inari@piefed.zip to Europe@feddit.orgEnglish · 15 days agoIt is time to build the United States of Europeelpais.comexternal-linkmessage-square49linkfedilinkarrow-up1101arrow-down111
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minus-squaredeHaga@feddit.uklinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up3arrow-down8·14 days agoEuropean history all is just conquests
minus-squareSkua@kbin.earthlinkfedilinkarrow-up12·14 days ago…so there has not been an attempt like the EU
minus-squareCAVOK@lemmy.worldlinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up4·14 days agoThe Hansa was something of a proto-EU.
minus-squareSkua@kbin.earthlinkfedilinkarrow-up1·14 days agoThat’s an interesting comparison I hadn’t considered, but isn’t it more like the current EU than the hypothetical federalised EU under discussion?
minus-squareCAVOK@lemmy.worldlinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up1·13 days agoProbably yes, but I don’t know enough about the Hansa to weigh in. But from what I can remember conquest wasn’t a part of it. It was a trade and defense arrangement that you joined voluntarily.
minus-squaredeHaga@feddit.uklinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up1arrow-down8·14 days agoThere has. The European Communities and the EEC. Neither were attempts to create a federation like US, China or Russia…
minus-squareSkua@kbin.earthlinkfedilinkarrow-up13·14 days agoMate the EEC was one of the European Communities, and it ended because it became part of the EU. That’s not a separate attempt. That’s the same one.
minus-squaredeHaga@feddit.uklinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up2arrow-down10·14 days agoLol no. The treaties of Maastricht, Nice and Lisbon turned a trade bloc into a political one. That’s centralising power, and it always fails.
minus-squareSkua@kbin.earthlinkfedilinkarrow-up10·14 days ago “Lol no. Actually it was exactly what you said”
European history all is just conquests
…so there has not been an attempt like the EU
The Hansa was something of a proto-EU.
That’s an interesting comparison I hadn’t considered, but isn’t it more like the current EU than the hypothetical federalised EU under discussion?
Probably yes, but I don’t know enough about the Hansa to weigh in. But from what I can remember conquest wasn’t a part of it. It was a trade and defense arrangement that you joined voluntarily.
There has. The European Communities and the EEC. Neither were attempts to create a federation like US, China or Russia…
Mate the EEC was one of the European Communities, and it ended because it became part of the EU. That’s not a separate attempt. That’s the same one.
Lol no. The treaties of Maastricht, Nice and Lisbon turned a trade bloc into a political one.
That’s centralising power, and it always fails.