• Stumblinbear@pawb.social
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    9 months ago

    Immoral? For making you watch ads? How are ads immoral? You’re using the service, you watch ads, it’s not rocket surgery

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        9 months ago

        Fuck that noise. Advertising as a whole is mostly immoral, we just got used to it.

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          9 months ago

          Marketing in general is a reason we live in a consumer society.

          The only reason marketing exist is to trick our brains into buying stuff we do not need.

          I’d say ban all of it. The world would be better off.

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        9 months ago

        Uh. It’s not immoral to read the data they’ve served to you on the page they’re visiting on their own website. I’m honestly genuinely curious what moral argument you could make, here

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          9 months ago

          they are taking information from your browser without getting your permission first, to use that information against you.

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            They’d argue that you going to their page which you know is sustained by ads is consent enough to check whether you’re using ad block. It’s an implicit thing, like how when you go to a restaurant you’re implying that you’re going to pay the bill afterward. You can’t eat and then leave saying, “well technically I never explicitly agreed to pay for this meal, it’s your fault for not asking before serving me.”

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            9 months ago

            They’re taking information from the page they served you and runs the code they wrote to read the page they served you to ensure what they served you is actually what you’re seeing

            You’re accessing the site, you’re continuing to use the site, you are implicitly agreeing to allow the code they run to modify the page you’re on

            I fail to see how it specifically being used to check that ads are displaying is any different from code running normally in your browser to change the page without refreshing the page entirely

            More importantly and actually on subject: how is this immoral? What moral code are they breaking here? You can argue legal semantics, but legality is not morality. You made a moral argument. How is this immoral?

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              9 months ago

              Google is tracking you on every website that has a “share to Google” icon.

              Which means Google has your entire browser history, even if you use Firefox.

              If it was just on their own websites, nobody would be complaining.

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      9 months ago

      People on here are just out of touch. They call others immoral, yet don’t see the irony of using other people’s resources and time without proper compensation and not calling it immoral.

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        9 months ago

        Youtube makes money off of adblocked users.

        They send your watch habit aggregate data profiles to the number crunchers at alphabet hq, to sell off.

        They make fuckloads of money off the free video content theyre given as well as the nonstop data stream of demographics data. Thats why alphabet bought it in the first place.

        The ads are just bonus cash. They dont want to miss an opportunity to score more money by selling ad space in their data profile mines.

        They are being fully compensated by me logging in and feeding them either free labor as video content or free money as data profiles. They can easily keep the lights on off that alone. They dont need more free cash.

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          That’s not for you to say if it’s “fully compensated” or not. They say “here is the service we provide, where is what we want from you”. If you reject any part of what they want from you, it’s immoral even if it’s not illegal.

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            9 months ago

            I am not obligated to sit dutifully with the volume up when ads play on my tv.

            Nor am I obligated to allow ads to load within my browser.

            They send the data they want me to display, down to every element on the page. It is fully within my rights to choose which elements are allowed to load on my computer.

            And I wont be fuckin guilt tripped that the billion dollar company will make a fraction of another billion less dollars this quarter over my decisions to do so.

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              Has anyone said you have to stay there with the volume up? Or even watch your screen? You’re just full of bad faith.

              Also, I didn’t say illegal, I said immoral, which is what you accused them of being. You’re not following their ToS, and you’re trying to make yourself feel better about it.

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                9 months ago

                TOS are neither the law, nor are they vetted for legality by anyone working in law enforcement.

                TOS very often contain straight up illegal clauses; they are largely meaningless.

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                  9 months ago

                  My argument for that is “yesterday I ate some salad”. It’s just as relevant to what you just said because once again, it has nothing to do with what’s being said.