had your mind made up joining the instance.
Check my instance again, smartass.
Ididn’t get the suffocating prevalence of corn sirup in the US from reddit/lemmy, but rather from health resources and people from the US.
For real: all that cultural bashing is pointless to begin with. But claimingthat the US has “the best food” when Italy, the middle and far east exist: come on!
It’s in everything, along with plenty of salt and cancer causing dyes and artificial flavoring. Even our locally sourced, home farm based meats and vegetables are laden with chemicals and virtually zero nutritional value because hardly anyone let’s soil lie fallow, and doesn’t use a tin of Miracle Grow and weed killer. I’m my specific area, you can’t even find chicken feed that’s nutritious for the birds and almost no one free-ranges. The closest you’ll find in my area are a pig that’s given table scraps in addition to feed, and no one knows what’s in either chicken or hog feed, unless it’s cracked corn, and well… You get it.
You seem very… defensive about your choices here.
Come again?
I’m very sorry and embarrassed most people from my country are this way, and very sorry for how you’ve experienced us itt. I really like Mediterranean and Thai food, though I’m not particularly good at making them from scratch. I did enjoy a decent-enough-for-frozen-but-by-no-means-decent eggplant Parmesan the other day, and the standard American version of pad Thai a couple of months ago, when I was out in a larger town. No lettuce rolls, though.
I’m not even American but lol at calling triple distilled Irish whiskey is less bland than bourbon.
Irish whiskey is like the lager of whiskeys, about as bland as it gets
You guys don’t age your common bourbons long enough though.
It depends on where the bourbon gets made. Very generally, the temperatures cycles vary a lot more more than in Great Britain. So the bourbon “ages” faster than Scotch or Irish whiskys. So bourbons have to be younger and that can make them somewhat sharper in flavor. Plus the requirement of using new oak barrels also cuts the time spent in the barrel.
Yank here. Most of us were raised on American Exceptionalism which has been pounded into our head since birth, for a few generations. There’s no point arguing this, because murica…
I thought lemmy was leftie enough to not be pounced by jingoists right away. TIL
We’ll you’re arguing with Americans where “left” barely means “center” or “right but not far right.” See also the DK effect.
American here. I have never seen a fellow American refer to themself as a Yank. I thought that word was reserved for WWII British soldiers.
You never sang “Yankee Doodle,” or “Yankee Doodle Dandy” on July 4, even as a kid? I’m southern as can be and these were staples on the Fourth, Memorial and Labor Days, as well as bright red hotdogs, chips (crisps), soda and Budweiser and PBR.
I’ve heard those songs, but it doesn’t mean I call myself a yank in conversation. It sounds antiquated.
We have so many unique individual cultures it’s absolutely ridiculous. E fuckin G, south central LA black culture, WASP rich ass folk, southern bumpkin, Texan, midwestern, New York. Those are a handful of examples, but each is so thoroughly unique, with different accents and culinary offerings, and dress styles ALL OF WHICH in some way influence cultures across the globe. Each state honestly has its own cultural offerings, but as a whole, to say that the U.S. doesn’t have culture is moronic.
It’s a joke, relax.
Fair enough that the USA has culture but that’s a bit far, considering the size of the place.
Bri’ish food is some of the best in the world too. Because we know how to use spices and not high fructose corn syrup
Name a British food that uses spices that wasn’t brought by colonization.
Are you a native American or one of those colonizers?
That has nothing to do with the topic at hand, you’re just trying to change the topic, and think that somehow calling out America’s history of colonization (by not only Britain mind you) is some sort of “gotcha” moment.
But I’ll bite. Personally, European descent. But many native friends and family members, and lots of time volunteering with local native non-profits and political campaigns. Which is likely more than 99% of Americans could say about any sort of native support.
I’m on the west coast, you know where all the natives were forced to move. Many of the “illegals” the bigots complain about in my area are actually Native Americans or have native ancestry.
But none of that is about the topic at hand, food and Britain’s lack of utilizing the spices they spent so much effort to get.
Your asked them to name a spice they had that wasn’t brought by colonization. They were being entirely relevant to your question. I believe that’s called “moving the goal posts.” I also just stuck my foot in my mouth elsewhere. Lol
🤪
Wew lad
You already know …
Eels
Used to be a speciality of the city of Ely, Cambridgeshire.
And how, in your wee head, does the fact that it came about due to colonisation make it not British?
Sheperd’s pie
A major part of that is obviously potatoes, which originated in South America. They were brought back to Europe through colonization of the Americas. Just like tomatoes and corn.
