• MystikIncarnate@lemmy.caEnglish
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    9 months ago

    Oh man, the fucking sass in the comments of this post. You’re all so passionate about these things.

    … And almost all of the arguments are whataboutisms. It’s a fucking race to the bottom with everyone.

    All I’m going to say is that not voting is not a valid way to protest. That’s excluding yourself from the process, and letting others decide for you. Just go vote. I’m not going to tell you who to vote for, just go do it. Have your voice heard.

    I realize this years vote for Americans will very likely turn into a competition of who is less bad of an option, but you need to still go out and cast a ballot. Please just do it. Please!

    • TokenBoomer@lemmy.world
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      9 months ago

      He was equally alert to the problem of voter fetishism: voters mistakenly thinking the vote is an exercise of power, when in fact power in a capitalist society is collective, social and located largely outside the parliamentary realm. Elections had a place, but they were no substitute for mass working-class action in the workplaces, streets and squares. Ultimately power must be wrested from the capitalist class in revolution.

      Voter fetishism

      • greenskye@lemm.eeEnglish
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        9 months ago

        For like 99% of people arguing that ‘voting is useless’ they are also not working towards any other method of improving society. Either by working towards unions, or effective means of protest or even violent revolution. They’re just opting out and doing nothing of value while feeling smug about being ‘above’ such petty squabbles.

        If you are the 1% actually doing something of value that isn’t voting. Congrats, I guess? But I think I’m far more likely to convince someone to vote, which is at least somewhat helpful than I am to convince them to join a revolution.

        • TokenBoomer@lemmy.world
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          9 months ago

          Let’s hope you have the privilege to vote after Nov 5.

          I can assure you they do not feel smug, or above the squabbles. They are probably more freaked out than the multitudes that think Trump can’t possibly win, or a Biden victory saves Democracy. It fundamentally sucks to see where America is headed, and be individually powerless to stop it.

  • Omega_Haxors@lemmy.mlEnglish
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    9 months ago

    The only valid reason to vote for the democrats at this point is to spite the republicans. That’s it.

    Withhold your vote or you’re complicit in genocide.

    • deaf_fish@lemm.ee
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      9 months ago

      Withhold your vote and people who don’t care about or like genocide will decide the future of this country.

  • hamid@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    To me whoever wins doesn’t matter because the US is the country that invades other countries for no reason and then takes pictures of themselves smiling while they electrify the testicles of people defending their homes. Good luck with your voting.

    • Omega_Haxors@lemmy.mlEnglish
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      9 months ago

      The fact liberals are riding and dying for genocide joe is proof that the democrats deserve the bloodbath they’ve set up for themselves when they inevitably lose to the worst candidate possible. The bar is literally underground and they still managed to dig to get under it.

  • fidodo@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    9 months ago

    As bad as establishment candidates tend to be, trump is far far worse. The problem with the trump supporters is they boil everything down to “X bad, so not X good!” Trump was an outsider which is why they supported him, but just being an outsider doesn’t automatically make you good, and in his case he’s far worse.

  • Clot@lemm.ee
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    9 months ago

    two party system is 50% dictatorship, glad my country have multi party system

  • Grayox@lemmy.mlOP
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    9 months ago

    The way to fight the 2 party system, starts at the grass roots and grows upwards, you can Not fight it from the top down.

    • metallic_z3r0@infosec.pub
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      9 months ago

      The only other fast way to fight it is with violence, but without clear national unity and already decent leadership it usually results in some form of autocracy, making the situation worse.

      • _NoName_@lemmy.ml
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        9 months ago

        I think you’ve falsely equated violence with revolution.

        There are currently arsonists in Atlanta and elsewhere in the US fighting the creation of cop city and projects like it via property damage. That is violence with no danger of creating an autocracy. I’d argue the Black Panthers, the Suffragettes and the IRA all used violence which posed no danger of autocracy.

        I do agree that strong group unity, some form of multistate participation, and good leadership and structure, are all very important for it to yield positive results.

        Edit: put NRA instead of IRA, fuck me. Fixed now.