cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/7760707
“Death to Germany because they say their reason for existing is to support ‘Israel’[1]? That’s genocidal against Germans.”
Sorry, but I don’t care about your colonizer fragility.
Not a joke, they call this “Staatsräson”. ↩︎
I know commenting here is a mistake, but there must be a way that this is not always black and white.
The whole Israel situation is extremely complicated.
What I don’t like: the killing of the people living in the Gaza strip.
What I also don’t like: the killing of the Israeli by the Hamas.
Amd regarding the land, this is another difficult topic I don’t know enough about, but my current stance is that you should not expell the locals when you try to life somewhere.
However what can Germany as a country do?
Basically nothing, every critic to Israel will be seen as antisemitism.
Israel can only exist by murdering Palestinians and stealing their land. Hamas is a reaction to settler-colonial genocide, and this genocide is materially aided by Germany. Germany can stop supplying Israel with tools for genocide.
This is not true.
Also I don’t support the current governments killing spree.
But Hamas is much longer a terror organisation that has the goal of destroying all Jews.
Also all surrounding countries support the suffering of the Palestinians. It helps them fighting Israel without actually going to war against them.
Egypt could just let people leave the Gaza strip. Many want to flee. But Egypt needs Gaza to hurt Israel, so they don’t let anyone through.
Every word I said was true, you’re repeating blatant hasbara.
You do, by supporting Israel’s right to exist. Israel is a settler-colony on stolen land, it has to commit genocide in order to exist.
Hamas’ goal is Palestinian liberation, and their enemy is not Jewish people, but Israel as a genocidal settler-colony. Hamas was formed as a response to genocide.
This is a conspiracy theory. Surrounding areas oppose Israel and support Palestinian liberation because Israel is a terrorist micro-state. The purpose of Israel is to fight enemies of western imperialism in West Asia.
In other words, you’re saying Palestinians should leave and let their land be fully colonized.
No wonder Feddit.org was defederated by dbzer0 for being infested with Zionists.
I say that people who want to flee should be able to. Not everyone wants to die for some piece of dirt.
However neither Egypt nor Israel is letting people go!
Shit has hit the fan more than quarter of a century ago down there. It is not that easy to just say “give Palestinians their land and let them be” you ignore decades of war about exactly that topic.
You must go back at least to the downfall of the ottoman empire and the British colonialisation of the area in order to get a grasp of war that is currently ongoing.
I don’t support Israel, but I also don’t support Palestinians!!!
And everyone who just puts you in the other extreme of you don’t support their opinion is a stupid fuck and go away!
This is why I don’t engage in these comments usually. There is no in between. You must be one of the extreme supporters!
You support Israel by not supporting Palestine. I support Palestnian liberation and Palestinians, not Zionism and genocide like you do. Pretty clear-cut. You have to understand the Nakba, the deals the founding Zionists made with the Nazis, the role Israel plays today with respect to western interests, and more.
With this logic every American citizen who doesn’t actively try to stop Trump must be supporting him.
Or every Russian that isn’t trying to kill Putin loves his ass.
By not supporting that there are opinions outside of the extreme you must be supporting Nazis!
I can go on with the stupid comparisons.
I don’t like how entitled you think you are to define who is supporting what just on your emotions.
Germany is actively supplying the IDF with weapons used to murder hundreds of thousands of Palestinians. By taking an inactive stance, saying you support neither Palestine nor Israel, you are just watching Germany help slaughter hundreds of thousands of innocents. You’re a Zionist, plain and simple, and it isn’t due to emotions but due to your deliberate inaction.
If you’ve ever wondered what you would be doing if you lived during the reign of the Nazis and the Holocaust, you’re doing it now. Your country is facilitating genocide and you’re busy trying to paint the resistance to genocide as terrorists so as to justify the genocide.
Yeah sure think that if you want.
You sound like someone desperate extremist who is trying to split people because only your opinion is the correct one…
And that’s more important than palestinian lives?
