I’m assuming this has something to do with the update to 19.4 that somehow messed up the Lemmy Crawler. awesome-lemmy-instances seems to have a similar problem.
I don’t think @lodion@aussie.zone’s information is correct because I remember seeing lemmy.ml in the instance filter list just a while ago.
Also: What does any of this have to do with the moderation of lemmy.ml? I also don’t like their moderation but does that mean the instance and their communities shouldn’t be visible on the Lemmy Explorer? Who should decide which instance should or should not be included on the list? If you want to avoid the instance like I do you can just use the filter to remove lemmy.ml communities on the community browser of the Lemmy Explorer.
Thanks, I just noticed lemm.ee, lemmy.zip, lemmy.ca etc. missing too, so definitely a 19.4 issue.
Also: What does any of this have to do with the moderation of lemmy.ml? I also don’t like their moderation but does that mean the instance and their communities shouldn’t be visible on the Lemmy Explorer? Who should decide which instance should or should not be included on the list? If you want to avoid the instance like I do you can just use the filter to remove lemmy.ml communities on the community browser of the Lemmy Explorer.
Strong agree.
That’s a good thing!
It was removed deliberately during the reddit exodus in order to direct new Lemmy users elsewhere. Rather than to overload lemmy.ml further.
Oh, interesting. I guess now it should probably be added back
Shithole instance.
Well it’s definitely not Reddit lite.
That’s quite a bad way to express yourself.
But then, the Lemmy front-page sending unsuspecting new people into a place where they will censored if they try to speak against of dictators and human rights violations isn’t a good thing. So yeah, Lemmy is better with the ML not listed.
I’m on Lemmy.ml and am anything but a “tankie”. Love it here. Tonnes of tech/variedposts in my main subscribed feed and I’ve never noticed anything other than a minimal dose of drama…Facebook or Reddit are much more toxic in comparison which is part of the reason I left those places.
Plenty of nice people on Lemmy.ml, sorry for the commenter above
There are some nice people. However that does not negate the glaring issues with the instance.
Not even close, all they are is useful idiots legitimizing authoritarian propaganda.
Ur getting a censored experience the censorship they have locally is hardcore.
This is the type of comment written by people that talk about .ml but never actually go to .ml
Plenty of uncensored criticism of both China and Russia. Just don’t scream at everyone that they are a tankie.
Lmao. I have been to .ml plenty. I have gotten banned for simply mentioning the time Russia shot down a civilian airliner. Twice!
Context: rule 1 is about xenophobia/racism.
Yep. Plenty of china criticism allowed in .ml
Interesting
Thanks for linking this, this is indeed more censorship than I have seen from other users and this does adjust my opinion of their censorship. Most of your comment is not entirely accurate (and weird as infrastructure is what the public uses) but this line does stand out
They should not have their entire population as slaves
Anyway I don’t think that deserves a ban. Thanks for the heads up.
You can’t imagine how wrong you are.
I say defederate the fucking bastards.
Are insults really necessary?
As long as you don’t post any uncomfortable facts about China.
Naw… It’s okay. We’re good.
Yep.
lemmy.world should be removed though.
Now I wish I can move between instances without losing everything.
Also, to push people to other instances to avoid centralization.
Best instance stays winning.
I’d call that a win
Uhhhhhhh…I don’t know. I just got here a month ago. I spent May smoking so much weed that I do NOT remember the bulk of May. Including the days that led me to Lemmy.
All I know, is I went through a very bad time in late April. So I just said to myself “too much shit is going down. I don’t even give a fuck anymore.”
And so it was. I was baked out of my mind for like 3-4 weeks straight. I’ve never done that before, but honestly, I needed that.
And now that I’m sober, somehow I mostly know what I’m doing within my own bubble on lemmy, but I would NOT call myself an advanced power user of Lemmy.
I learned while high, and although I retained what I learned, I don’t remember learning it.
So now this is a new thing about Lemmy. I know of https://browse.feddit.de/ but I don’t know of fediverse explorer.
