The fediverse is very linux oriented I see again and again.
Sadly most Linux users are so deep into it that they don’t understand the pain of transition from something known to something that you have to invest significant time into to get running as you want it to.
And whenever people say this, several people post Linux versions that are supposedly super easy to set up and very similar to windows… Which shows that they are no longer able to see the relevant differences.
I find it annoying. Essentially as someone who has tried to switch to linux on my own terms(!) and that’s not possible without investing more time than a family dad with job is prepared to invest.
I mean just look at the posts in here. It like reading posts from religious people who would love to go from door to door to “spread the word.”
Honestly sad that this is at the bottom of this thread with all the linux glazers listed above. And every comment is massively up/downvoted depending on whether it is in support of Linux or not, regardless of the quality of the arguments.
To be fair, I’m a Linux user myself but I really cannot stand these obnoxious people who think that Linux is a full-on Windows replacement for everyone and anyone who doesn’t immediately install Linux is an ignorant fool. I like tinkering with my system, but I wouldn’t berate anyone who doesn’t. I care about my privacy, it’s not my business whether you care enough to switch your habits and devote your free time towards Linux.
I’d like to preface by saying I have no intent of invalidating you.
However…
It is a bit of a journey. If you are nerdy and like seeing how things come together, you will likely enjoy said journey, if you’re someone who just wants things to work out of the box, the road might be a little bumpy…
I may have grown used to tinkering, but I’ll admit I enjoy it, I am such a nerd. You shouldn’t have to tinker, nor use the terminal nor know all the little details in your distribution, and as a long time linux user, who has found the value of the terminal (so much so I use the drop down version of it) it annoys me that most tutorials even mention it.
Lately, there’s an incredible emphasis on FPS in games, rather than daily drivability or ease of use for newbies, and in my opinion it adds to the choice paralysis. And I’ll say up front, Ubuntu, the once popular distro, shouldn’t be suggested for newbies, because of some of their choices too. (Notably Snapd)
Ideally, the journey should start with something that works with your hardware, offers a decent software selection, But also leaves room for exploration should one want to. I’m a sucker for post installation first boot “wizards” that ask what software you’d like, and there aren’t enough distros that do this.
I’ll be honest, distro hopping is inevitable. You will eventually want to try something different, and there’s nothing wrong with that. But it shouldn’t be at the very beginning. But the solace is that, there is more than a single way to tackle any issue in Linux, and very often the simplest isn’t the most obvious, nor the one mentioned in tutorials…
My journey way;
Ubuntu 9.04 > Xubuntu > Linux Mint Xfce > Linux Mint Cinnamon > KDE Neon > Manjaro KDE > Garuda Linux
And frankly, I still suggest Linux Mint. I dont think I personally know another that’s a good entryway. It does provide what I assume, to be what most people need, and still offers plenty of ROM to grow.
Ideally Cinnamon, but if you want a lighter desktop, Xfce is decent and complete, and still more customizable than Gnome (without installing extensions)
Linux is definitely a rabithole, not gonna deny that, you’ll find all sorts of people, but ideally, the journey is your own, there is no score for using “hard mode distros”, just enjoy the ride at your pace, and don’t be afraid of asking for help when you need it.
Well, you are sort of validating my point pretty much with the content of your answer.
The issue is not willingness to tinker or such. It is time. People just don’t realize how much time this kind of tinkering eats. Which is not fun but extremely frustrating when all you want to do is to use your wee bit of free time for something relaxing and fun.
So no, I am not prepared to sacrifice my rare moments of mental recuperation on trying to figure out why something that should just work doesn’t work. Or doesn’t work in the needed way.
Until Linux isn’t utterly install and it works right away intuitively it will NEVER reach the masses.
I got really lucky with mint, like, everything works! Games, apps, my work flows normal.
But my only one problem is quite annoying: I need a windows only extension for my printer.
Linux user here, vynil sucks! Only those who swallow nostalgia like it :D
The thing is you are the mercy of “place big company name here” endless greed and whims , so it is no longer a “come to the cult” thing, they are pushing users away in a swallow or else fashion. The idea of Microsoft , Playstation, etc is squeeze you , get subscription from you and spoonfed all their crap to you wether you like it or not. All of it while trafficking with your personal data.
I was a windows 11 gamer, I know Linux some times may not be a walk in the park, specially if you have certain gpus, but all in all to me it is the most sane option to choose nowadays.
The fediverse is very linux oriented I see again and again.
Sadly most Linux users are so deep into it that they don’t understand the pain of transition from something known to something that you have to invest significant time into to get running as you want it to.