For spices though, looking up a few recipes to check it looks like usually thyme, rosemary, and parsley are used, which are Mediterranean and Western Eurasia. So maybe… My memory of English colonialism and time-frames closer to home is more lacking.
I’ve never had a decent American beer. PBR is the closest to decent I’ve ever had.
Depends what you are looking for.
I’ve had awesome stouts that were so stout they could double as a meal, and I’ve had island beers that were nice for a long hot afternoon of fishing or cooling down after out side work.
Tbf, im not a beer snob though and choose primarily based on activity and temperature of day.
I usually like Newcastle Summer, I’m not a fan of Stella. Blue Moon is acceptable. But since neither that nor Newcastle is sold as singles near me (and a 12 oz or pint not even once a week, at most twice a month is the most I’ll drink at one time), that usually means Heineken. I’ve 2 pint cans in the fridge now (I prefer bottles), but that is because I’m the last month, a neighbor has brought me three, in return for small favors. And the first was lovely, to wash* down a nice potato poon. It balances the sweetness nicely.
ETA: tbh I hate stouts, but I’m really not a beer drinker. When I drank liquors occasionally, I usually preferred a pricier tequila or single malt Scotch, and being on limited funds, that curbs that, nicely.
The only time I’ve ever had Irish whisky was in Bailey’s, but if anyone can recommend a good Irish, I’ll keep it in mind.
Newcastle Summer?
Beer that tastes like rain, wet sausage rolls and tracksuit armpits, I’m guessing
American beer! No thanks.
America has beer at the grocery store like Bud light, Coors light, and PBR, which all kind of taste the same to me. but most cities have local micro breweries for fresher beer, and more distinctive regional flavors.
You’re really missing out! In my opinion, PBR is the best of the “cheap and shitty” tier of mass-produced beer that rednecks and poor college students drink to get smashed. It’s not good, exactly, but somehow nostalgic to me for drinking around a campfire. The U.S. has plenty of mass-produced beer that’s still mediocre, but better than PBR, and some that’s even pretty decent. It’s in the craft breweries that you’ll find the really great American beer, though.
I’ve been to craft breweries and several tastings at various ones. I just didn’t find much that agree with my palate, but as I said, I’m not a beer person, in general. My friend back home used to make a rather nice home brew. I believe he may have used molasses to some extent, but it’s been a very long time ago, and most of my alcohol consumption was from home brewed corn or fruit and heavily distilled. Except my grandmother’s fruit concoctions, consisting of preserves, jams, jellies and way too sweet wines. They still beat Boone’s Farm, MD and Triple Peach, though.
Haha, okay, so as not-a-beer-person, I guess you’re not really missing out. Fair enough.
No, but American beer is still nasty.
When I was a kid, Old Milwaukee came 8 ponies to a pack for less than $3. It was extremely popular, especially the shotgunnable cans. Thank heaven a friend’s dad had a still, is all in saying.
I appreciate you admitting you’ve never stepped foot in an American beer store.
And I appreciate your admitting you ASSume way too much. Murica, heck yeah!
If the best beer you can find was PBR you’re incompetent. Calling me an ass because you went directly to bitten of the barrel swill. Jesus Christ lololol.
Whoosh!
Let me break it down: I never said any of what you just ASSumed, twice now. You didn’t make an ass of me twice, however. And are quite intent on proving my point of American exceptionalism. You haven’t even the wherewithal to look it up, nor feel embarrassment for it, which is why other cultures generally find us not only ignorant, but obnoxious as well.
👌👍 you are just making shit up you read on the Internet and justifying with insane circular logic. Deranged shit 🤣
Nah, they’re being spot on, tbh.
American Pizza > Italian Pizza.
Correct.
American pizza= more greasy than Italian pizza. That’s why you think it tastes better
Some American pizzas are more greasy than Italian pizza, but not all. America has so many varieties of pizza that Italians would dismiss as not pizza.
Because they are pretentious. They’ll give you shit for ordering cappuccino at night.
What? Why would they give you shit for that?
Because it’s not culturally acceptable. Seriously, try it. It’s insane.
Butter was a luxury prior to 150 years ago limited to a hard 20 mile radius of milk farms. 10 if you wanted it to taste good. Refrigeration changed this.
Sugar was similarly limited due to either trade with the far east or the establishment of colonies in the west indies. Russia didn’t have a sugar source until sugar beets in the late 1850s.
Most regional European cuisines were developed in the 1700s with the introduction of Tomatoes and Potatoes from the Americas. Both of the spices called out were still luxuries at the time.