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  • I don’t know why, but I really didn’t enjoy it. I like pretty much every single critically acclaimed game there is, but Disco Elysium bored the hell out of me. It was basically a visual novel with this clunky split personality disorder thing going on. The humour was pretty “so THAT just happened” which explains why it got so popular with Redditors.

    Idk, I played it until I got to some group of union workers arguing on some big wall before I just couldn’t stomach any more.









  • Ah okay, thanks for the explanation.

    I think a lot of your argument boils down to “Us vs Nature”, that the farm life of a cow is preferable to what might happen in the wild.

    Don’t forget that male cow (steer) are typically killed on their first birthday, with some pasturalised cattle getting to live until 3. A cow is meant to live until 15-20. Male chickens are ground up or gassed upon birth. Dairy cows are kept constantly pregnant and separated from calves until they dry up and are no longer profitable by which time they’re immediately slaughtered. Sows are kept in sow stalls so cramped they can’t physically move, often never seeing daylight their entire life.

    I think I’d take freedom over that.

    If an alien species does come down, you’d hope they’d be more moral than us humans and wouldn’t factory farm us huh.

    I don’t advocate for a complete vegan diet to start with if you can’t. Every meal you don’t eat meat is better for you, the animal and the planet. Substituting ingredients is easy, especially with fake mince - it’s probably the best faux meat there is.


  • I tend to be bloodthirsty and violent

    No kidding. You aren’t refuting the Appeal To History Fallacy, you’re doubling down even. Cavemen used tribalistically murder and rape, that doesn’t mean it’s okay to do now. You’re smarter than that. You don’t need to do things because cavemen once did.

    Alfafa is the culprit of high water use You originally said vegan diets are worse for water use. I refuted you. You’ve basically replied with “that’s because cattle eat food that use more water”. They still use more water. Every meat eater purports to buy their meat “from the farmer next door”. However pasture raised cattle require longer life spans before slaughter (18-30 months old instead of 13-15) due to a reduced energy-dense diet. The water reduction isn’t that much.

    Local aquafure use is used more in almond production than beef

    Forgetting that almonds (which I suggest people DONT eat) use 50% less water than cows, groundwater was the source of 62% of total livestock withdraws in the US. I agree that almonds are too water intensive, we should shift to soy which uses >20x less water.

    I don’t give a fuck

    Which is what I said at the beginning. The only valid argument against veganism is when someone says “I know a vegan diet is healthier, better for the planet and better for the animals, but I still choose to kill and eat animals”. There’s no arguing against someone who ignores reason to satisfy their tastebuds.

    I’m autistic and don’t like veges

    I’m sure if an autistic cannibal came along and said “I don’t like the texture of animals, I only eat human children and women” we wouldn’t accept that as an excuse.


  • threeduck@aussie.zonetoMemes@lemmy.mlSome cows lactose
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    9 months ago

    I… don’t understand your point, are you being purposefully vague? How did you parents die that wasn’t preferable to your dogs?

    In the case of this argument, if an alien species did land on earth and treat us like cattle for food (based on our own subjugation of “lesser species”), are you saying that’s fine because you “want the right to die”?

    I really really don’t get what you’re trying to say here.


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    a lot of livestock is less intensive

    Haha it’s literally the opposite. Plant based agriculture grows 512% more pounds of food than animal-based agriculture, with 69% of the land. Animal agriculture uses more water, emits more greenhouse gas, uses more land, and produces less of the world’s nutritional needs. You may be referring to “regenerative farming” with animal excrement fertilising soil, but crop rotation and reduced over-tilling is equally efficacious.

    Almond milk uses more water

    Wrong again. It takes 628 litres of water to make a litre of bovine milk, 371 for almond milk, and 28 for soy (which is what I drink, for that very reason).

    It takes more labour to grow crops than animal farming

    I can’t find any source either way on that, pasture.io says crop farming requires less physical labour, but they don’t seem to cite anything. What I do know is that slaughterhouse workers have severely increased risk of mental health disorders directly resulting from their work.

    Follow my ancestors philosophy

    Ah, the Appeal To History Fallacy, my ancestors did ritual slaughter of virgins so it’s morally okay to continue doing so!

    To sum up, it really sounds like you haven’t done literally any research here. If the world swapped to veganism, global land use for agriculture would reduce by 75%. Food related emissions would reduce by 70% (that’s 15% of the ENTIRE world’s greenhouse gas emissions). And that doesn’t even mention animal welfare concerns.

    Feel free to reply - I have overwhelming scientific support. I remember when I wasn’t vegan, desperately searching for ANY studies that supported my desire to continue living a destructive, immoral lifestyle. In the end, I just listened to logic and reason and turned vegan.