• sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
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    8 hours ago

    We live in a society with prisons that currently house millions of people who shouldn’t be there.

    Preach!

    Not sure I agree with your next statement which smacks of genocide, but I guess I’d need to see your definition first (with specific examples). That’ll likely get both of us on a list, so perhaps leave it at that.

    Barrack Obama did nothing to prevent fascism

    In fact, he arguably made things worse. But the man has some good quotes, even if he didn’t seem to live them.

    I also just honestly love that you defended

    I’ll defend good arguments, regardless of the source or original intent. I’m not here to win an argument, I’m here to discuss ideas, and ideas don’t take sides.

    Saying that you’re not a progressive is as good as saying you don’t really care if Nazis take over again.

    Non-sequitur much?

    You also ignored 90% of what I had to say about Hitler.

    My post was long enough, so I cut some corners. I don’t really see the point in rehashing the pre-WW2 German political and social situation.

    Do you believe that Hitler just came along to find a Germany that was already

    I think he succeeded because Germany was already primed for it. The people were destitute, desperate, and felt wronged, and Hitler channeled and focused that into a single, tangible enemy.

    Socialists use “capitalists,” US conservatives use “woke,” and progressives use “hate speech,” though none seem nearly as effective as Hitler’s marketing, unless conditions are right. Lenin and Stalin succeeded because everyone hated the Tsar, but Trump succeeded because Democrats completely dropped the ball despite largely missing why people were pissed (and it’s not because of LGBT folk, it’s because stuff is expensive). The options in 2024 were more of the same or Trump’s promise to grow our way out. The former was probably the better deal, but the latter sounds better on paper.

    Hitler won because he tapped into a common frustration (poverty and anger at reparations), and was able to redirect it at a latent concern that he could alleviate. People like simple solutions like “it’s their fault, if we take them out, our problems will be fixed.” Look at the messaging here on Lemmy, “eat the rich,” “Luigi was right,” etc. It’s the same kind of redirection Hitler and Lenin used to get power.

    Trump kind of had that in 2016 with “drain the swamp” (people hate corrupt politicians), but he failed to deliver. He didn’t seem to find that same mark this time, but Harris fumbled so hard (said she wouldn’t have changed anything about Biden’s term) that he was able to win. People here like to blame Twitter/X, but I really don’t think that was a significant contributor.