• Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    Reuters still pushing Zionist propaganda 6 months in. Sad to see.

    We all know israel is the only party rejecting an actual permanent ceasefire.

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      8 months ago

      Agreed. Israel is going to the meetings but their proposals amount to “give us back the Israeli hostages, we’ll give you a few hundred of the thousands of Palestinians we’re imprisoning, and then we’ll go back to killing you mmkay?” Even their ceasefire proposals are a) temporary and b) don’t stop the terrible conditions of apartheid/hostile occupation the Palestinians were living in for decades before Oct. 7th.

      Netanyahu has made it clear he will keep on killing Palestinians until Hamas is eliminated aka for as long as it serves his purposes. Don’t forget Netanyahu’s administrations are the whole reason Hamas was put in and kept power in the first place.

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      I don’t agree.

      Reuters is the highest credibility international, least biased, news website that pushes news.

      Zionist news are part of the news, same as the Palestinian news are part of the news.

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      8 months ago

      Wars generally end when one side surrenders.

      Neither Israel nor Hamas wants to surrender, so there is no reason to expect a “permanent ceasefire”.

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        8 months ago

        A lot of wars have ended in a stalemate.

        And if Israel is just stopping the onslaught in Gaza it is not a surrender. They wouldn’t have given up anything.

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          8 months ago

          Wars end in stalemate when both sides agree that they cannot make further military advances. That’s not the case here.

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        8 months ago

        There have been multiple previous wars between Hamas and israel, and other parties like Lebanon, and it usually ends in a ceasefire.

        Israel saying they want keep committing Genocide after a 6 week break and then occupy Gaza isn’t exactly a great deal.

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            8 months ago

            Feels like israel slightly forgot why it always ended that way. Only lost them all international support and the rightful designation as the new Nazis. Has israel defeated Hamas yet?

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          8 months ago

          This is a lie, Israel doesn’t commit genocide.

          The IDF mission is to release hostages and take down Hamas.

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            8 months ago

            There is a pretty clear UN report proving israel is committing Genocide. Did you read it?

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              No I didn’t, I’d kindly appreciate if you can link this UN report (preferably not from a news agency)

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                  8 months ago

                  This is an “Advance unedited version” meaning it’s not officially published by the UN, it’s only shared for review.

                  Additionally, Francesca Albanese drafted this document, multiple sources indicate about ther controversial and bias, as for the fact she justifies Hamas 7th Oct. massacre.

                  Hence, Israel is not officially commiting a genocide, and your accusations of it are wrong.

                  Please don’t spread lies.

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        There will never be permanent ceasefire because Hamas dictate that Palestine, an area in which, over 2000 years, have been living more than dozens of ethnicities (i.e. Christians, Jews, Muslims, Ancient Greeks, Ancient Romans, Turkish, British…), is religiously and exclusively belong to only Arabic Muslim Palestinians.

        See my comment here: https://lemmy.one/comment/9181356

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      8 months ago

      Don’t defend Hamas. They are a pure unadulterated terrorist group who would torture you to death because you aren’t a pure Muslim.

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        Downvoted not because I defend Hamas (which is indeed awful) but because the premise of your post is a lazy, overused attempt to deflect criticism of Israeli crime. Where is the poster defending Hamas? Hamas isn’t even mentioned. He’s condemning Zionist propaganda and Israeli refusals to stop killing which is completely factual and an ethical stance. Take your strawman elsewhere.

      • InfiniteGlitch@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        Since you’re writing uneducated nonsense and I’ll just bluntly assume you’re an Israel supporter. Here’s a copy-paste of my previous comments.

        Israel became an actual state in 1948 by displacing 750 000 Palestinian people and murdering many (men, women and children). Laying sieges, bombarding villages and population centers, setting fires to homes, properties and goods. Planting mines among the rubble to prevent any of the expelled people from returning (source: The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by ilan Pappé).

        Now Hamas did not exist until 1987, they became an actual group only in 1987 because of all the actions Israel had done from 1948 up until 1987. Which is approximately 39-40 years after what Israel had done to the Palestinian people.

        From this we can conclude that Hamas did not start this but Israel did and that Hamas is fighting back.

        Israel is currently doing:

        • Stealing land
        • Ethnic cleansing
        • Genocide
        • Calling Palestinians rats, animals and more cruel things
        • Wanting to erase the entire Palestinian race
        • Lying to the world
        • They think they are “superior” than Palestinian people
        • They think and say that Palestinian people are, the “inferior” race
        • Apartheid
        • Sent Palestinian people jail/ prison for no reason (even kids)
        • Beat Palestinian people for no reason or provoke to “get a reason”

        Who’s the actual terrorist here?