Explain the difference between the thing I linked, which I think I was told is the be all end all of Lemmy community searching, and this Fediverse Explorer?
I’m excited for this Fediverse. I’m all in on this. I love the seperation, the redundancy, the freedom. But I feel like I’m in kindergarten, and you guys are like “check out this algebra!”
And I’m like “Do what now?”
Explain the difference between the thing I linked, which I think I was told is the be all end all of Lemmy community searching, and this Fediverse Explorer?
They have a different way to present things. I prefer Fediverse Explorer (more information with the table format), but to each their own.
Ah. So it’s not one being better than the other. It’s more a case of layout taste.
THIS IS WHY I LOVE THIS FEDIVERSE!!!
Other platforms would tell you “this is what this service is, this is how it looks, it’s all you’re getting, so kneel down, shut the fuck up and take this corporate dick down your throat!”
Meanwhile the fediverse is more like:
“This is the thing you use. It’s great!”
And then another guy is like “No, wait, try this instead. It’s better.”
So now you have to try both, snd make your own conclusion.
Or maybe there’s a third thing I don’t even know about. Theres no law saying that ONLY two options are available. There’s no limit. You could show me 500 different options.
Nobody can tell you what to use, what not to use, whats better…thats all stuff for the user to decide.
Good luck with your hard times. It gets better
I don’t know how to answer your question, but I do have a long unrelated anecdote to share followed by some questions of my own.
Nice one dude. High memories run deep 😤
They basically do the same thing but the interface is better on this one.
Oooooohhhhhh…thank you! I’ve been on Lemmy for a bit but still have a lot to learn about the fediverse.
Weird my vegantheoryclub.org instance shows up on browse.feddit.de but not lemmyverse.net
For some reason !weedtime@lemmy.world is not on browse.feddit.de but is on lemmyverse.net
Huh that is weird.
Thanks for the community though, don’t know how I’ve never seen that one yet. Lemmy is actually bigger than people think sometimes.
I figured this all out and it was all my fault. I had a WAF rule blocking fediverse traffic on by accident and my instance had the allow list configured by me while stoned and I didn’t realize that blocked everything that wasn’t on it.
It is, someone should probably open an issue on the Github: https://github.com/tgxn/lemmy-explorer/issues
…or don’t.
My understanding is that Lemmy.ml is not exactly a nice place. Lots of drama. I’m staying out. But it very well might be a bad starting point for new users.
Then again I’M a new user, and I have next to no idea what’s going on.
There is some drama, but at the same time some only exist there (see this post: https://lemmy.world/post/16235541)
For instance
So I wouldn’t say it’s such a good idea to not show them at all.
This is a bit of a tangent though - OP was talking about instances, which at least one person said was removed deliberately so as not to overload them - so presumably by their own consent and likely even request?
Whereas here you are talking about communities, which should be visible across the Federation regardless - subject to the standard, complex set of rules (which you are working to lower the barrier for with all your alts pre-subscribing:-).
And to complicate matters further, it sounds like these communities have been missing from that list for many months now already. So this truly might be a unique situation, if that instance has actively removed consent to be listed there? Perhaps they would reconsider offering their consent to listing the communities if asked though?
which at least one person said was removed deliberately so as not to overload them - so presumably by their own consent and likely even request
Presumably being the key word here. It’s not clear based on this comment. It might have been a Lemmyverse decision to remove all of the .ml communities because they disagreed with the instance admins political stances.
Right, I was raising awareness of that specter and suggesting that it would need follow-up research into the history. It looks like that website was announced a year ago but I found nothing (except this OP) about “explorer” & “lemmy.ml” by a quick search in this community or in other communities too. At a guess it would have been discussed offline, i.e. Matrix rather than Lemmy.
Look at this comment: https://feddit.nl/comment/10290637
It’s affecting every 0.19.4 instance, not only lemmy.ml
Fwiw, it has been 7 days since I told you that it was missing from that list. But yeah, it could have been the changes prior to the official roll-out of that version.
