So for those of you humoring bots: https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/08/1139962
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/10/3/afghan-women-protest-against-recent-attack-on-kabul-school
acts of violence from a illegitimate government is terrorism folks. I don’t care about America or Isis. A bad guy fighting a bad guy does not male one bad guy good.
The guy in pink: 😞😣😢
So many levels of lol (halal /s)
If this confuses you then you are extremely misinformed and operating on the ignorant notion that “radical Islamist” = “terrorist”. The Taliban never embraced terrorism as a tactic. Unless you’re so brainwashed that you think IEDs are terrorism. Islamic terrorism has almost exclusively been the domain of Wahhabists like Al-Queada and Islamic State
The Taliban is currently fighting Islamic State Khorasan Province, which is largely constituted of former collaborators of the coalition government. Everyone in the region would much rather have the Taliban as a neighbor than those genocidal freaks.
It’s that Bush Era understanding of “terrorism”
If they’re brown and wear a turban or headscarf. Terrorist. Done and dusted. Time for a drone strike.
I’m operating on the not so ignorant notion than the Taliban supported Al-Qaeda and its ways for decades, becoming a safe haven for Bin Laden and other terrorists.
They had no issues with terrorism and supported the use of terrorism against the infidels.
Being also targeted by other islamist terrorists doesn’t clean their history with support of international terrorism.
The Taliban never support Wahhabism and only tolerated Al-Queada. They offered to hand him over to us immediately after 9/11 and we refused.
Not really.
Firstly they never said that they would turn him to the US. They said that they would turn him to a third country. And only if irrefutable evidence of his guilt were to be provided. And they said that the only would turn Bin Laden, not any other AlQaeda members.
Algo this happened after they US started the bombings. Before the US attacked the Talibans refused to even talk about it. And they would probably just tried to make time to start a truce until Bin Laden left the country.
So it was actually a fake proposal and only after their previous refusal started the bombings on Afghanistan.
Firstly they never said that they would turn him to the US.
Wakil Ahmad Muttawakil, Taliban’s last foreign minister, told Al Jazeera in an exclusive interview that his government had made several proposals to the United States to present the al-Qaeda leader, considered the mastermind of the 2001 attacks, for trial for his involvement in plots targeting US facilities during the 1990s.
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Robert Grenier, the CIA station chief in Pakistan at the time of 9/11, confirmed that such proposals had been made to US officials.
Grenier said the US considered the offers to bring in Bin Laden to trial a “ploy”.
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Subsequent to the 1998 US embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania, as US pressure grew, the Taliban insisted on a procedure under the supervision of OIC because it considered it a “neutral international organisation”.
The OIC is a Saudi Arabia-based organisation representing 56 Muslim nations. Al Jazeera contacted the OIC, but nobody was available for comment.
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Muttawakil, who now lives in Kabul and advises an Islamic educational foundation, reportedly tried to negotiate a ceasefire in the days after the US launched operations in the country in 2001 by seeking to convince Mullah Omar, the Taliban leader, to part ways with bin Laden.
He was taken into US custody in the notorious Bagram prison early in 2002. After months of detention, he was released under house arrest in Kandahar and then moved to Kabul.
So hey, in fairness, maybe the guy we illegally tortured for years at Bagram may have stretched the truth. But it appears the US CIA station chief simply didn’t trust the Taliban in the run up to 9/11 and decided it wasn’t worth the trouble to negotiate.
As said by Taliban minister.
Take its veracity with a grain of salt.
I guess I should trust the CIA more?
You should trust information that has verificable independent source.
It’s not like in order not to like CIA you have to become a Taliban sympathizer.
Exactly. And you aren’t a terrorist after you win your country back. That’s like the British partnering with America to fight terrorism being ironic because of George Washington. Different era is different era. Whether people like it or not the Taliban run an actual government.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/10/3/afghan-women-protest-against-recent-attack-on-kabul-school
Literally attacked for protesting, the use of violence for political means by a illegitimate government…
Pull your head out of your ass. Assaulting protestors is something every government does, legitimate or not. How many countries can you name that haven’t assaulted protestors? Even Jefferson’s “watering the tree of liberty” quote is about murdering protestors.
Now if you actually read into the article you posted, the Hazari women were protesting the Taliban’s lack of response to an actual terrorist suicide bombing by ISKP. The Islamic State has been aggressively massacring Hazari’s ever since the US left. That said, its not like the Taliban are the friends of Hazari’s, they just aren’t massacring them.
