If “your man card can be revoked” then you understand that gender is performative and conditional.
For some the optionality of it is less important than the notion that if it’s performative, you can be bad at it and therefore make yourself an acceptable target for abuse, and besides that the idea that some roles can be restricted to only those with a certain set of physical characteristics is deeply ingrained in many, be that in terms gender, career, or what have you.
I understand that gender is made up and doesn’t matter. There is nothing girly or manly.
You would think that, wouldn’t you?
They be throwing man cards at people violently
In fact words all those words are a bunch of gibberish and neither the world nor reality works like that. I can just question the vague and often circular premises of that argument and we’re back to square zero.
Not against the sentiment, but you’re never going to get anywhere with that pseudoacademic bullshit.
Sooo what if a dude just decides to act like, dress like, and call themselves like a girl? Why would they not be allowed to do that? What about the laws of the universe takes away their agency to do that?
Cringe, you’re not even a good anarchist.
Is this the most terminally online possible way of saying “gender is a social construct and I’m a gender abolitionist”?
Which words are you struggling with?
I’m entirely for gender abolitionism, but you really need to find some better rhetoric. “Cope and seethe, your arguments are shit” won’t work on most people
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What makes a man?
Is it the woman in his arms?
Just 'cause she has big titties?
Or is it the way, he fights every day?
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It’s often time better to not just argue with these asshats. Waste of your time and energy while achieving less than a dog barking at a tree.
Even tho im a cishet male i can absolutely imagine how freaking annoying these people could be.
Define ‘these people’?
People who believe in strict gender roles and the inability to traverse them?
Sounds like you’re simplifying the issue just as much as they do.
It’s…not that complex. It’s a meme, not a college dissertation. Just laugh at the dumb people.
What do you mean … you people?..
It’s fucking stupid, they’re doing the same as their detractors. It’s just bullshit slinging on both sides. Of course only one side are bigoted cunts, which makes it easy to see who’s on the right side, but going just by the rhetoric on “our” side is fucking sophomoric at best.
Sorry, I thought you meant the letter U, as in the U People. I’ve been looking for them for a long time. They live underground, you see, that’s where the U comes from. They’re hard to find! But if you find one, it is tasty!
your username is giving me ptsd
Thanks, I get that a lot. The previous owner must have been quite the character haha
in case you’re not joking and actually don’t know: AwkwardTurtle was one of the most universally disliked reddit mods, she modded a vast number of popular servers, and often banned people on a whim. There were multiple dramas surrounding her
Not joking, actually unaware of this mod until I took up the username here randomly haha.
I’ve never been a mod for anything :p
Thank you! Finally getting the respect U-people deserve instead of the derogatory term many use that labels us all as not-quite-human cannibals.
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Ok but also you aren’t nonbinary just because you’re an effeminate man. They’re different things entirely
You can’t gatekeep being nonbinary. Not unless you’re prepared to define it explicitly, which will exclude many people - and not everyone will agree with your definition either.
I said just because. Not that effeminate men aren’t capable of being nonbinary, merely that it is not sufficient (or necessary for that matter). You have to like actually not identify as entirely a man.
But it’s not my place to fight I’m very much in the binary side of transness.
Whose authority says it’s not sufficient? If they say they are nonbinary, they are nonbinary.
This is a miscommunication, you two are not really in disagreement as far as I can see. If someone {presents as an effeminate man} AND {they say they’re non-binary} => {they are non-binary}. However if someone {presents as an effeminate man} AND does NOT {say they’re non-binary}… Then it’s not sufficient.
OP means “don’t assume someone is non-binary because they are an effeminate man” and not “you aren’t non-binary just because you are an effeminate man”
Except they literally said that
Their intent with the message was clearly less-than-literal. They tried to clear things up in replies but failed. I think it is quite clear that they meant no one any harm, and simply failed to convey their idea properly.
The comment itself should be edited to reflect the original intent, then. People can’t just say stupid and hyperbolic things and not be held socially accountable.
I suppose that’s possible, but the thing you say OP is not saying is literally a quote. So at best it’s worded poorly.
Nothing is anything, did people forget that these are all completely nonsense words with no connection to reality? No matter how scientific and very legal very cool semantic concepts you come up with it won’t change reality one fucking bit. Non binary… Nobody gives a FUCK, it has no correlation with ANYTHING in the Universe, it’s just another shit pseudophilosophical concept being shoved down everyone’s throat like it’s some kind of objective reality.
It’s metaphysics, and “you people” (yes, YOU PEOPLE) suck at it.
The shit you find in your belly hole while navel gazing is not worth shit.
Are you transphobic as well? I’m genuinely curious. Or does transgender count as “real” in your view because it does have a far more strict definition?
I thought they were gender abolitionist, but I… I’m not too sure anymore.
I am too tbh, I think the weird thing is enbies to me are inherently a sort of political commentary through identity on gender and our relationship to it, unless I’m just wrong.
