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- technology@beehaw.org
cross-posted from: https://jlai.lu/post/6002282
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Ok, the jig is up. We are exposed. Better pack our bags and get out while we can.
wait, you guys don’t use ones and zeroes?
No, that’s several abstraction layers down … there’s libraries for that.
Ok bud, yeah right, Delete that. Delete that RIGHT NOW.
If your seriously into Access you might be a SQL dev…
I prefer my databases in Excel. /s
im convinced most developers spend more time working on making shit work, rather than actually writing code and bugfixing it.
In times past they got shit done, and now we see that what they’ve done is shit and we’re stuck maintaining it.
Half the time it’s trying to figure out where to apply the next piece of duct tape to keep the entire house of cards (and duct tape) from collapsing.
damn.
Yup. Thats just enterprise software for you. Something was made requiremnts changed, and then changed again and then ypu have duct tape on top of a duct tape with a duct tape holding those duct tapes and a touch of super glu here and there. Also ducttapes are microscopic in size but the sheer quantity of them is unimaginable.
As an aside, I recall the early days when @SwiftOnSecurity was purposely ambiguous about the distinction between the artist Taylor Swift and their technology tweets. It was delicious to see confused responses.
At some point it changed. Not sure what triggered that. I have a vague memory of a stroke, but I might be misremembering.
This the dangerous kind of parody, I would rather help people with excel programs than another access program and that’s a pain in the ass.
I draw the line at CSV ingestion.
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I used to joke with my niece that my programming job was just me staring at screens and meetings all day. She didn’t believe me until she got to shadow me one day and got super bored.
What did she think before?
Not op but guessing she had an idea from media like TV shows and movies that make technical jobs seem much more exciting for entertainment over realism. Crises are usually more Jerry accidentally deleted a directory and we need to recover some files and establish safe guard procedures to prevent it from happening again or this thing broke that nobody even knew existed so we gotta figure it out and less type fast enough to save the mainframe from l33t hackers.
But when your brain is fascinated by all that has to happen for those screens and meetings to happen, it can still be an interesting job.
It’s not as easy as it sounds, sometimes the screens are all wrong!! https://xkcd.com/722/
The scary thing is some people actually believe this, and NIH syndrome is unfortunately all too real lol
I agree with the last point tbh
At the bare minimum, if you aren’t capable of contributing to the library you use, then you don’t deserve to use it.
Where’d you buy this brand of bait?
If you just knew how many libraries we use…
I disagree, if you aren’t capable of contributing to a library you should be required to use it rather than roll your own solution.
Nah you should learn
Because software devs have the weeks/months to learn vulkan every time they want to use a GUI for their job, or to learn compiler design whenever they wanna use java for their job
to learn vulkan every time they want to use a GUI for their job
Not every time, just the first time. But yes. Devs should stop being so lazy
compiler design whenever they wanna use java for their job
Every dev should at least know the basics of language design and compiler design, yes. Again, you also only have to learn it once
The best developers are the laziest.
I’d take a dev slowly using a library with a one liner than a noob writing 500 lines of code doing the same thing any day.
That’s how you end up with the unmaintainable state that enterprise software is currently in. “Just Works” mentality is a cancer
Honestly, why? We’ve got billions of people driving around in cars they don’t know how to build. Is that a problem too?
Yeah. Kinda actually
As someone who has written a DB handle… that shit is hard, I had to be extremely careful to protect against SQL injection. Everyone rolling their own is how we return to the Era of XSS and SQL Injection on every website. I’d prefer to have young devs use libraries and contribute as they gain knowledge.
that shit is hard, I had to be extremely careful to protect against SQL injection
People need to learn to be careful
They do… but the road to naturally learning that lesson comes with the cost of enabling botnets and destroying businesses. Maybe there should be a qualification exam to be a developer but when there isn’t we need to make sure more junior developers have the best tools they can get to fight against foot guns.
Also, on the topic of security, a lot of good senior level developers don’t have the specialized knowledge to do shit like build a password validation system that isn’t vulnerable to a timing attack or know what a timing attack is…
And timezones, fuck timezones, I’ve written code that correctly handled timezones (and subsequently threw it away when Canada decided to DST on a different weekend). Imagine how shitty it’d be if we constantly had to reinvent the wheel when it came to timezones.
Oh, and forget about databases… do you know how fucking hard it is to write an ACID compliant WAL? The reason postgres is the default open source database (and why so many databases are just layers built on top of postgres’s engine) is because it’s fucking hard. Mongo still (IIRC) has consistency issues, they were a tech darling for half a decade and can’t manage to NoSQL as well as Postgres.
Also, good luck building a GUI with anything more complicated than curses style box art characters.
I started mildly disagreeing with you but I disagree even more that I’ve thought about other tools people would need to roll on their own.
Hey dude stop it spreading it okay?
The only problem you can’t solve with Access is too much Access.
Is Microsoft Access what they call Microsoft Excel nowadays?
No its microsofts database GUI program that’s part of Microsoft Office . imagine software made for users who have a vague understanding of SQL and visual basic but then an exec. forced the designers and devs to make it accessible to everyone while giving them barely any teamembers causing a fuckton of technical debt and unintuitive quirks , making anyone who opens the software feel like they have just been placed in a highly equipped tank , in front of a wall of unlabeled levers and told to drive the tank , or at least that’s how I view it.
(reposting from another account sorry if you see both comments)
We use it at work for it’s actual intended purpose: as a small database that isn’t customer facing. It’s used and maintained by nontechnical staff to keep data about equipment (slot machines).
It would be too much info for excel, but it’s not enough to really need anything more.
No Microsoft Access is/was a GUI software actually meant to have databases instead of how everyone uses Excel/spreadsheets as databases. It is a part of the office suite. It works pretty much like traditional databases but has an easier to access GUI for non programmers I guess. I don’t think it’s used a ton nowadays except for legacy processes that haven’t been updated.
No its another program, I’ve seen people make weird stuff with it like ticketing systems and notes apps. I’ve never seen it be a robust program though
It’s the actual database app by Microsoft
I assume it hasn’t existed for a number of years
But why
We’ve been spending decades curating our perception by management in order to make sure we all have jobs. He’s gonna ruin the whole industry if we don’t shut him the hell up