Although, v0.19.4 is one possibility yes, but it is also possible that the instance was missing prior to that as well, if they had asked for it to be due to the incoming flood from the Rexodus? i.e. this is not enough to reject the null hypothesis that both things might be true at the same time.
I do not say this b/c of my bias against them - if hexbear.net and lemmygrad.ml are there, then lemmy.ml should likewise not be non-consensually removed either, the issue is whether they asked for it to be removed, or not.
Speaking of, it would be good to place a warning about all 3 of them - people should be free to do as they please, but part of that freedom entails having the knowledge to make a choice. Silence in the face of oppression is not “freedom”, as e.g. Ukranians realize better than any of us today, sadly:-(. Like porn, it is fine for someone to walk in with full knowledge of what lies ahead, it is when it surprises a naive unaware person that it causes problems.
Those communities should be urged to move away from lemmy.ml.
Feel free to organize the migration
I am one of the victims of the censorship you say doesn’t happen, so I am banned on lemmy.ml for making a comment about the Tiananmen Square massacre.
Where did I say that censorship does not happen?
I’ve been busy posting to !linux@programming.dev for the last week following your post.
You don’t need to have an account on lemmy.ml to organize the migration (I did not post there). Organizing the migration means
- select an existing community that could act as an alternative
- promote that community to !newcommunities@lemmy.world and !communitypromo@lemmy.ca
- post to that community to make it appear in people feed
- over time, people will come (!linux@programming.dev has now 1.56K active users / week
But I guess that’s easier to complain rather than act.
Where did I say that censorship does not happen?
You didn’t, I got your comment mixed up with what someone else said on another comment chain, and I apologize.
That’s okay, they can move.
They can, but hiding those useful communities from people who are probably just trying to troubleshoot their systems doesn’t seem helpful
For projects, where they have their community presence also speaks to their ideology. Those projects’ communities chose to move off of Reddit, and be on Lemmy; those projects’ communities chose the instance they’re on.
One may plea ignorance in the early days of Lemmy, that they’re misguided by the instance description; but now a year later after all the drama, their decision to remain there will start to influence who will be able to interact with their community.
I have no sympathy for communities that chose to remain on CSAM infested instances that got defederated, and I will have no sympathy for project communities that continues to associate with ideologies by the ml admins.
The communities above are not managed by a project organisation (the only one I know if !librewolf@lemmy.ml), it’s just that until last week, lemmy.ml was considered the go-to instance for FOSS and Linux.
Network effect is here, I know it first hand as I’ve been busy posting to !linux@programming.dev to try to offer people an alternative to the lemmy.ml community.
But I’m not planning to do that with the communities above, and same for the other FOSS communities, because I have other stuff to do
The vast majority of people going to those communities just want a place with enough people to answer their questions on the topic. They are not going to organize a migration, most of them are probably not even aware of the issues with lemmy.ml administration (seems like the post got removed from lemmy.ml: https://lemmy.ml/comment/11606059)
I see where you come from, and I get it to an extend, but the vast majority of people are probably going to keep going to those communities without any change.
If someone wants to organize a migration of those above communities (the thread I linked above can be a starting point), feel free, but I wouldn’t count on it. And without an active migration, those communities will stay the reference for those topics.
On an interesting note, !collapse@lemmy.ml move to !collapse@lemm.ee recently.
seems like the post got removed from lemmy.ml: https://lemmy.ml/comment/11606059
I edited my comment. Looks like they banned the user, this is why the post is missing. And it’s kinda unfortunate :(
Didn’t know! Were there any responses from the admins?
It looks like admins from
.mlban people who write bad things about CCP and.worldadmins ban people who can write bad things about US imperialism. And both do it because they think that they fight propaganda.I criticize US imperialism all the time. Not even a warning let alone a ban. So I don’t think that’s the case.
You are right, I said it wrong.
They mostly ban for being a tankie.