I think the whole issue is somewhat separate from trans people who mostly are just people with a mental neurodivergence/disorder called gender dysphoria that causes them anguish and is caused by their body’s sex and their brain’s innate sense of sex don’t agree and therefore they seek medical treatments like HRT and surgeries and documentation changes to help them perceive themselves and be perceived by others as members of the target sex as much as is humanly possible.
Their political angle is to fight for access to said healthcare to be more common, available through insurance, be taken more seriously with faster wait times and be available to younger people since the effectiveness of a lot of the treatments like hormones depends on the age you start.
Conflating the two imo is kinda like commentary on attention spans relating to social media and the actual neurological disorder ADHD.
I think it’s a little “exotic” to call my existence an inherent political commentary. It’s certainly something that can be used to inform political debate, but I believe saying that it’s inherent misses the point that our existence is only political because it’s politicized
And for what it’s worth, gender dysphoria is also something experienced by nonbinary folks, but it isn’t a requirement of being trans or non-binary either. Some people just don’t experience it and requiring it as a clinical diagnosis is part of the medicalization of our and trans people’s existence as well.
I don’t really know how to finish this lol, I agree with the rest of your comment. I just wanted to correct what I feel are common misconceptions.
Then you have another person calling them trans
Yeah, the “can always tell” crowd. AKA “I don’t think this person is attractive enough to be cis.”
Idk dude I ngl I look like a long-haired Charlie Puth (to the point where different people have told me that I look like him on the same night lmao) but somehow people still get the wrong idea lol.
The scientist in me is sooo tempted by the idea of setting up a website where people have to classify pictures of cis and well-passing trans people by AGAB to really drive the point home that no, those fuckers CANNOT tell. They can usually only tell when the person in question is in the progress of medical transition which is an instance of “no shit Sherlock, why do you think we want to get this done as quickly as possible”. And yes, Enbys are a bit of a different story, but even a lot of them pass very well as the opposite of their AGAB, even though they often don’t even identify as that.
The big issue with this is that the vast majority of people making those kinds of statements are incapable of thinking rationally and instead just continue being bigots.
As an amab man with long hair and emotions that is frequently misgenedered (even with facial hair) yall are down voting something that is far too true
Oh my fucking god is that another fucking acronym that the pseudohomos came up with? No wonder people get tired of hearing it…
Jesus christ the whole planet has just gone into retard overdrive.
You seem very angry. Is everything alright in your life? I’m sorry that you’re so upset by other people being happy :(
Enjoy punching holes in your mom’s drywall.
What type of mental ginastic are they using? Lol
Men can behave girly.
This has gotta be the meme that best sums up the situation lmao
It’s funny how it only seems to be a problem in on direction. Boyish women or ‘tomboys’ are applauded in a lot of circles.
Historically less so. Even back in the 80s lots of girls i knew and thought of as tom boys. Where forced to dress and act girlie by there parents. Further back you go more limits there were.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Roosevelt_Longworth
“I can either run the country or I can attend to Alice, but I cannot possibly do both”
Chastised by some, loved by others, it depends a lot on the audience. I think overall though women have been given more a pass, pegged as ‘willfull’ or ‘impetuous’ where as with men it’s treated as a flaw that they should be shunned for.
Think of the differing ways that daddy’s girl and mamma’s boy are perceived to get to what I mean.
I will do whatever it takes to make my daughter happy and if that’s wrong I don’t want to be right.
If that means being an army dude, paint my face. If that means being a princess at a tea party, paint my nails.
Whatever she decides she wants to be, I want to be there cheering her on. If you take that attitude and try to extend it to everyone you meet you make a better world.
So what you’re saying is, it will involve being painted, no matter what?
Look man there was a wholesale offer on body paint and momma didn’t raise no quitter
Exactly. We all know that princess or army dude are the only two choices. /s
I want a daughter that wants to be a princess army dude!
Truly. Thanks for being a decent human being.
Hey that’s for real man
First half is a conservative argument (gender roles)
Second half is a liberal argument (abolish gender roles)
I once asked myself what good gender roles ever do. I have yet to find a good answer. Almost everything about it comes down to making sure certain people are classed ahead of other people.
It’s actually a Russian sponsored non issue to pit us against one another. Sadly the conservatives bought into it hardstyle because they smell money and power to be made from the controversy.
Yeah conservatives need Russia to be transphobic /s
Just can’t win with some people. And that’s ok, life isn’t about impressing everyone - anyone who tries gets exhausted real fast.
The only way to live life without pissing somebody off is by not doing anything worth doing.
And then you piss somebody off for not doing anything.
And it’s the same person arguing with OP.
Has my therapist been talking to you?
it’s designed so that you can’t win except by being and doing precisely what you’re told. this is because it’s designed by evil people and promoted by weak people.