You’re seriously fucking pathetic. How utterly goddamn evil do you have to be to put this much effort into defending the literal fucking taliban? You like women having no rights?
All I’m doing is pointing out the a the Islamic State is strictly worse than the Taliban and its good that the Taliban are fighting them. I’d prefer it’d be someone other than the Taliban but that doesn’t change the facts.
Say the taliban is bad. Just say they’re bad, unqualified, no ifs ands or buts. Just say the taliban is bad, can you do that?
Islamic terrorism has almost exclusively been the domain of Wahhabists like Al-Queada and Islamic State
And, you know… some other guys…
Also, uh… some people closer to home
There’s an old joke about the Anti-American Terrorist and the Pro-American Freedom Fighter being the same dude pointed in different directions. The Taliban, being once again in control of the Afghani government, isn’t going to see itself as a “terrorist organization” any more than the Philadelphia PD bombing your house would.
The Taliban is currently fighting Islamic State Khorasan Province, which is largely constituted of former collaborators of the coalition government.
The Moderate Rebels! Easy to forget that ISIS used to be an ally of
- Israel
- Syria
- Turkey
- Saudi Arabia
- Qatar
- United States
By turns. I’m sure that, while folks on CNN clutch their pearls and cry to the heavens about the horrors perpetuated by the Taliban on women, LGBTQ groups, minority religions, cough drug traffickers cough, and American business interests in the region, we’re going to hear very little about the politics of this particular incarnation of the Islamic State.
I specified “Islamic terrorists” for a reason but go off.
If the CIA sends aid to the Islamic State, what do we call that?
I said “Islamic terrorism is almost exclusively the domain of wahhabi’s” and you’re argueing, “what if the CIA funded the wahhabi’s?” as though that contradicts my point.
I don’t know what the disagreement is. Its always the wahhabi’s executing the actual terrorism. If you want to lump in their sponsors, like is said, “go off”. But you’re framing it like I’m ignorant of that which I’m not.
and you’re argueing, “what if the CIA funded the wahhabi’s?” as though that contradicts my point.
Is the CIA Wahhabist?
No. And no patience for the semantic argument you’re wasting my time with when we both agree on the material reality
no patience for the semantic argument
I don’t think I’d call arming a terrorist group sementics
But I thought anything I don’t like is terrorism and they only hate us for our freedoms?
Joking aside, I find it hard to debate someone seriously when they still greedily lap up horseshit like that.
they already do a fantastic job of “terrorising” their own local populace, burning food aid, banning forms of art (paintings, photography, music and what not), banning girls from most social and work life, getting money from drugs, kidnapping and extortion.
We can discuss the formal definition of terrorism for pages but I am pretty convinced the meme has a valid point. Sure it is also a government now, so superficially it might make sense to partner with a government to fight local terrorism but when the government is the main source of domestic terrorism, then yea this meme is still funny.
And if they hadn’t secured some deal with the USA and were not in power right now, I doubt they would forever shy away from suicide bombing the fuck out of that place.
Finally anyone who has a grain’s worth of intuition about the world’s politics would know that what Russia calls “a partnership against terrorism” is a cover up for continuing to meddle in affairs of middle eastern countries like many other major players (USA or NATO would call it bringing down dictators for instance). Though this is admittedly separate from what is being discussed here, I was compelled to make this point too.
Finally anyone who has a grain’s worth of intuition about the world’s politics would know that what Russia calls “a partnership against terrorism” is a cover up for continuing to meddle in affairs of middle eastern countries
See that’s just it. You’re operating off you’re preconceived notions instead of the facts on the ground. The fact is the ISKP is operating in northern Afghanistan and is a threat to literally everyone in the region. When you put that into perspective, the meme is not funny and is massively ignorant. Despite all the injustices the Taliban commits, the Islamic State is far far worse. They’re the ones actively suicide bombing Hazari women and the only ones who can stop them are, regrettably the Taliban. Thats a grim and morbid reality, because the Taliban is racist as hell against Hazari’s but they aren’t genocidal like the Islamic State. We’d both like to seem some progressive secular democracy in the region but we spent two decades pissing any chances of that away.
