I mean, we existed as the same time as other early ape species (which we killed off like the monsters we are), so it makes sense.
Killed off, but not necessarily by violence.
We killed them with snark
I think the most compelling theory is we mated them into our communities, while outcompeting for food
Or it’s just that something feels off, fellow human.
On the other hand, maybe because we’re a highly social species and some people are just crazy, which you see in their face or behavior.
You mostly see this in autistic or ADHD people, even if most of us aren’t dangerous.
That’s a unlucky side-effect of this instinct i think?
Neanderthals?
You would think so, right? But funnily enough, whenever we find a new type of hominid that existed around us (neanderthals, denisovans, homo florensiensis), we find out that humans interbred with them and they are a part of our modern human DNA.
I bet humans learned to “other” things that look like humans so they could do things like avoid the sick and dead, dehuminize other tribes to kill them in war. All the very human things we do now.
It’s called “corpse”. Often riddled with diseases.
Or perhaps whatever animal killed your friend is still nearby. Maybe it’s still hungry, or maybe it feels it’s territory is still underappreciated.
Its territory is underappreciated?
Yeah, some asshole walks through your territory, doesn’t seem like it’s being appreciated that the territory is yours
There might be a monster with hurt fee fees in the bushes
maybe hairless chimps too. Those things are crazy
They will rip your dick out, Jamie send that video of jacked hairless chimps
Your dick, your face… they’ll pretty much, as we say in my corner of the world, “Fuck your shit up”
Now, imagine the violence early human bought upon early chimps to become the dominant species but also make them shy away from us.
There’s a difference between a few humans throwing some rocks at something’s head and poking it with a sharp stick and what chimps do.
I think you missed the proverbial point. We likely slaughtered the chimps and put their heads on pikes. Chimps have nothing on the violence humans are capable of inflicting.
In scale? Yes. In brutality? Go look up chimp attacks.
Chimps kicked our weak asses off the trees. They should regret how that turned out for them.
I remember a documentary about a famous northwest passage expedition that was never seen again. One of the inuit people they talked to during an investigation claimed they found a boat, and in the captain’s quarters they found a body in the bed with a big smile on its face. That would be absolutely terrifying, but apparently that’s what naturally happens to corpses when their lips and gums receed.
Damn, now i want to know!
You’ve just ruined my night. I screamed. My phone was like an inch from my face and I was all tucked into bed. That triggered something primaly unsettling for me. Thank you
You’re welcome.
I trusted you
Franklin’s last expedition
“Oh for just one time, I would take the Northwest Passage…”
Damn, got to listen to it now…
It also covers those who are not biologically fit to be mates. Various conditions can appear as physical traits.
You’re right though, as soon as someone dies, there’s something not right at all about how they look. They don’t look asleep, they look uncanny valley.
Yep and they were called Neanderthals.
But Homo Sapiens readily breeded with not only the Neanderthals but the Denisovans as well
Some of them did. We all know a few people that would go ahead and fuck what the rest of us would be scared to go near. Those genes survived too.
The humanoids we evolved from were at one point, not the only humanoids around. We coexisted with other, different species (neanderthals being an example). Homosapien is just the one that survived.
Yeah this is just leftover racism from a time when racism had a reason to exist.
I mean, racism has as much reason to exist now as it ever did. “I’ll protect me and what’s mine” has been the dividing line between species for thousands of years, and we have to choose whether we’ll continue it. A “Kill or be killed” mindset might keep you safe, but you’ll never know if the person you killed did indeed mean you harm, or if you could’ve instead lived without killing, and broke bread with a rival. The logic still applies
Drugs my friends. Drugs.
I call this feeling “The Holy Spirit” and no I’m not religious, hear me out.
So there’s “The Father” which is you, in charge of everything.
Then there’s “The Son” which is your Jesus, the bit of you that does shit mostly perfectly without any input from you. The scary example of this is when you drive to work and can’t remember the drive at all. Jesus Take the wheel. Teach your Jesus right and you can trust he’ll do things fine.
Then The Holy Spirit, which is that part of you that sees everything, before the filters are applied, and let’s you know something is off. There’s no obvious reason for it, but there’s something off about this guy and we need to get away from him as soon as possible and never interact with them again.
The Jesus part is the important bit for most of us. Learning to play the guitar? Teach your Jesus. When you’ve practiced enough you can just trust that Jesus will hit the notes while you concentrate on singing along.
When I learned to Juggle I just taught my Jesus how to throw properly so it lands in the other hand.
At work I teach my Jesus how to do the manual labour, do the checks I need to do, and I can concentrate on ripping on my work colleagues.
Illness, death, and antisocial behavior. All of these were threats we evolved to handle, people who are “a little bit off” in one way or another, who might endanger the group or individual. This, and that our pattern seeking brains don’t like it when something doesn’t easily fit within an existing schema, even more so if it lies just outside of our existing preconceptions.