And whenever people say this, several people post Linux versions that are supposedly super easy to set up and very similar to windows… Which shows that they are no longer able to see the relevant differences.
I find it annoying. Essentially as someone who has tried to switch to linux on my own terms(!) and that’s not possible without investing more time than a family dad with job is prepared to invest.
I mean just look at the posts in here. It like reading posts from religious people who would love to go from door to door to “spread the word.”
Honestly sad that this is at the bottom of this thread with all the linux glazers listed above. And every comment is massively up/downvoted depending on whether it is in support of Linux or not, regardless of the quality of the arguments.
To be fair, I’m a Linux user myself but I really cannot stand these obnoxious people who think that Linux is a full-on Windows replacement for everyone and anyone who doesn’t immediately install Linux is an ignorant fool. I like tinkering with my system, but I wouldn’t berate anyone who doesn’t. I care about my privacy, it’s not my business whether you care enough to switch your habits and devote your free time towards Linux.
I’d like to preface by saying I have no intent of invalidating you. However… It is a bit of a journey. If you are nerdy and like seeing how things come together, you will likely enjoy said journey, if you’re someone who just wants things to work out of the box, the road might be a little bumpy…
I may have grown used to tinkering, but I’ll admit I enjoy it, I am such a nerd. You shouldn’t have to tinker, nor use the terminal nor know all the little details in your distribution, and as a long time linux user, who has found the value of the terminal (so much so I use the drop down version of it) it annoys me that most tutorials even mention it.
Lately, there’s an incredible emphasis on FPS in games, rather than daily drivability or ease of use for newbies, and in my opinion it adds to the choice paralysis. And I’ll say up front, Ubuntu, the once popular distro, shouldn’t be suggested for newbies, because of some of their choices too. (Notably Snapd)
Ideally, the journey should start with something that works with your hardware, offers a decent software selection, But also leaves room for exploration should one want to. I’m a sucker for post installation first boot “wizards” that ask what software you’d like, and there aren’t enough distros that do this.
I’ll be honest, distro hopping is inevitable. You will eventually want to try something different, and there’s nothing wrong with that. But it shouldn’t be at the very beginning. But the solace is that, there is more than a single way to tackle any issue in Linux, and very often the simplest isn’t the most obvious, nor the one mentioned in tutorials…
My journey way;
Ubuntu 9.04 > Xubuntu > Linux Mint Xfce > Linux Mint Cinnamon > KDE Neon > Manjaro KDE > Garuda Linux
And frankly, I still suggest Linux Mint. I dont think I personally know another that’s a good entryway. It does provide what I assume, to be what most people need, and still offers plenty of ROM to grow.
Ideally Cinnamon, but if you want a lighter desktop, Xfce is decent and complete, and still more customizable than Gnome (without installing extensions)
Linux is definitely a rabithole, not gonna deny that, you’ll find all sorts of people, but ideally, the journey is your own, there is no score for using “hard mode distros”, just enjoy the ride at your pace, and don’t be afraid of asking for help when you need it.
Well, you are sort of validating my point pretty much with the content of your answer.
The issue is not willingness to tinker or such. It is time. People just don’t realize how much time this kind of tinkering eats. Which is not fun but extremely frustrating when all you want to do is to use your wee bit of free time for something relaxing and fun.
So no, I am not prepared to sacrifice my rare moments of mental recuperation on trying to figure out why something that should just work doesn’t work. Or doesn’t work in the needed way.
Until Linux isn’t utterly install and it works right away intuitively it will NEVER reach the masses.
I mean this comment is good and kindly written but it is exactly what poster is talking about
I got really lucky with mint, like, everything works! Games, apps, my work flows normal. But my only one problem is quite annoying: I need a windows only extension for my printer.
No way the classic issue strikes again. Striking fear into the hearts of men…
The CUPS system is very decent, practically every printer I’ve owned is supported on it, but to see that there might be one that isn’t… 💀
Linux users are the sort of people who will tell you that vinyl just produces superior sound quality. It’s a sort of cult really.
Linux systems are fine but they are hardly the pain free, “it just works” solution that the community likes to constantly claim that it is.
Linux user here, vynil sucks! Only those who swallow nostalgia like it :D
The thing is you are the mercy of “place big company name here” endless greed and whims , so it is no longer a “come to the cult” thing, they are pushing users away in a swallow or else fashion. The idea of Microsoft , Playstation, etc is squeeze you , get subscription from you and spoonfed all their crap to you wether you like it or not. All of it while trafficking with your personal data.
I was a windows 11 gamer, I know Linux some times may not be a walk in the park, specially if you have certain gpus, but all in all to me it is the most sane option to choose nowadays.