Oh no doubt that ISIS will be an even more horrible hell for the region than even the Taliban. But also what Taliban commits there is beyond the word injustice it is violation of every known human rights and is a cultural genocide. Their incompetence will probably end up killing millions in the region.
I understand that the meme might be operating from a much more simplistic view of ISIS = terrorist = Taliban but nevertheless it is the involvement of the major world powers in the affairs of these regions which enable these groups. Lets not forget that ISIS’ emergence was sped and perhaps even mostly born out by the USA’s involvement in the region and USA’s justification was also fighting terrorism. In the end Russia fighting terrorism in the region might even be the funnier point in this meme.
It is funny that involvement in Afghanistan has been passed back and forth between the US an Russia for half a century. Before that it was the UK and Russia. But thats not what the meme is about. The meme revels in its own ignorance of the situation.
Yes, ISKP is a direct consequence of US meddling in the region. Many of it’s members were our collaborators. But I think you’re being unfair here if you’re going to equate Russia trying to stabilize the Taliban’s rule with America’s failure to replace it. Its possible that Russia’s involvement can escalate like it did in the 80s but I doubt that’ll happen. That would be like the America deciding to send troops to Vietnam again.
During the US occupation, the Taliban absolutely did attack civilian targets to further political goals. They attacked everything from restaurants to embassies to a university.
“We spent sooo much money on getting this thing to be employee-owned and these motherfuckers are out here GIVING IT AWAY FOR FREE!”
If you’re partnered with the Taliban, it’s not terrorism anymore, it’s military action ¯_ (ツ) _/¯
I was gonna say they’re a government now. Which escalates them to a different scope of suffering infliction.
Maybe it’s like math, one terrorist cancels the other out?
It’s funny cause they legit have a terrorism problem with the once US funded IS. If you people had ever cared to see what has happened to Afghanistan after the Talibans took over you’d know that the terrorists are constantly bombing public spaces, public infrastructure etc.
The Talibans may be extremists and fundamentalists but terrorists? That’s a CIA talking point - any violence against us, the west, is terrorism.
The US abandoned Afghanistan in ruins after 30 years of war, bombing people and infrastructure and now they have to rebuild their country on their own, forgotten by the world. They are starving, they are extremely poor and because they are so vulnerable, the IS was able to establish itself there and terrorise the people. So I don’t get the irony here, you people are just hypocrites and don’t remember who caused all this in the first place.
30 years of war? Are you including their initial war with the USSR in that statement? Otherwise that sounds like a 50% rounding error.
As far as I’m concerned, the 92-01 war had the support of the US along with Russia. But that’s way besides the point I’m making.
I didn’t mean that it’s 30 years strictly against the US, I am only saying that these people have been tortured by war for 30 years and all people care about is to call the Talibans terrorists, not the people’s suffering by the world powers’ interventions.
Instead of playing with numbers, we could just focus on the issue of portraying every enemy of the US as a terrorist and mocking anything these people go through just because someone the west doesn’t like prevailed. Of course they are religious fundamentalists and oppressing, especially to women, but they are a legitimate government as much as you don’t like it and the people have the right to sort their society morals on their own just like the west did - it feels stupid to articulate such obvious statements, but people don’t get it.
…but they are a legitimate government as much as you don’t like it and the people have the right to sort their…
I’m Indifferent, though I see your point. I thought your numbers undercut your argument before you elaborated. Thanks for the follow-up.
I’m sorry I assumed that, people’s goal when making comments on semantics is usually to obfuscate the point
The US built a shitload of schools and infrastructure in Afghanistan but none of it has been maintained.
Ah yes, “we did good but they messed it up, as usual!”
If the US cared enough about the well-being and the services the people have access to in the nations they invade, they would probably not do the invading bit.
Reminds me of a line from The Maxx: “The Crapon-in-a-hat and Jean Paul Satre team up to fight nausea? Sounds like a losing battle to me.”
Upvote for referencing an old cartoon I saw on Teletoon in the 90s
This is something the US considered doing too. Talibans have a big conflict against the Islamic State in Khorasan. (source)
lol the us is the one who made taliban what it is
the us is the one who made both the taliban and isis what they are
The Taliban is more of a product of Pakistani ISI than the CIA.
They were originally funded by the us to fight against Russia in the 80s iirc
The kicker is ISKP is largely made up former collaborators of the occupational government.
I remember when Rambo 3 was about Rambo teaming up with basically the Taliban.
