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I sincerely hope RISV-V usurps this proprietary bullshit sometime soon. Simply paying the royalties to use the ARM spec costs tens of millions in licensing alone.
RISCV would definitely be nicer but it’s just a little early for it. Qualcomm have been using arm for ages so no doubt they’re going to be more comfortable using that architecture compared to something that still doesn’t have any support. It’s going to take a while.
It took decades for ARM to start gaining desktop acceptance. It’s probably gonna be a while before RISC-V is more than a blip.
The miracle wasnt apple silicon it was the software transition. A hardware comoany cant pull it off. Windows arm is shit and for some reason nobody even considers the existence of linux.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Qualcomm’s annual “Snapdragon Summit” is coming up later this month, and the company appears ready to share more about its long-planned next-generation Arm processor for PCs.
The company hasn’t shared many specifics yet, but yesterday we finally got a name: “Snapdragon X,” which is coming in 2024, and it may finally do for Arm-powered Windows PCs what Apple Silicon chips did for Macs a few years ago (though it’s coming a bit later than Qualcomm had initially hoped).
But those chips have never quite been fast enough to challenge Intel’s Core or AMD’s Ryzen CPUs in mainstream laptops.
Any performance deficit is especially noticeable because many people will run at least a few apps designed for the x86 version of Windows, code that needs to be translated on the fly for Arm processors.
Even if Qualcomm delivers an Arm chip that’s significantly faster and more power-efficient than its current offerings, there are still software hurdles to overcome.
In other words, they were negotiated based on Nuvia’s then-stated focus on server CPUs, rather than high-volume processors for consumer PCs.
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Unless they can convince MS to release Windows for ARM this wont amount to anything. What holds back PC ARM is the fact that Microsoft isn’t selling licenses of Windows for ARM.
Windows does actually have a Windows 11 version of ARM. The Thinkpad X13s for example does use it. It doesn’t seem to be widely available though, maybe because it’s experimental.
Yes it does but Microsoft doesn’t seem to be licensing it to anyone. You can’t buy licenses and last time I checked only the Surface got it, I believe they’re trying to hold it from themselfs in order to push the Surface as the only option if you want a very light / portable Window ARM computer.
They do. No one really wants it. More than the Surface is getting it.
Microsoft holds a lot of things back. X86 also holds a lot of things back especially when the future is ARM.
No its not. They will exist side by side but calling it the future is purely wrong.
Guess we’ll see.
Even if they do, they’d still need a Rosetta-like translator. I don’t see that happening any time soon.
Can you buy licenses? Why haven’t all manufacturers making and selling ARM tablets / laptops with Windows ARM then? I believe they’re trying to hold it as a competitive advantage to sell more Surface machines.
Can you buy licenses?
I can’t, but OEMs can.
Why haven’t all manufacturers making and selling ARM tablets / laptops with Windows ARM then?
Because no one was buying them.
Microsoft was pushing to make this happen extra hard with Windows 8 or so. They’ve kept it alive since then. It’s revived a bit once they started seeing ChromeOS devices start taking over the low end of the market.
But the available ARM processors kinda sucked; the price difference at the low end wasn’t enough for consumers in most cases: low margins are a demotivator for manufacturers; Intel and AMD got better low-power, low-price options; app availability was/is a big problem, etc.
But you can buy Windows ARM laptops and things from Samsung, Lenovo, a few others right now. The others don’t care, mostly still for the reasons above.
At least HP and Lenovo have arm64 notebooks with Windows.
Why haven’t all manufacturers making and selling ARM tablets / laptops with Windows ARM then?
Nobody wants them. If they want a Laptop or desktop they’re going x86 because it’s so much faster running the software that exists. If they want a tablet then they’re buying an iPad. Windows on tablets sucks.