        I condemn both Israel and Hamas but if Israel had not stolen the land and murdered people from 1948 up until now. They (Hamas) would not even exist today. Hamas has become so violent, hateful and such because the world is just watching and doing nothing while Palestinians are getting murdered and humiliated on a daily basis.

        • 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】@lemmy.world
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          The earliest inhabitants in recorded history were Judaic and spoke Hebrew. Seems you’re of the mind that Israel has no right to exist. You’re describing a warzone. Maybe tell your buddies in Hamas to stop using cities as human shields, oh wait they want the highest number of civilian casualties (Martyrs™) as possible because other than taking hostages, using human shields and hiding underground is their last cowardly leverage. Even Japan surrendered and they were an actual country.

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            Seems you’re of the mind that Israel has no right to exist.

            Israel has a right to exist but not in the way they exist now. They exist through murdering, humiliating, apartheid, stealing land and genocide. If back in the day they politely asked the Palestinian people there to live together in peace. That would be an acceptable reason and right to exist.

            So no, I don’t think Israel has a right to exist on the way they made the state. Because that means, Palestinians have no right anymore to their own land that was stolen.

            It is and stays Palestinian land and the Palestinians have right to it. An occupier cannot become its owner. Never.

            You’re describing a warzone. Maybe tell your buddies in Hamas to stop using cities as human shields, oh wait they want the highest June of civilian casualties as possible because other than taking hostages, human shields are is their last cowardly leverage. Even Japan surrendered and they were an actual country.

            Got any trustable source for your claims of “human shields” and “highest civilian casualties”?

            I always find it ironic how Israel supporters claim a lot but zero evidence to back it up and make things immensely personal. It seems Israel supporters cannot discuss without being emotional.

            Not only that, it is Israel who has been murdering more than 30 000 civilians and not Hamas.

            Also majority of the Israeli people don’t even want the Likud party anymore and they don’t believe in this “war”. This isn’t a war, this is a genocide. A military backed by US Vs a normal group that calls themselves Hamas.

            Only 15% of Israelis want Netanyahu to keep job after Gaza war, poll finds | Reuters

            Israel’s war on Gaza – six relentless months of death and destruction | Israel War on Gaza News | Al Jazeera

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            The earliest inhabitants in recorded history were Judaic and spoke Hebrew

            And many of their children became Christian after Jesus and many became Muslim after Mohamed (s.a.s). The Palestinian people are ethnically the direct descendants of the Hebrew speaking Jews you are referring to. And before the European Jews, many of whom did not speak Hebrew by the way, invaded the land, Muslims, Christians and Jews were coexisting on the land of their ancestors. The people of Moses never left the land. Just that now their great great great great great… great cousins are forcing them out of the land, their branch of lineage has left hundreds and thousands of years ago.

            The whole ethnic argument of zionism is a lie, that is as absurd as US Americans claiming rights to indigenous lands, because they have some 1/1024th native ethnics.

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        8 months ago

        I was going to debate back, but you are all clearly drinking the Hamas Kool-Aid, so enjoy it while you can

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        Because you aren’t Muslim and Arab.

        Hamas dictate that Palestine, an area in which, over 2000 years, have been living more than dozens of ethnicities (i.e. Christians, Jews, Muslims, Ancient Greeks, Ancient Romans, Turkish, British…), is religiously and exclusively belong to only Arabic Muslim Palestinians:

        Palestine is the land of the Arab Palestinian people, from it they originate, to it they adhere and belong

        Palestine is a land whose status has been elevated by Islam

        Palestine is an Arab Islamic land. It is a blessed sacred land that has a special place in the heart of every Arab and every Muslim.

        Israel declaration of independence document, in the other hand, respect the multiethnicity of this area, and dictate that:

        it will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex; it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture; it will safeguard the Holy Places of all religions; and it will be faithful to the principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

        Sources:

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          is religiously and exclusively belong to only Arabic Muslim Palestinians

          As opposed to all your base, which are belong to us. SCNR

      • 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】@lemmy.world
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        8 months ago

        No stop this is a pro Iranian theocratic dictatorship community! Hamas are nice people that absolutely would never literally stone people to death for saying nice things about democracy or asking for elections.