When you are accused of antisemitism you may lose your job so it could silence a lot of people
The full quote was: “However what can Germany as a country do? Basically nothing, every critic to Israel will be seen as antisemitism.” They are not talking about individuals but the country.
Sarkha intensifies
“Listen we can’t stop doing genocide because people might call us antisemites.”
These are the ideological titans of German liberalism. The vanguard of feddit.org.
This makes me think of the image of Spongebob with a German flag pin looking smug straightening out a nameplate in front of him labeled “#1 Genocide Understander”. I can’t find it now, lol.
Thank you, lol.
On this server you can even mention Stalin’s death camps without getting banned, don’t waste your time…
Lmao you’re the exact mirror image of right wingers talking about white genocide in South Africa
“Death camps?” Are you referring to the soviet prisons in general as “death camps?” An enormous number of prison deaths occured during World War II, when famine was widespread due to the Nazis storming Ukraine, the USSR’s breadbasket. On the whole, soviet prisons and the justice system itself were more progressive than their peers, Mary Stevenson Callcott documented it quite well in Russian Justice.
The soviet union, despite having a progressive legal system, was in a state of constant turmoil caused by pressures both external and internal. They couldn’t simply delete all previously existing ruling-class people and ideology, class struggle continues under socialism. Further, pressure from the imperialist west, invasion both in threat and in action, and intentional sabateurs meant that the prisons certainly weren’t empty. The soviet union never had a single year of normal, stable growth, free from intense opposition on the outside and counter-revolutionary forces on the inside.
In communist lemmy you can’t even spread easily disproven propaganda 😡😡😡
Most of us don’t like violence, believe me, we’d love it if the settlers stopped the genocide, returned the stolen homes, paid reparations and helped rebuild the place, etc. The problem is that Israel is incapable and unwilling of any of this, they keep stealing homes to this day and they won’t stop until they have all the land or until the international community makes them stop.
Hamas is a national liberation movement. If Palestinians were treated as people it’d have never gotten this bad, but it’s the logical reaction when you dehumanize people, dismantle their less extreme organizations and keep killing children. Have you never seen that? They kill the children. Of course people will grab guns and try to protect their community. I know a guy (not close to him) who lost about thirty relatives just months after October 7, imagine losing branches of your family tree because they decided to conduct an extermination campaign against you for being part of an ethnic group.
This situation isn’t complicated at all. There are people who we’ve been taught to see as non-human, who are being genocided as we speak. They’re not any less human than you or me. And no matter how misleading the media is in their framing, Palestinians deserve their freedom, their children deserve to be alive long enough to grow and build their own lives, all of them deserve peace and respect, bodily autonomy and sovereignty. And the solution to violence is never genocide.
Out of curiosity. If your home was stolen by government backed militia death squads and you and your family were put in concentration camps before being shipped to an open air prison. If then those same militiamen were to routinely encroach on the prison to continue to beat, rape and murder men women and children with impunity while they continue to steal land and at the same time your children were tries in military court for throwing rocks at the prison wall would you not join the resistance?
If you were a slave would you not strike a blow to kill your master and gain your freedom?
Acting like the violence the oppressors inflict upon the oppressed and the liberatory violence the oppressed must use to free themselves is the same is peak colonial mentality and you should really do some introspection
This should be the first things a lot of lemmitors read in the morning and the last thing they read before sleeping. A lot of westerners in general, in fact.
Whenever “discourse” like this comes up I am reminded of a specific clip of Kwame Ture. In it some white lib tries to catch him out with some bs gotcha about leftwing or liberatory violence I don’t remember exactly. Ture responds along the lines of:
The guy is visibly embarrassed. Which always makes me think that most of these people know (at least deep down) that liberatory and oppressive violence are fundamentally different but they also realise they are part of the oppressors so to accept this is to accept that violence against them can be justified. Which is a scary thought.
What a truly unhinged comment that was. This guy should really think long and hard about Rule 1 and take all the other civil and nice replies here as an example on how to behave on lemmy.ml.