Former German diplomat Wolfgang Ischinger says Western leaders should be making more threats and be willing to follow them through.

The West should spend less time fretting about Russian President Vladimir Putin’s red lines and set its own, says veteran German diplomat Wolfgang Ischinger.

“Russia keeps saying, if you do this, if you cross this or that red line, we might escalate,” said the 78-year-old onetime chairman of the Munich Security Conference. “Why don’t we turn this thing around and say to them: ‘We have lines and if you bomb one more civilian building, then you shouldn’t be surprised if, say, we deliver Taurus cruise missiles or America allows Ukraine to strike military targets inside Russia’?”

That way the onus will be on Moscow to decide whether to cross the red lines — or face the consequences.

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      1 month ago

      That’s not an answer to the question though, you are advocating for the dissolution, so let’s put it on the table…

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          No, you made a statement that required a follow up question… requiring you to elaborate. But I have the feeling that you are answering like this cause you simply refuse to say the quiet part out loud, or are to cowardly to come out and say it. But that’s OK. I think most people reading your response get what you mean.

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            But I have the feeling that you are answering like this cause you simply refuse to say the quiet part out loud, or are to cowardly to come out and say it

            Every accusation is a confession

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              Sure… you still are dancing around specifying what your dissolution of the state of Israel would look like.

              I’d personally like to see Netanyahu in a small concrete cell in Scheveningen… just so we’re clear.

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                Im dancing around what i hoped youd eventually figure out: to be clear, i really don’t respect your ridiculous red herring)

                Go look up red herring, realize how silly you just looked and improve your debate skills.

                Elsewhere.

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                  My red herring? You open by making a statement that could easily mean eliminating all Jews and when asked what you mean you refuse to specify (or concoct some kumbaya alternate reality fiction). Instead you blurt that the question is flippant. And now you say red herring as if that somehow absolves you of taking a position that has no basis in reality or a position that just wishes all Jews to dissapear.

                  The situation in Israël is neither clear cut nor easy. And since one side (Israël) holds all the power I would expect that side to come up with a just and equitable solution that works for Palestinians too… and that is not what they are currently doing… We see war mongering genocidal idealogs run their campaign of destruction simply because Bibi needs war to stay out of jail. The reason why these right wing extremist settlers are in the Israeli government in turn has its basis in constant shelling of Israel proper. Which continue because Israël refuses to provide their neighbors with an equitable solution and not keep settling the west bank.

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                    Incorrect. Israel should cease to exist ==mean jew elimination no matter how hard or often you say it. Its frankly appalling you dont get this.

                    Israel should cease to exist. It never should have existed, and what it deserves is dissolution. Your insulting followup “questions” are based on your personal feelings and are a red herring no matter how strong your feelings are.

                    Seriously, go look up red herring before you forget.