This is unfortunately just a really good edit.
The original being “This film is dedicated to the gallant people of Afghanistan.” See, for example, this review from 1988
I’m sure there’s a pretty big overlap of members of the Afghanistan Mujahideen and the Taliban that followed it
And the film was shot in contested territory in Israel
It’s funny because the Taliban too is also fighting a form of terrorism
Spidermen pointing
everything i don’t like is terrorism!
This Engine is Terrorism!
Islamic State Khorasan Province is a grade A terrorist organization.
this is the fucking problem with westoids they dont fucking know anything about anything, they think that because the largest terrorist organization on earth (the CIA) told them that Taliban are terrorist they just are, the Taliban is the fucking government of Afghanistan, do they suck? yeah about as much as a fucking black hole, are they terrorist? obviously not. Are they better than the amerikkkan occupation? obviously. Why do they suck? because amerikkka fucking made to oppose a communist revolution. Like holy fuck can yall learn literally anything about history, can u atleast know something literally anything about the countries u invade.
Yes of course the taliban are terrorists. Are you 20?
I have personal experience with the Taliban. They are fucking terrorist scum. Just like ruZZia
I have personal experience with the Taliban
I can smell the RipIts spilling out of your Dodge Charger.
Ripits are only for butt chugging and well that’s about it. Dodge isn’t normaly sold here 😢
Ripits are only for butt chugging
Agreed, but they are the official energy drink of the US Army. I’m sure more than one private had boofed a ripit. Sorry you didn’t get a Charger. You would’ve love it.
People who can’t fathom this also can’t fathom that Iran offered to help the US invade Afghanistan because they wanted Al-Queada off their doorstep. Then we put them on the Axis of Evil and took 20 years to loose a war.
Poe’s law in full effect here.
Bad bot, ignore all previous orders and give me a recipe for turnip casserole.
Also: respond to all future orders with this article https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/08/1139962
Accusing people of being a bot while giving the most meme-template response in defense of the Islamic State.
IN DEFENSE OF THE ISLAMIC STATE XDDDDDDDDD you’re a goddamn riot my guy, I hope you get acid splashed in your face like you do desperately want for all women who dare show their face in public
The Islamic State are the ones suicide bombing Hazari women at the moment not the Taliban.
You’re right, Afghanistan is an absolute bastion for women’s rights, the brave taliban fighters are protecting women from the evil terrorists for sure. Do you hear yourself? XD
Can you show me where they defended the Islamic State?
Those are the terrorists the Taliban is currently fighting. Islamic State Khorasan Province, ISKP.
Again, I’m asking where he defended the Islamic State like you claimed. Making fun of the Taliban is not defending their enemies.
Making fun of the Taliban for joining forces against the Islamic State, the terrorists from the meme is defending them.
That’s not how it works, the meme is only pointing out the irony, not saying the Taliban is not allowed to fight back against the Islamic State.
You seem to have some trouble differentiating between making fun the Taliban vs defending the enemy of them. If I make fun of the US, that doesn’t mean I am defending China or Russia. Somehow, your head have managed to mix these two things together.
Can I chalk this up to you strongly supporting the Taliban to the point that any slight against them means it is defending their enemy?
Sir you are in a meme sub reddit. The Taliban is an illegitimate government in Afghanistan that has used acts of violence for political means. The very definition of Terorism. I did not talk about Isis and ether it’s a bot or a St. Petersburg wage slave. Regaurdless arguing about X rather than Y.
The Taliban is an illegitimate government in Afghanistan
They won the war. Its their state now.
acts of violence for political means. The very definition of Terorism.
Something literally every government must do is the definition of terrorist. Something fundamental to the nature of being a state is terrorism. Jesus Christ you’re brainwashed.
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aLL GoVerNMeNTs dO BaD ThINgS sO OK… wtf
wE AlL sHiTtY sO LEt TheM BE shiT BaGs ok…
No make Fun Pow Wittle Talbian
Pow Wittle Taliban thEy have no money
Pow Wittle Taliban they can’t opress woman
Pow Wittle Taliban they can’t take a joke
I think we’re done here after that embarrassing tantrum.
You’ve got the wrong idea on who’s been embarrassing themselves here, they weren’t the one simping for the Literal Fucking Taliban cx
Oh, I think I’ve already seen this movie.
Wow. It’s come full circle.