Obviously, I can’t say that these definitely are the reasons why we experience the uncanny valley, but I think it’s probably a better explanation than… Skin walkers? Or whatever else the meme would be implying.
Still, it’s a cool premise for a horror story at least.
Or you need to identify those who aren’t behaving properly (sickness or other resource intense disability) and should be outcast from the group (something we don’t need to do today, but the right wing narrative insists that need to do)
something we don’t need to do today, but the right wing narrative insists that need to do
People keep saying this, but I really don’t see right wingers arguing for outcasting people.
I’m sorry, you don’t see phobias in the right wing?
It’s proven right wing individuals have more active fear trigger regions of the brain.
Building a wall and shutting down the border, letting people die of dehydration in the desert, are policies from the left wing?
Actually, tribal humans tend to support people with disabilities, even severe ones. It’s only feudal and capitalist societies that treat disabled people with cruelty. It isn’t natural.
we should be outcasting all sorts of toxic behaviors instead of putting them in charge.
Yeah, like neurotypical people. There should be a rule against holding office in government if you’re neurotypical.
I do believe there’s a happy medium between out-casting and electing, probably even a large amount of medium space.
But that’s not what you get in a first past the post system.
agreed but i also mean business leaders
I was thinking rabies.
A person who looks wrong.
I was thinking psychopath. Someone who tries to blend in and act normal but never quite gets it. We have no problem be horrors to other species, but early humans couldn’t afford a psychopath willing and wanting to kill their own tribe.
Psychopath is just Latin for mentally ill person. Someone suffering from depression is a “psychopath”, and no, depressed people aren’t dangerous. What the fuck is wrong with you?
Even though that’s what the latin translation is, that’s not what the word means. The definition is “Psychopathy, or psychopathic personality is a personality construct characterized by impaired empathy and remorse, and bold, disinhibited, and egocentric traits masked by superficial charm and the outward presence of apparent normality”.
It’s not in the DSM, because it’s not real. It’s a fake diagnosis pushed by pseudoscientists.
Okay, first of all: the DSM is used primarily in North America. The majority of the world uses ICDM.
Secondly, the DSM has gone through many iterations and changes. For instance, DSM-I and -II contained psychopathy as a mental illness. It was replaced by ASPD in DSM-III. What we term today as “major depressive disorder” was also introduced in DSM-III. Did depression not exist prior to the third DSM? Did ASPD not exist? Does psychopathy not exist now that it has been replaced by ASPD?
Thirdly, there’s so much bloody overlap in conditions listed in the DSM that you could present two psychiatrists with the same list of symptoms and they would diagnose two different disorders. And to my mind, this lends more credence to the first DSM’s principle classifications of psychotic, neurotic, and behavioural disorders.
To summarize, the DSM is regional and therefore cannot be applied globally. It describes medical conditions and those medical conditions can be redefined at any time. And it is borderline unreliable due to diagnostic confusion and overspecification. In short, the presence or lack thereof of some cluster of symptoms in the DSM is not an indicator of the existence of a condition.
The DSM removed it because it was fake. Early psychologists believed in it, and over time they were proven wrong, so the official materials were revised.
Are you legitimately stupid? Do you not understand what the commonly accepted definition is for psychopath?
I suggest you figure it out before spouting Reddit level drivel.
Neanderthals and others existed contemporaneously didn’t they…
… but also, so many parts of our brain are needed to do facial recognition that we’re prone to seeing faces where there are none…
…so it’s possible that what we’re on the watch for is other humans trying to ambush us, which means regular people hiding = uncanny valley = fear.
Alternate theory: The human brain is reacting to unfamiliarity and not alien features. We strongly associate Uncanny Valley with things not-quite human but it’s my thinking that it’s a tribal thing. Nowadays we see a ton of faces of all variations but I bet when we were hunter gatherers, we only saw features of our own tribe. The moment you meet another tribe, I’d bet this response is to create fear of the unrecognized human. It’s also probably there as a punishment mechanism for us seeing faces in everything.
The times that the uncanny effect hit hardest is when you think something is human or is a face potentially before finding out you’re wrong. So that’s my basis for thinking its there to keep us from being mistaken.
I was thinking of the Denisovans
Don’t forget Bigfoot, the rake, and skin walkers.
Reminds me of the episode of “Scavenger’s Reign” with the creepy-ass plant-clone thing stalking some of the survivors.
such a great show. thats one of the few shows set on an alien planet that truly feels unnervingly alien
Or the biological need to be afraid of ourselves because if I saw a human standing in my backyard in the shadows I would be as scared as if it were an alien, humans aren’t a joke when they want to kill or maim and humans love to kill or maim if they need something you have
My brother accidentally cut his foot open with an axe about an hour ago. That’s how much humans love to maim. We do it idly as we work.
Yup. We’re least safe when we most think we’re safe. Architects of self fulfilling prophecies
I’m an engineer actually
That’s a hilarious reply, and I can’t think of a witty response to match it
Yeah that sounds like an architect XD
Fuckin’ savage.
