The mods of all the major communities there remove comments criticism Hexbear and usually follow it up with a ban. It’s absolutely clear what is happening and it shouldn’t be allowed to continue.
The mods of all the major communities there remove comments criticism Hexbear and usually follow it up with a ban. It’s absolutely clear what is happening and it shouldn’t be allowed to continue.
What people, what authoritarian measure?
You mean it is strange that sane, normal people want to stop authoritarian/totalitarian fanboys from spreading hatefull falsehoods, stifling dissent using bans and heavy moderation? By using the tools at their disposal and telling these smegheads to f- off? Plenty of speech is deemed unacceptable: holocaust denial, swatstikas, from the river to the sea, white power, just to name a few.
Well if that is your idea of what should be acceptable, we disagree. The Overton window should remain in the middle and not be allowed to stretch to include these extremist views. Not from the “right” or “left”.
This thread is about de federating from lemmy.lm. Because some fascists here are on a witch hunt against some people from hexbear.
It is literally telling everyone that either they defederate from hexbear or they defederate from lemmy.world.
Typical trump diplomacy btw.
Tankies like you are the reason people think leftists like me call everyone they don’t like fascists.
Hexbear is a fascist website. You are an idiot.
I’m not a tankie, and I see far more fascists than I see tankies. In fact I’ve seen maybe two tankies comments on lemmy while I see fascists several times a week.
Really. What fascists have you seen? How do you know they’re fascists? What’s your political ideology?
When people support a genocide I tend to consider them fascists. When they consider leftists to be extremist of fascist, they are usually fascist themselves. When they promote authoritarianism, intolerance, xenophobia,… When people talk about wokes or wokism, they’re usually fascists. When they support US imperialism.
Most fascists blind themselves though, and the propaganda picture anyone against the fascists as fascists.
The biggest lie to picture the left as fascist simply because they don’t support liberalism. Leftists have always been the first victims of fascism. That should give you a hint.
Being mistaken about the nature of fascism or disagreeing with people on the left does not make someone a fascist. What definition of fascist are you using that allows that?
And what definition of tankie is used here? I’ve been called a tankie several times on this thread and on lemmy while I discovered this word here on lemmy.
Are you concerned you might be a fascist or are you trying to disregard and disqualify me based on whtt I consider a fascist?
My point is that here there is a witch hunt against supposed tankies whyle fascists are welcome. Considering the political climate in western countries, do you think fascism or tankism will be more prevalent? Why is the fight against tankies so much more prevalent on lemmy.world then?
I generally regard people who perform apologetics for fascist states and insist that anyone who doesn’t agree with them isn’t left-wing while simultaneously decrying sectarianism as “tankies”.
I called you a tankie because tankies tend to refer to people as “fascist” wantonly and haphazardly. You even admitted that you consider people who disagree with what you refer to as leftists to be fascist, which lends credence to my assessment. I actually can’t say that you really are what I would consider a tankie, and I’m certainly willing to admit that I was wrong.
My definition of fascism is as such: Fascism is a political strategy that seeks to preserve, create, and entrench structures and relationships of power imbalance by means of promoting and facilitating mass, broad-spectrum chauvinism in ways that are likely to encourage widespread individual and systemic violence. “Chauvinism” here-in refers to an irrational belief that one’s own identity makes them superior. Note that this definition essentially covers the 14 characteristics of fascism as detailed by Umberto Eco, and generalizes them. It is not a type of governance nor is it a coherent political philosophy.
I’m not afraid that I may be a fascist because I constantly analyze my own thoughts and I’m very critical of myself. I also don’t really care if you think I’m a fascist or not, because I already believe that your opinion on the matter isn’t valuable given what you’ve already said.
Now if you answer the question I already asked instead of playing this game, I’ll be happy to address the rest of your comment. So, again: What definition of fascism are you using?
Part of the the reason nobody can stand hexbear or lemmy.ml is that the minute you try to engage with them you get banned. I was banned from hexbear simply for pointing out they had a whole comment thread full of personal abuse and calls to suicide against one of our users who had the temerity to argue a point with them. Of course, their mod was being congratulated by fellow hexbear users for quickly banning that user, but they had left all the hateful personal attacks and calls to suicide intact. Then, when I suggested the moderator actually clean up the comments and do their job as a moderator, I was immediately banned too.
In their eyes you’re either with them (a tankie) or against them (a fascist/nazi) and there are no other possibilities. It’s just classic tankie authoritarianism. It’s the way they can excuse their awful, abusive behaviours towards non-tankies, because if they consider all non-tankies to be nazis, then they are simply fighting nazis, so they’ve got what’s coming to them. It’s the exact same playbook Putin is using for his invasion of Ukraine.
It’s funny how you picture this authoritarianism, and then this very thread is exactly about that : either you defederate from hexbear or you defederate from lemmy.world is the request here.
I’ve seen far far more fascists on lemmy than I’ve seen tankies BTW.
So you know maybe it’s lemmy.world that turned fascist and not lemmy.ml. Just food for thought here.
Gonna be real with you:
I think it’s a bit wild that we’re still federated with instances that engage in censorship like this and have ideals that run counter to ours in so many ways. We literally have “No tankie shit” as an instance rule, yet we still let people like this spread their echo chamber nonsense through federation. You do realize that if they’re allowed to spread their ideology freely when we aren’t, that they have an advantage? “Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth” and all that good stuff.
They have decided we aren’t worth listening to and their only reason they keep us around is to evangelize to. The fact I got an instance ban for this should be all the proof you need that discourse with these people is dead.
Personally I agree with you, and I’d be ok with defederation from hexbear. But there’s gotta be a consensus about it on dbzer0 first.
I think the issue is way bigger than hexbear, or maybe they are mask off on hexbear. But hexbear, lemmygrad and lemmy.ml can be their own little island archipelago for all I care. If this helps people not have to deal with these idiots.
Keep calling everyone fascists and trump-ets, it does not help your argument.
You see, now you’re saving the people from the evil leftist propaganda.
No just from tankies that most likely are paid propaganda and dissent posters, is all.
I think I’ve see two comments from tankies. Meanwhile I see fascists and radical liberals several times a week.