Except for the war, which they evidently never intended to put to a democratic vote (since they intended to only hold them after the war was won).
What the ever-loving fuck are you talking about?
The elections were held in 1917. The elections were being held as the Bolsheviks committed their coup.
In the end it took a coup by the Bolsheviks to get the things the working class was revolting for.
Civil war, the destruction of both ‘bourgeois’ democracy and the workers’ Soviets, and mass starvation???
To somewhat repeat myself, the existence of a democratic mandate for bread (or rice depending on where you live), land and liberty is never seriously in doubt, so a revolutionary government doesn’t need a bunch of men in a room to tell it to provide these things in the same way it doesn’t need one to tell it to collect taxes and police cities. I could say a lot more about this, but let’s not.
Are you fucking stupid?
This is the most idiotic, juvenile conception of governance I’ve seen, and I’ve seen a lot of really bad fucking takes on here. “Just do it, how hard could it be?” Yes, people want bread and peace, but how you deliver both matters (as seen by Brest-Litovsk immediately igniting a fucking civil war), and that’s exactly fucking why governance is so fucking difficult; not only that, but delivering either is not guaranteed equally by every course of action, and god fucking help you if you waste resources autocratically deciding on a course of action that doesn’t end up panning out. Government doesn’t just say “We are now making 100 bread for the people, starvation will now end”, this isn’t a fucking video game.
Not only that, but it is immensely fascist in its conception of the will of the people able to expressed by Very Attuned Individuals who work without any input other than the notion of ‘common sense’ of doing ‘what the people want’.
You might as well fucking quote the Doctrine of Fascism. Jesus fucking Christ, man.
And win the war, don’t forget that one. That’s the whole reason the elections took as long as they did.
“There’s no way that a brand new government making an electoral system that radically departs from the previous one across the largest country on earth at the time with 1917 technology could have decided that implementing polling stations would have taken a whole seven months!”
Jesus fucking Christ.
No offense, but yeah no you have to be kidding here. Soviet rule under Lenin and Stalin was what turned Russia into a developed country. Virtually every indicator of a modern (for the time period) quality of life exploded.
Would you like to compare the ‘explosion’ of those indicators to other countries of the period of like low developmental status? Go ahead.
I never said he wasn’t a true believer. I don’t know if he was, and frankly don’t care too much. Whatever principles he might’ve had only excuse his conduct as much as Stalin’s do his—which is to say not at all.
You literally fucking said that it wasn’t fair to say Stalin wasn’t a communist, because he was a true believer, despite all the fascist fucking shit he got up to, but simultaneously say Kerensky doesn’t deserve to be called even socialist-leaning, regardless of whether he was a true believer.
The idea that they did “nothing but create bureaucratized oligarchy” is simply not a serious historical position, and if you seriously believe that you should get back to studying. This is a position not worth debating.
So “It’s okay if it’s a fascist government which implements bureaucratized oligarchy if the economy improves”?
Are you fucking serious?
Would you like to raise your right arm for a “Heil Hitler” next? Or say Mussolini made the trains run on time? Jesus fucking Christ.
This is an absolutely horrific and outright fascist position you’re taking. I did not expect this even when this started with a defense of Stalin as a true believer.
What the ever-loving fuck are you talking about?
The elections were held in 1917. The elections were being held as the Bolsheviks committed their coup.
Civil war, the destruction of both ‘bourgeois’ democracy and the workers’ Soviets, and mass starvation???
Are you fucking stupid?
This is the most idiotic, juvenile conception of governance I’ve seen, and I’ve seen a lot of really bad fucking takes on here. “Just do it, how hard could it be?” Yes, people want bread and peace, but how you deliver both matters (as seen by Brest-Litovsk immediately igniting a fucking civil war), and that’s exactly fucking why governance is so fucking difficult; not only that, but delivering either is not guaranteed equally by every course of action, and god fucking help you if you waste resources autocratically deciding on a course of action that doesn’t end up panning out. Government doesn’t just say “We are now making 100 bread for the people, starvation will now end”, this isn’t a fucking video game.
Not only that, but it is immensely fascist in its conception of the will of the people able to expressed by Very Attuned Individuals who work without any input other than the notion of ‘common sense’ of doing ‘what the people want’.
You might as well fucking quote the Doctrine of Fascism. Jesus fucking Christ, man.
“There’s no way that a brand new government making an electoral system that radically departs from the previous one across the largest country on earth at the time with 1917 technology could have decided that implementing polling stations would have taken a whole seven months!”
Jesus fucking Christ.
Would you like to compare the ‘explosion’ of those indicators to other countries of the period of like low developmental status? Go ahead.
You literally fucking said that it wasn’t fair to say Stalin wasn’t a communist, because he was a true believer, despite all the fascist fucking shit he got up to, but simultaneously say Kerensky doesn’t deserve to be called even socialist-leaning, regardless of whether he was a true believer.
So “It’s okay if it’s a fascist government which implements bureaucratized oligarchy if the economy improves”?
Are you fucking serious?
Would you like to raise your right arm for a “Heil Hitler” next? Or say Mussolini made the trains run on time? Jesus fucking Christ.
This is an absolutely horrific and outright fascist position you’re taking. I did not expect this even when this started with a defense of Stalin as a true believer.