The Dutch beach volleyball player who served time in prison after he was convicted of raping a 12-year-old girl in England has won his second match at the Paris Olympics.

Dutch beach volleyball player Steven van de Velde, who served time in prison after he was convicted of raping a 12-year-old girl, won his second match at the Paris Olympics and received an even harsher reaction from the crowd on Wednesday than for his first match.

  • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldMEnglish
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    3 months ago

    Cool. You still can’t have a fair election without election laws to ensure that.

    Believe it or not, people are not all naturally honest and honorable.

    • sandbox@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      3 months ago

      You’re going in circles. I have never used the term “election”, nor have I said that there can be no rules. I have said repeatedly that rules would exist - just that they could be simple.

      I absolutely believe that people aren’t honest and honourable. That’s why I have been talking about consensus decisionmaking and abolishing power structures. I fully believe that power corrupts and therefore all unnecessary structures and hierarchies must be abolished. That includes money. Governments. Countries. States. Courts. The police. The whole lot has to go. It is the only way for a fair and equal society.

      And you’re out here talking about how US judges are elected, fucking lol.

      • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldMEnglish
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        3 months ago

        You said they would be democratically elected. That requires an election. So give me these simple election rules please.

        • sandbox@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          3 months ago

          Yeah, go ahead and quote where I wrote the phrase “democratically elected”. I know my own ideology better than you do.

          • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldMEnglish
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            3 months ago

            This is what you said:

            I didn’t say randomly selected, I said selected with some kind of fair and democratic process.

            If you didn’t mean an election, what did you mean? What is a democratic process that doesn’t involve a vote?

            • sandbox@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              3 months ago

              Yes, correct. Plurality or majority voting, which is how we usually talk about elections, necessarily imposes the will of a majority upon minorities, and is thus not democratic.

              Again, I’m not saying I have all the answers here - acting like I know best, better than everyone else, is itself not democratic. My position is, and always has been, that we need to get together and collectively determine the answers to these questions through consensus.

              All I can share with you are some of my own ideas, which aren’t anywhere near as inclusive as I would like. I try to consider other people as best I can, and I try to think of as many bases to cover as I can, but I am imperfect and I acknowledge that.

              But ultimately the answer to your question is generally going to be consensus-building and involving all concerned people in the decision making process, in some way.